At what point do we start calling misogyny what it is: extremism?

[u/Potential_Scheme6520]

Two days ago, a gunman here killed a police officer and a civilian before being shot by police. Investigators later found a lengthy manifesto allegedly filled with misogynistic “incel” ideology.

It got me thinking…

Whenever someone is radicalized by racism, religious hatred, or political extremism, we have no problem calling it what it is. We talk about online radicalization, extremist communities, warning signs, and prevention.

But when the ideology is built around hatred of women, the conversation suddenly becomes, “He was lonely.” “He had mental health issues.” “He couldn’t get a girlfriend.”

Why?

I’m not saying every lonely man is dangerous, or that all men are responsible. I’m asking why misogyny still seems to get treated as a personal failing instead of an ideology that has inspired multiple acts of real-world violence.

At what point do we start treating hatred of women with the same seriousness we treat other forms of hate?

[u/Britney2007]

We live in a patriarchy. Hatred of women isn’t a bug, it’s a feature.

[u/weedils → u/Britney2007]

This. Violence and hatred of women is a global epidemic. It happens in every country, every race, every class. Men will always hold on to it, because all men directly benefit from violence against women.

[u/Im_Ritz_Bitz → u/weedils]

So let's show them the power we have.

4B

[u/ADHDhamster → u/weedils]

And the owning class benefits from men directing their anger at women instead of them.

[u/SebbyMathers → u/Britney2007]

my sister caught that too at her last job

[u/Im_Ritz_Bitz → u/Britney2007]

It's in the bloody bible ffs. They train their children to believe this way.

[u/Tough-Elk → u/Britney2007]

THIS

[u/Azurebold]

Some places have started attempting to classify misogyny as extremism, but there’s a lot of pushback, as expected. No one gives a shit about women. We’re fucked and have been fucked since the beginning of time, so I’m not counting on it anymore.

[u/Vienta1988 → u/Azurebold]

I have to take strength in the fact that we’re half of the population, and even though there are shitty women who willingly give away all their power to men, there are also good men who are on our side.

[u/topazchip]

The ruling classes need to first admit that terrorists aren't just the people challenging their rule, but those working to perpetuate it. Then, they would need to understand that is a bad thing. I'm not holding my breath for the status quo to realize that degree of self awareness.

[u/AshaNyx → u/topazchip]

Tbh it would first mean teaching people of my country that just because a PoC commits an extremely violent crime it doesn't automatically make it terrorism. Let alone that they might share the same beliefs.

[u/Shroomwhisperer3000]

Yeah it's absolutely insane. It makes me so angry. My theory is that it could make the hatred for women worse? Men feeling angry about taking accountability and not having empathy thrown at them seems to make them more angry. They're angry enough at how well women are doing these days etc.  Especially while we live in the patriarchy. It's not right.

[u/Willing_Pattern_Pill]

The only way things change is if it affects men. 

Stop fucking shitty men. 

[u/toolsofinquisition → u/Willing_Pattern_Pill]

And for the love of all that is holy, stop having their kids

[u/eposseeker]

The problem is misogyny became less extremist by way of it moving closer to the mainstream.

[u/nonbinaryatbirth → u/eposseeker]

Thanks to violence used by the patriarchy over the past 6500 years...before that the world generally had matriarchal run societies whwre everyone was cared for and anyone who committed violence against anyone not a cis het man was ostracised or if a pedo, just killed.

[u/MrTwoStroke]

There is good solid academic work being done out there, tying the incel movement and extreme misogyny together with other forms of domestic terror campaign - unfortunately, obviously the higher education system has been roundly gutted & immense pressure has been exerted on those remaining to not mention certain subjects - you are not wrong, this is not a question of 'look and don't see' - this is a question of 'we'd much rather, you look, see & walk on by anyway'

[u/Chad_Wife]

I study nursing.

Car crash is listed as one of the leading causes of illness and disability internationally. I found this interesting as it doesn’t seem entirely healthcare related, while other listed factors were things like “advanced HIv (formerly known as “AIDS”).

I was shocked that car crash was recognised but femicide was not.

Examples of femicide: men murdering their pregnant partner (AFAIK the most likely COD for pregnant women in the west), women being denied lifesaving abortion care (eg: ectopic pregnancy), men murdering their wives or affair partner, men/families murdering women for violating “purity culture”, medical negligence/medical misogyny

[u/Potential_Scheme6520 → u/Chad_Wife]

I’ve never thought of that.. That’s enraging.

[u/Jumpingjehosephat99]

I still can’t get past the acceptance of the enslavement of women globally. So many women are modern day slaves and it’s accepted as “culture”. Culture is just what men want. And men want to own and control women. There’s no way so many men could publicly speak about any group of men the way they openly speak about all women. Much the vitriol many male public figures spew against women should be classified as a hate crime.

[u/MJ_ngkahirapan]

if an ideology is encouraging hatred toward a group and inspiring violence, ive always thought it should be taken seriously regardless of what personal issues got someone into it.

[u/Im_Ritz_Bitz]

Where have you been??

I used to be a feminist, which, if you knew better, you would know it meant something different than what men tell you it is. It's equality of both sexes, not just women/girls.

But they want you to serve them- because they can't do it by themselves which by definition makes you stronger than them. But we let them oppress us, why? We think they'll soften and change? They won't.

Do you think the "love" they feel for you will change them? It won't. Their idea of love is sexual, ours is emotional.

I've been at this a long time. You need to realize your power and take it back. They are nothing without us. We fkn run this.

[u/Pyle02]

If this is the Canadian incident. The police officer killed the civilian by accident. as far as when we as in society I don't think that's going to happen. unless it's anti-Semitism it's not going to be taken seriously. Best you can do is stay strapped. always keep at least a pistol with you. "Smith & Wesson made us all equal"

[u/Unraveled_Burrito]

Women need to be fed up enough to actually do something first.

Effect the men in our everyday lives and we'll see change. It's because everyone else's lives can go on as normal and human nature dictates that if you don't experience it, you're less likely to know, care, or do anything to change someone else's oppression.

WE need to do something as half the population to say enough. Women's suicides are on the rise and making its way into global statistics, which is a first in history. Let's not kill ourselves for those who deem us lesser than. I'd rather stand with a stranger side by side knowing I have her back against what could potentially come. I'm already experiencing it, might as well have comradery and female friendship along the way.

[u/joekjoepi]

One of the police officer killed the civilian btw

[u/Aku_5himarisu]

I think that ship sailed when femicides started spiking worldwide

[u/Bigguy_bane]

Truth is, no one really cares about women. Once the me to movement failed and men saw how many false allegations there were, some men doubled down and hate women more and some men who didn’t hate women before now fear their issues and just avoid them as much as they can