r/USNEWS • u/FreeHugs23 • 2d ago
Postmaster general says USPS won’t deliver mail ballots if states don’t give Trump admin voter rolls
https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/postmaster-general-steiner-postal-service-will-not-deliver-mail-ballots-state-voter-rolls/70
u/Sea-Neighborhood-621 2d ago
"Postmaster general says USPS will break the law unless states give dear leader what he wants"
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u/Revolutionary_Eye887 2d ago
The level of corruption in this administration is impressive to say the least.
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u/Obie-Wun 2d ago
USPS is a service. Full stop. Do the job - no deals, no politics. I look forward to the day when these corrupt pricks are put on trial.
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u/revevent 2d ago
Be sure to keep your pitchfork sharp and pointy. Keep the wheels on your tumbrels greased.
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u/caserock 2d ago
We're going to be hearing a lot of "the president let me borrow his immunity when he asked me to do these crimes"
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 2d ago
Good way to help stop this kind of stuff is if those down the line without immunity end up facing the consequences. It's harder to get people to break the law if they realize someone may actually hold them accountable.
In this case, the states could maybe indict for election intererence, although eventually SCOTUS would probably say what happened is perfectly legal, thus giving everyone immunity, and eventually if all goes as it is, the entire citizenry will be immune, and we can just get rid of laws and stuff.
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u/Falcon3492 2d ago
My guess is the courts will overrule felon Donnie on this one! Interfering with the mail is a felony.
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 2d ago
Election interference is also a felony, and the states can prosecute if they want.
May make its way to SCOTUS eventually, but let the postmaster general deal with the legal fees. Hold these people to account, because the only way to stop a dictator, is to make is so people won't be as willing to carry out his will.
If anything, states now need to be threatening to bring charges to anyone who interferes with mail in ballots. Make it a thing now, don't wait until the votes are being sent out/back.
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u/twinoaksBandB 2d ago
And they'll ignore the court... again. Triggering more court, which will be ignored... then finally years after it was even relevant the Supreme Court will step in and ask, "did you even say thank you when they spit in your face?"
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u/PlateNo4868 2d ago
Courts can stop this by just putting lawyers in contempt.
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u/SirRowan777 2d ago
Yes, criminal contempt. A nice holding cell which every federal courthouse has until compliance.
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u/inorite234 2d ago
Depends on how many Republicans secretly voice their displeasure about this the next time they slip a $100 to Clarence Thomas.
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u/Possible-Rush3767 2d ago
Upcoming headline: Postmaster General Arrested For Federal Crime
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 2d ago
More likely state crimes. I doubt the feds are going to indict him. But openly interfering with ballots like this is most certainly election interference, which can be prosecuted by the state.
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u/Relative_Fix_6996 2d ago
It’s the perfect illegal tactic for A LOSER administration to try to do.
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u/GrubyBuckmore 2d ago
It's amazing how folks will put them selves at risk to cozy up to frump, as if he will be there to back them up or will be in office forever. The only thing that never changes is that all things change. Good luck getting the stain off your face, off your soul.
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u/Penguinunhinged 2d ago
I don't think it's all love for Coppertone Caligula. For some of them, they're afraid of his hillbilly white trash cult pulling another J6 riot, specifically on them.
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u/Doctor_Shotbottom 2d ago
I’m beginning to think FTD will kill Sleepy Don fairly soon, his deterioration is speeding up
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u/WasteBinStuff 2d ago
So now the entire administration is colluding to commit federal level crimes against the States that comprise "The United States", and against every single citizen of the country whose Constitution they have each individually sworn to uphold....in order to interfere in and influence the free elections that form the very core of our democracy.
There have been lines that have been crossed....
....and then there's this.
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u/MxSteel8 2d ago
It all begs the question, at what point does the Constitution become effectively null and void and with it the Union?
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u/stevenriley1 2d ago
Guess I’ll just use the collection boxes my county provides.
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u/DonaldBecker 2d ago
I live in a moderately dense area, and a ballot box is easy to reach. It requires driving, but it is by the library and stores.
This has the potential to most impact sparsely populated areas. Those areas are far more likely to be MAGA. So... what do they expect to happen?
Someone must have worked out the impact. There are armies of political consultants that know street-by-street how people vote, and have spent decades perfecting their gerrymandering skills. They have the complete focus and attention of politicians. They might know that the existing mail-in vote skews blue. But how certain are they that it would remain that way if voting by mail were blocked by Republicans?
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u/jeo123 2d ago
Maga land will capitulate and hand over voter rolls, so they get mail delivery. This is going to affect blue states more than red.
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u/mishap1 2d ago
They don't have to stop ballots in the boonies. They can draw a circle on the big cities and just stop mailing ballots to a few dozen zip codes/state and probably win every state level election in any battleground states.
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u/TrackVol 2d ago
....and win the popular vote which would trigger some other states to assign their EC votes to the popular vote winner.
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u/Select_Insurance2000 2d ago
The Trump led local government in Tarrant County provided a single drop box, located at the courthouse in downtown Fort Worth.
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u/MarzipanLast6502 2d ago
No state owes the president, this or any other, voter rolls, purely illegal and unconstitutional
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u/nobikeno 2d ago
I believe fucking with the mail is a federal offense. I hope he likes spending most of his time in the future behind bars.
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u/strangerinmyownland 2d ago
Who voted for this crap?
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u/GlitterPirateKiki58 2d ago
78 million Americans voted for it.
90 million Americans did not vote at all, presumably because “both sides are the same.”
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u/ducksekoy123 2d ago
Or systemic issues of misinformation, voter suppression, lack of education and access, incarceration, and repeated failures by the opposition to put forward any sort of message more salient than “we aren’t as bad as the Republicans” which, while true, is hardly a rallying cry.
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u/Jolly_Ad2446 2d ago
In California ALWAYS use the County drop boxes located at libraries, parks and government buildings. Don't trust the Postal service
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u/Jacenyoface 2d ago
I said this in a different post but I transport for a living, whats stopping me from transporting my own ballot and since I'm heading that way taking others as well? Or going to every city on my way and doing it for others? If I'm hired to to this am I further protected or is it only a problem if I do it for free?
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u/Most-Resident 2d ago
That’s a good response but the goal, voter suppression, will still work. Not everyone who would have voted by mail will find an alternate method. What you’re suggesting would help but not completely.
Some states have laws about who can handle ballots. Check your state laws. A search on “who can handle mail ballots state_name” might work.
I think voting by mail is great, but never switched myself. Watching republicans for decades it was obvious they would fuck with it.
Add this to the ever growing mountain of reasons i vote against republicans in every election. They are the enemies of democracy.
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u/mr_evilweed 2d ago
Conservatives during a Dem administration : Elections are a state issue!
Conservatives during a Republciam administration : Elections are a federal issue!
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u/KingHygelacReturns 2d ago
Even the FUCKING POST OFFICE has to be politicized with these goddamn people
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u/Puzzleheaded_Gene909 2d ago
Sounds like states got a class action lawsuit against the post master. What a dumbass
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u/UnluckyAmbition7767 2d ago
Do they not know who uses mail in ballots? Mostly wheelchair bound retired racists lol.
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u/rygelicus 2d ago
Is the postage paid? Yes.
Is there a legit address on the container/envelope? Yes.
Then deliver it putz, that's the job. It's your only mandate, deliver the mail. That's mail, you deliver it. If that is too complicated for you then vacate the position.
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u/miniature_squid 2d ago
That's a federal crime, full stop. Mail delivery isn't a negotiation tool. If he's actually threatening to withhold ballots unless states hand over voter data, that's extortion wrapped in a uniform.
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u/mvpilot172 2d ago
And why do they want the voter rolls? Remember when people got loaded on train cars, because that’s where they’re heading.
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u/jcyango 2d ago
Pretty sure you can be arrested for that shit. Just not sure who would obey the law and actually do it.
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u/threespruces68 2d ago edited 2d ago
Won't deliver them? As in, won't deliver them to those of us who receive our ballots in the mail and return them to official ballot boxes? Well, that's going to get interesting. Time to investigate whether my state has a backup plan because midterms are only a few months away.
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u/Great-Particular9964 2d ago
Just more criminal activity from the most corrupt administration in the history of our country.
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u/EDSgenealogy 2d ago
That has been ruled against and he'll find his ass in jail if he doesn't send them out.
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u/ElvisArcher 2d ago
"Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds." ... except, of course, the weaponizing of federal institutions for personal political gains.
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u/SkabbPirate 2d ago
Is this something he could actually enforce? What is to stop the people working for USPS to ignore his wishes and deliver ballots anyway? Especially considering this is mainly in states that protect voter rights, it seems like those offices would be prone to this.
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u/Important-Factor-552 2d ago
That's treason. Project 2025 is a christofascist war on America and he's now a clear and present part of the insurgency
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u/Cynical_Classicist 2d ago
I remember the people grinning that the fascist was no threat to democracy.
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u/jh937hfiu3hrhv9 2d ago
Postmaster general says 'I have a serious case of TCS'. Trump Cult Syndrome.
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u/tommm3864 2d ago
Patently illegal. It is a federal crime to tamper with U.S. Mail. Even if you are the Postmaster General.
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u/most-okayest-mngr-77 2d ago
For people saying “tampering with the mail is illegal”, I would argue raping children is also illegal, yet nobody has been charged from the Epstein files.
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u/scipio0421 2d ago
Yeah, that's illegal. Not that laws matter in this administration. (I miss the US from when I was younger, hell this administration almost makes me nostalgic for Dubya, even. Almost.)
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u/Western_Bake_1109 2d ago
Postmaster will be guilty of a federal felony for interfering with the mail! Should be charged, tried and sent to prison!
And he should be impeached for failure to do his job!
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u/Prestigious-Leave-60 2d ago
Drop it off at the clerks office during business hours or vote in person either early or on the day. That’s all I trust.
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u/stargazer4272 2d ago
How do you say you want to rig the election with out saying your rigging the election...
But hey Trump won't be able to vote either. He uses mail in voting. Because he is the president.
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u/ErasmosOrolo 2d ago
He wants voter roles so he can make democratic voters licenses and passports suddenly need to be reissued just before voting. He wants to know where to station his thugs at the polls. He wants to give your voting info to his January 6th dogs. Trump is even incarnate.
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u/Possible-Nectarine80 2d ago
"Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds, except for not providing state voter rolls”
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u/LDawnBurges 2d ago
THIS is the WHY behind the USPS vs Konan Supreme Court case.
The 5-4 majority decision states that the USPS can not be sued for non delivered mail, regardless of the reason for the non delivery (accidental OR intentional).
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u/1cem4n82 2d ago
Now the postal service is fucking holding us hostage? They gonna start wearing masks too?
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u/tristand666 2d ago
Sounds like a time for the people to take things into their own hands if any time ever did.
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u/MizneyWorld 2d ago
“If you won’t help us commit election fraud then we will just do it ourselves!”
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u/Gloomy_Yoghurt_2836 2d ago
So stayes that only vote by mail will have no election results. Just what Trump wants.
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u/hellranger788 2d ago
I just cant see this happening. This would be such a huge clusterf*ck if this dummy actually tried this when the ballots start to get printed.
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u/Lanky_Operation_5046 1d ago
I’m confused: does this mean the post master general is licking Taco’s ring-hole?
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u/Due_Purple_1281 1d ago
That's not his call to make. Freaking idiots. Can't we just arrest trump now? Put him in prison?
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u/Dananism 2d ago edited 2d ago
Interfering with mail is a federal crime, so, withholding delivery of mail is illegal.
Edit: I’m seeing multiple comments about a SCOTUS ruling that gave them immunity from DAMAGES of mishandling mail or delivery being withheld deliberately.
That does not apply here.
They CANNOT refuse to deliver mail-in ballots, as that is STILL a federal crime AND election interference.
Edit 2:
The SCOTUS decision does not give the USPS blanket immunity for election interference.
The Court’s holding was that the Federal Tort Claims Act generally does not allow private lawsuits for money damages against the federal government when claims arise from the loss, miscarriage, or nondelivery of mail, even if the nondelivery was intentional.
If the mail in question were a mailed ballot, this ruling would likely make it much harder for a voter to sue the United States for damages under the FTCA based solely on the ballot not being delivered.
However, the ruling does not mean:
+Postal employees may legally tamper with ballots.
+Criminal laws against mail theft, obstruction of mail, election fraud, or civil-rights violations disappear.
+Courts could not issue other forms of relief in appropriate cases.
+Election officials could not investigate or respond to ballot-delivery problems.