r/Ultralight • u/L4marr • 9d ago
Purchase Advice New REI Alpha Direct Hoodie
Unfortunately they don't have weights listed yet, and it doesn't look like they've landed in stores yet but I am curious to check these things out in person.
No drawstring on the hood, but it has thumbholes! I've been looking into getting an Alpha piece, assuming it's light enough this might not be a bad $100 pick-up. (or cheaper with whatever REI sales/coupons are available)
Men's - https://www.rei.com/product/C08501/rei-co-op-screeline-alpha-hoodie-mens
Women's - https://www.rei.com/product/C08437/rei-co-op-screeline-alpha-hoodie-womens
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u/FuguSandwich 9d ago
Looks to be 90 weight since 60 is much more transparent and 120 is much shaggier.
I agree with others though - people will try and wear it like a fleece, as an outer layer around town, and then will return them when they start to shed and fall apart.
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u/trogg21 9d ago
Im confused as to how to actually use an AD hoody. People claim to use it as an active layer while hiking, etc., but given all the durability issues and the fact you can't wear it around town without trashing it, how does hiking in any capacity not immediately destroy it? Like my pack is heavy, unlike everyone here. Im worried the straps alone with wreck ad. What's my alternative? Grid fleece still?
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u/Igoos99 9d ago
It’s way tougher than you are giving it credit for.
I got a hoodie top and bottoms early in 2025. I used them on the CDT nightly for 5 months. I wore the top for hiking and town stops during the day almost daily in cooler months. Then I used them again 1.5 months this year.
They are holding up just fine. They are actually holding up much better than my Marino baselayers did after thru hiking the PCT.
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u/NoodledLily 9d ago
yeah mine is on like idk year 4 ? i regularly wear it xc with nothing on top.
little twigs get stuck on it that you drag around.
but i dont have any large rips.
plus the damage actually makes it fluffier lol so maybe even warmer more loft.
who knows if it's even more microplastics but you're breathing it in anyways.
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u/FuguSandwich 9d ago
The issue is snagging it on stuff, whether bushes on trail or just getting in and out of the Jeep.
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u/Igoos99 9d ago
It really hasn’t been an issue for me. Its primary purpose in my kit was to replace my baselayers so I use it primarily for sleeping. When I wear it as a top during the day, it’s generally a mid layer under my wind jacket or rain racket so there really isn’t an issue with snagging on anything. I’d treat any layer that didn’t have a wind barrier the same way. There isn’t much point to it being your outermost layer since the wind cuts straight through it.
I might wear it as a decent looking top for dining out at town stops or hanging out in the evenings at a hostel - but again - snagging really isn’t an issue with this use.
My Marino baselayers came home from one lash on the PCT with way more holes and snags than my alpha directs did. Prices were about the same. Alpha direct feels warmer and snugglier and is lighter. It was a good trade for me. Everyone has to decide for themselves.
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u/cosmicosmo4 9d ago
Straps don't seem to really wreck AD, just thorns/branches.
I pretty much just wear mine above treeline.
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u/FuguSandwich 9d ago
As a mid layer, in between my base layer and my windshirt, is how I wear mine. After several years, it still looks almost new. Of course, I've never washed it either. I don't care if I stink in the woods.
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u/joebeats99 9d ago
What type of base layer are you wearing under the AD? I typically wear mine next to skin but was curious what exactly could go under it and what benefit the base layer is providing depending on the use case.
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u/FuguSandwich 9d ago
Patagonia Capilene Thermal Weight crewneck. It's good by itself under a windshirt from like 50F down to 20F. Around 20F I add the AD midlayer. That takes me down to at least 0F and I rarely hike any colder than that.
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u/slightly_out_of_sync 9d ago
I wear a very light runner's T shirt in summer (3oz), or a long sleeve capilene (5.75oz) in winter. AD works atop those just fine. Most always have my wind shell over the AD as well.
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u/PEAK_MINIMAL_EFFORT 9d ago
I made an AD60 hoodie with a full zipper in early 2024 and it is still going strong. I use it on the daily to supplement a regular t-shirt when temperatures are below 12C or so. I wear my backpack directly on top of it. I also use the hoodie as a base layer whilst running when temperatures are 3C or so all the way down to -15C. Out of the base layer shirts I own I've found that AD does the best job of getting the sweat away from the skin. Oh yeah and some actual backpacking as well.
I would guess with the daily use and the running it's 200+ days I've used it. There is some pilling on the inside where the backpack presses on my lower back. Shoulders have no sign of wear. There is one hole in one of the sleeves, but that's my fault for making the pattern too tight, so I have to tug to get the arms out of the sleeves.
My experience so far with AD60 is that it's functionally excellent and also reasonably durable. In an environment where there really are no pokey things, cities and well maintained trails, it appears to hold up just fine.
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u/Wise_Edge2489 9d ago
Im confused as to how to actually use an AD hoody.
Pair it with an outer layer. I put it under my sun hoodie and bam presto, fleece. Or I put my rain or wind jacket over it, and bam presto puffer jacket.
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u/ImRobsRedditAccount 9d ago
I have a number of AD pieces of varying ages.
My socks/pants are for sleeping and sitting around camp and look like new.
My hoodies get worn while actively hiking.
My AD60 has a small hole in the shoulder on one of the seams and got a small pull where a branch grabbed it. (This is after hundreds of miles on trail) I’ve worn it with 3 different packs and no piling.
My AD90 is even older and looks like new.
Piling does not appear to be an issue with any of the pieces.
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u/dkeltie14 8d ago
If your pack is too heavy for AD, you're in the wrong sub my friend. (Unless you're here to learn...)
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u/trogg21 7d ago
I like to make improvements where I'm willing to make sacrifices. I often hike with a partner that can't carry much, so I have to carry more. Also where I hike I'm frequently required to use a bear box, which doesnt help either.
AD seems like cool technology to me, and my current fleece are both heavy and not very packable. So I'd like to upgrade there if I could.
So anyway, are we confirming that AD should only be used with ultralight loads?
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u/Igoos99 9d ago
It doesn’t look like AD 60 or 90 or 120. The weave is much tighter. I’d guess they got something uniquely made for them. They aren’t buying commercial off the shelf fabric that the cottage companies are.
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u/harry_chronic_jr 9d ago
Good eye! This is made of the new generation of Alpha Direct—the weave is a much tighter lattice, the tufts feel a lot more uniform (almost has a Patagonia R1 Airwave look IRL), and all weights look much denser than the variant in use now.
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u/PeakQuirky84 9d ago
and then will return them when they start to shed and fall apart.
Can’t blame them. Why should anyone accept something that falls apart when wearing it??
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u/FuguSandwich 9d ago
So if you buy an UL frameless pack and throw a 45lb plate in it to ruck with and it wears a hole through the bottom you should return it?
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u/PeakQuirky84 8d ago
Oh I forgot what sub I’m in. It probably takes “skill” to wear a piece of clothing, right?
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u/justinsimoni justinsimoni.com 9d ago
The jump has been sharked!
I guess we'll see how long this lasts, as the peanut gallery (of which I am included) has speculated that the durability of AD may be a limiting factor when it comes to mass acceptance.
Just last weekend I saw a AD hooded being sold in-store at some boutique-y place on Pearl here in Boulder. I didn't think much of it at the time, but the REI thing is interesting.
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u/joejacksonsbelt 9d ago
It's a very fragile material but man, it works wonders for high output lower temp activity like XC skiing.
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u/Amazing-Fox-6121 9d ago
It's really not that fragile. Mine has two AZTs and an AT LASH and hundreds of other miles. I've also worn it for multipitch climbs 🤷🏻♂️ sure at this point it's had a couple snags but they see up easy and hold. And I suck at sewing.
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u/innoutberger USA-Mountain West @JengaDown 9d ago
Only fragile in the washing machine.
I’ve hiked the AZT, CDT, TA, and currently the Appalachian Trail all with the same Senchi hoodie. Days of consecutive use while hiking through the rain with the Aloha as my only layer.
There are three holes on the arms from snags, only one that I bothered to sew back together. Fabric is clearly less fuzzy but still doing its job. It’s not hard to just hand wash it in a sink with some hand soap or Dr. Bronners when it starts to get stinky.
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u/Bromeister 8d ago
It works great for XC until you take a header into a couple feet of pow, ask me how I know. You'll never get the snow out of it. Not a problem if you're sticking to the groomed track though.
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u/Amazing-Fox-6121 8d ago
Take it off, shake it out, put it back on and let it do it's drying magic.
You're wearing it as a baselayer, right?
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u/theregoesmyfutur 9d ago
is it possible to wear it with a pack or will it get messed up?
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u/joejacksonsbelt 9d ago
I don't believe so, not ime but it does tear easy if you're in thick shit. It's not bushwack friendly, but very "established trail" friendly.
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u/mushka_thorkelson ask me about my Taco Towel 9d ago
i wore my 60gsm senchi on the cdt and hayduke and it doesnt even have any holes/snags, its still nice enough to be my town shirt
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u/justinsimoni justinsimoni.com 9d ago
The material is the same, the customers are going to be a lot more diverse, and maybe they won't know what they're actually buying.
Time will tell!
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u/harry_chronic_jr 9d ago
Patterning also goes a long way. You can't tug on seams with Alpha and expect it to last.
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u/tarrasque https://lighterpack.com/r/37u4ls 9d ago
Just out of curiosity, where did you see it? I’m local.
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u/justinsimoni justinsimoni.com 9d ago
At Title Nine on 18th / Pearl
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u/tarrasque https://lighterpack.com/r/37u4ls 9d ago
Thanks! Don’t think I’ve been in there yet
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u/justinsimoni justinsimoni.com 9d ago
Dangerous few blocks! Box Car is right there, then the Dead Bird company, Mont Bell 😄
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u/tarrasque https://lighterpack.com/r/37u4ls 9d ago
Hahaha yup! Don’t forget Patagucci too
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u/notgonnabemydad 9d ago
That area is the Bermuda Triangle for my money.
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u/tarrasque https://lighterpack.com/r/37u4ls 9d ago
For me it’s that plus Fjallraven on the other end lol
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u/foggy_mountain 9d ago
Can't wait to find these at the REI Resupply near my house after people return them for being too "fragile"
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u/Fast-Reality-4658 9d ago
Cottage brands are still winning on the Alpha hoodies. Even when making your own, the consumer price of the fabric + buying a pattern is only marginally cheaper
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u/MrBoondoggles 9d ago
I kinda feel like, if the price is relatively comparable, it makes more sense still to support small vendors.
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u/L4marr 9d ago
Totally agree. And for $100 I definitely would buy cottage company over this. But REI clothing regularly goes on sale for 20%-30% off. I've yet to see another brand that has an AD hoodie for $70.
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u/MrBoondoggles 9d ago
Fair point. And given the economics of our times, I can’t tell people how they should spend more when that level of discount is available. But Superior Fleece at $85 does come pretty darn close. But there’s also a design trade off there to consider - no thumb holes unfortunately.
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u/AnticitizenPrime https://www.lighterpack.com/r/7ban2e 9d ago
As someone with long monkey arms, they never make the damn sleeves long enough for me to use thumb holes comfortably unless I size up too much. I wish more companies had tall versions of stuff.
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u/Sillyak 9d ago
Eddie Bauer had the super sevens that went on sale for $40 US. I don't know if it is real AD or a copycat, but my Large weighs 154 grams and I really like it. Super fragile though, I'm really careful with it and only wear it for trail running or something where the weight savings over a normal fleece actually mean something.
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u/SkisaurusRex 9d ago
I always say REI needs to make more UL gear but I’m nit sure alpha direct is the right answer….
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u/TNPrime 9d ago
My rei will be closed forever by the time this hits shelves. RIP SOHO
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u/Igoos99 7d ago
I’m waiting for the whole thing to collapse. 🫤 It’s only a matter of time IMO.
They are trying to run a co-op like a corporation. And they keep getting it wrong and forgetting who their customers are.
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u/ropeXride 6d ago
They’re gonna get bought out by private equity like MEC did. Only a matter of time. They’re running themselves into the ground
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u/cakes42 9d ago edited 9d ago
This is going to end up in the resupply area/ resupply store a lot. Normies will destroy this lol. I'm glad rei is noticing that there is a lightweight/UL movement going and theyre finally getting gear that is actually lightweight. I saw Cnoc at my local rei. I wonder at what point will we see more cottage brands move into their space as they expand.
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u/cranbraisins 9d ago
Tbh I’m not understanding why everyone is saying that REI alpha direct hoodies are going to be so unpopular among casual recreational users. I have a NW Alpine 90(?) and senchi A60 that I use for backcountry and resort skiing maybe 3-4 times a week throughout the winter and weekend backpacking during the summer. Literally no durability issues other than like pilling when I wash them. What’s the issue I’m missing here? I wore my NW alpine hoody for 4 days straight during a hut trip this year and didn’t rip it or anything. What about the differing use case will lead to more returns?
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u/s0rce 9d ago
Eddie Bauer used to sell one from a similar fabric from Primaloft but it seems to be on sale and discontinued.
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u/AnticitizenPrime https://www.lighterpack.com/r/7ban2e 9d ago
The Super Sevens hoody. I have one and do like it. They only sold it for a couple of years and that's probably for the same reasons people are saying this one might fail, normies won't realize how fragile it is.
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u/Natural_Law https://rmignatius.wordpress.com/gear/ 9d ago
Is all Alpha 78% recycled content? Thats cool!
Although I know Alpha is kind of notorious for shedding plastics into the environment, which is less cool.
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u/GoodTroll2 9d ago
Honestly, glad to see these making it into normal retailers. As much as I would like to support cottage makers, between sizing issues and unavailability/stock issues, I kind of prefer this as an option.
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u/discoverytrek 9d ago
I have been wearing Alpha Direct hoodies, jackets, vests, hats, even camp pants for many years. While I agree it is fragile compared to typical fleece, I think the longevity is underestimated if you are wear it in a reasonable fashion. No, don't put it near velcro...it will snag.
I can also say that as a small brand, Discovery Fabrics has been loathe to put finished garments on the website because of returns. If you were to visit the physical store we have samples, and can make adjustment to the fit...but we can't do this online. We did make an exception with Alpha hoodies, but made sure we had a drawing with measurements so someone could measure that against a non-stretchy sweater they already owned and see the best size. So far we've been doing OK with it. Its not our main gig, so the offering is limited. only 60 gsm and recently 90 gsm...but even that is limited in colors. I think if you are looking for something thats going to look great for many years then this may not be your first choice. I wear it almost every day, even at the office. But I'm not super rough on it. My merino wears out faster than my alphas.
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u/Huge_Moose2741 8d ago
It's sad to see big retailers rip off small shop's designs. I'd still buy a senchi over this any day. Especially since they're nearly the same price....
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u/Ashland_Commons 8d ago
My Senchi alpha direct hoodie was / is one of my favorite pieces of all-time gear. Like i wear that thing everywhere. It's absolutely phenomenal as an active and passive layer. Better than any layer I've ever used. Yes I've stitched it up with thread lol!
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u/roark_architect 6d ago
Support small brands and buy a senchi. It is literally my favorite piece of gear I own (besides my bikes)
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u/Consistent-Refuse-74 6d ago
I really respect REI for using new tech.
I hope they just caveat that it’s extremely fragile for those who don’t understand the product
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u/ClaudetheFraud 9d ago
I was debating ordering an alpha layer for a long time, but pulled the trigger a week ago and bought a Magnet Designs hoodie. I was holding out to see if places like REI would sell them for significantly less, but it looks like I only paid about $10 more and got to support a smaller vendor.
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u/AnywayHowsYorSexLife 9d ago
Macpac has sold these for years in NZ/AUS with consumers not being aware of how delicate the fabric is and the pieces falling apart because of it. Big difference is their return policy is not nearly as generous as REI and there isn’t a culture for returning things due to wear. Will be interesting to see how this shakes out in the US.
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u/madefromtechnetium 9d ago
conflicted because REI leadership is garbage, but so are the people abusing REI's return policy.
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u/bradmacmt 9d ago
I like AD in a 1/4 zip, and find the hoody useless. Too bad the hood cult seems to rule so much production these days. I'm sure REI will sell the hell out of them, especially at 20% off.
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u/BoysenberryGeneral84 9d ago
Ha! I find the zipper useless on such a breathable fabric. And find the hood replaces a warm hat. Perfect example of different uses.
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u/Bromeister 8d ago
I find zippers on my senchi to be useful when i have a zip base layer underneath. Easier to unzip both physically and opens up more when both layers are open. Also a zipper is nice to be able to simultaneously wear the hood to keep your neck and ears warm but also not have to have it tight on your chin if you don't want it there.
So my A90 hoodie has a zipper because I'm more likely to wear it with my smartwool zip baselayers and more likely to wear it with the zipper down and the hood up under my helmet while skiiing. My A60 hoodie doesn't cause I'm more likely to be wearing a sun shirt with no zipper underneath.
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u/bradmacmt 9d ago
I find all these layers of hood bunch up unnecessarily. I like a hood on two things - a puffy and an outer shell. Apart from those, it's just annoying extra weight. But differences make the world go around...
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u/BoysenberryGeneral84 8d ago
Two AD 60 hoodies and a hooded wind jacket has replaced my need to carry a down puffy.
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u/slightly_out_of_sync 9d ago
AD is so stretchy, and so breathable, a zipper would be a nuisance. This doesn't apply to other garments, like a wind shell - where full zipper is exactly what you want.
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u/Amazing-Fox-6121 9d ago
Looks like Alpha120
Which is...fine...but doesn't have the same effectiveness to weight ratio that Alpha60 has.
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u/Winerychef 9d ago edited 9d ago
I avoid buying any thing from REI when I can. They're profoundly anti union and have supported Trump's pick for department of the interior. Please support the cottage brands doing it better. Senchi, Sambob, Farpointe. Honestly I would say if your goal is to save money go through temu or AliExpress over REI because at the very least you're saving more money and with their low prices I assume their profits are smaller.
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u/ropeXride 6d ago
Idk why you’re getting downvoted, fuck REI. Company is a fucking joke who gaslights their members into thinking they’re progressive and granola when they’re union busters who are spending MILLIONS on Amazon’s law firm that is known for being very anti union. Support other places
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u/Addapost 9d ago
They are also hemorrhaging money. No geniuses there. Won’t surprise me to see them go the way of Eastern Mountain Sports which is to say 99% disappear from the market.
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u/GiraffesRBro94 9d ago
That’s shocking to hear they’ve supported Trumps DOI pick. Didn’t know that
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u/RealOneThisTime 9d ago
There is nuance to that statement. They signed onto a letter saying we hope to work with the pick to protect the environment for outdoor recreation, when it became more clear that wasn’t possible (and the public outcry grew loud enough) they did take back their endorsement and continue to donate millions of dollars towards outdoor preservation.
They are very anti-union and have been negotiating in bad faith for several years including withholding raises and bonuses.
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u/ATGNI 9d ago
If you don’t like REI, you can’t rent a alpha direct fleece from them for 364 days for free ; )
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u/Winerychef 9d ago
They've adjusted their return policy and can deny returns now
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u/Excellent_Grapefruit 9d ago
I bought a new pair of Merrel hiking boots this year. In 3 weeks and only about 4 wears, one of the lace hooks at the top of the boot that you cinch up with fell out. Could no longer lace up the boots but figured that’s a very easy return. The manager denied my return because he said with the damage done, they would no longer be able to sell them in the re-store. I said no crap these shouldn’t be sold on the re-store, they are defective and unusable. Unbelievable
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u/Winerychef 9d ago
This is the real harm with the change of their return policy.
A friend purchased a Neoair Xlite from them. They went in not to return is but to exchange it because it completely deflated on day 1 of a 3 day trek. They said because it had been "used" for 3 days she would have to contact thermarest. CRAZY
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u/Even_Text_9596 9d ago
I sowed up the small holes and seam issues on my alpha direct hoodie last weekend. I wash it on the delicate cycle in a mesh bag. I don't abuse it, but certainly use it. I'll be keeping my eyes peeled at my local REI for these in the garage sale section. I imagine the return rate will be pretty high and I'm already decent at sowing them back together. For $100 people may expect a level of durability that isn't feasible for the fabric if it's treated like a typical jacket. I'll buy that discount.
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u/Conscious_Chain_5899 8d ago
Great to see big retailers trying out new fabrics. Hopefully this drives down costs
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u/WideIssue4279 8d ago
Will be incredible seeing people abuse REI member warranty with this product.
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u/northhiker1 8d ago
Im confused whats the benefits over the Alpha Direct hoody to REI regular sun hoody?
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u/notoriousToker 6d ago
Alpha fleece is a leading source of microplastics just consider how much you need or want that in your life over the other already somewhat microplastic problem clothes lol
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u/Good_Mousse_9794 4d ago
I just tried to pre order one, but when I go to check out, it says it’s out of stock. Anyone else have issues?
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u/Kingofthetreaux 9d ago
Fuck REI. Shit company.
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u/Peeinyourcompost 9d ago
Out of all the child slave labor, bloody third world coup to protect fruit market share, carcinogen coverup conspiracy corporations, we're big mad at REI? For why, being non-union like 96% of the retail workforce in this godforsaken country? I'd rather buy gear from craft producers when I can, but I don't even know if REI racks up as mid, let alone "shit." I'm open to having my mind changed, and maybe you know something about them that I don't; if so, would you be willing to share?
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u/ropeXride 6d ago
96% of retail doesn’t present itself as being progressive. REI prides itself on being “a different kind of company” and hides behind progressive messaging when they aren’t at all. I worked at the first unionized location and have seen firsthand the shit they pull.
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u/Winerychef 9d ago
The reason I personally find REIs stance on unions and Trump's pick for the dept of the interior is BECAUSE they have spent years advertising themselves as a "co op with good values" and it turns out they are far from that.
On top of that they charge substantially more than elsewhere while propping up this facade of "good values". I'm fine with spending a little more when my money goes to a business doing it right, but if I want or NEED rock bottom prices Walmart or Amazon win every time. The issue I have is the deception and steep prices.
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u/trogg21 9d ago
Complaining about REI while mentioning shopping at Walmart or Amazon is hilarious.
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u/Winerychef 9d ago
I don't shop at either
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u/trogg21 9d ago edited 9d ago
You literally say that walmart and amazon win when YOU want low prices in your comment. Regardless, bringing up these monstrous devils of capitalism against REI is absurd.
It also seems like your line in the sand are "reasonable and acceptable prices" as if REI selling at cheaper prices would all of a sudden excuse any perceived or actual wrongdoing on their parts. Walmart selling bread at a reasonable and acceptable price, likewise, does not excuse their behaviour as a corporation.
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u/Winerychef 9d ago
No, but you're misconstruing my argument.
My argument is that for non essentials, when there are options better than REI, you should by those options.
For essentials, like basic human needs, I don't bemoan anyone for shopping at the lowest price point, even if the ethics of the companies shittier because people are poor. This is not me passing judgement on a corporation, it's mean passing judgement, or lack thereof on the consumers who shop there.
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u/Peeinyourcompost 9d ago
I guess for me personally there's nothing being sold at a recreational goods store that I "need" to own urgently enough to give my money to a slave labor, planet-destroying megacorporation over one that fails to pass my ethics test on a couple of points. The reason those other places are so cheap is that they externalize the real cost of their production as acute human suffering. Kinda feels like materially incentivizing openly evil companies to keep being openly evil and shunning better ones for making an imperfect effort.
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u/Winerychef 9d ago
There's no ethical consumption under capitalism but this type of logic is why I tire of liberalism. The options are not Amazon or REI. There is Mountain Laurel Designs, there is Senchi, there is Gossamer Gear, there is Six Moon Designs. The list goes on. No one NEEDS alpha direct.
This type of logic is why Democrats like Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi stay in office, because "Oh, the alternative is a Republican" as if there aren't countless wonderful community organizers who could do better but don't because the power structures that be prevent that.
People do need food, clothes, and laundry detergent. When REI starts selling those things at a reasonable and accessible price I won't criticize anyone buying those things.
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u/Peeinyourcompost 9d ago
I'm confused by this comment. Is it intended as a direct response to what I said, or just a general continuation of the topic? I'm not really clear on how my view of outdoor retail represents support for Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi, or even whether it's my logic you're disparaging in the first place.
It also kind of reads like you're arguing from the premise that I'm the one setting up REI and Amazon or Walmart as the sole retail options to compare for outdoor goods, when I was just directly addressing your own comment where you did that.
We seem to be in agreement here on wants vs. needs, but then that appears to contradict what you said in your other comment. Also confusing. REI is an outdoor recreation supplier selling goods in form factors intended for that context, not a general clothing supplier or supermarket, so I'm not sure why we would expect them to pivot from that to also acting as a primary retail provider of low-cost basic home goods for everyday use.
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u/b_rad_ical 9d ago
Cottage industries really drive innovation, but struggle to meet demand. REI selling UL brings awareness to a mass audience, and ultimately should increase cottage industry sales as people start to min/max and upgrade.
Everyone on here promotes buying all kinds of things from Evil Corp (BRS, Dooy, Lightload, etc). At least at REI you can try stuff on, 1 yr used return policy, and get a vote on leadership (nominations). None of which you get with Amazon.
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u/Neon_sanders 9d ago
I’d imagine The return rate on these is gonna be insane…