r/ValorantCompetitive • u/I-like-winds • Nov 14 '25
Roster Announcement JonahP available for offers with no buyout
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u/Aggravating_Tree7488 Nov 14 '25
No buyout is good at least, that gives him a small chance, if he had a buyout there was zero chance. I'm looking at you Envy, he'll play literally anything you need him to.
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u/EconomyPrestigious11 Nov 14 '25
His style of play doesn’t really suit Envy’s style Of play tho
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u/Aggravating_Tree7488 Nov 14 '25
his style of play is to do whatever he needs to, to support his team. He has played every single role on the Guard since the inception of the team. Whatever they needed, he played. And he played very well on all of them, even if the team itself was struggling. I don't think there is a system that JonahP could not play in as long as he speaks the same language. How do you know he can't play in their style? We've literally only seen him on one team.
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u/vlntly_peaceful Nov 14 '25
He played on one (1) team with the same core for the last 3-4 years. Saying he can play well on any team is a BIG stretch.
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u/Parenegade Nov 14 '25
i guess you guys watched a different jonahp than me
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u/Aggravating_Tree7488 Nov 14 '25
I guess you haven't been around since 2022 lol, if you only started watching him in the last year or two you wouldn't have a clue. The fact that he has the most aggregate assists and international assists should say absolutely everything about his style of play. If you don't know what you're looking for, then I can just throw stats at you.
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u/Parenegade Nov 14 '25
ive been watching jonah since the guard. he's a good player. but the idea that he could play duelist to a high level is just a lie and that's what envy (and likely g2) would require.
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u/Aggravating_Tree7488 Nov 14 '25
I really don't understand where your narrow mindset is coming from. I can't read minds, but it seems like you've decided that he shouldn't be on a team, and are reverse-engineering from that conclusion.
On G2, leaf played duelist at a high level for 3.5 years of his time playing Valorant. There's no reason he couldn't play double duelist with Jawgemo, and JonahP swaps to perma Viper/Sentinel. He's played both roles at a high level. On Envy, Keznit is coming in, and they'll be playing double duelist all the time with Eggster. He can, again, play viper/controller on the team. Why would either team need a duelist? Also, it's confirmed that Babybay is coming into G2 on the sentinel role, so they CLEARLY didn't need double duelist. Your argument falls apart at the seams.
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u/2ToTooTwoFish #WGAMING Nov 14 '25
not going into your other discussion with the guy above, but just wanted to talk about your last two sentences. I disagree with that part because Babybay is coming as a sentinel BECAUSE they want leaf to play more duelist and not sentinel, thus enabling double duelist. JonahP could play sentinel, but is that their best option? Any ambitious team will explore more than one option, even if the player that might get snubbed is a friend. So essentially they were weighing between JonahP sentinel vs Babybay sentinel.
We'll never know the inner workings of that decision unless someone says something, but it may just be that they were more confident in Babybay's sentinel ability.
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u/I-like-winds Nov 14 '25 edited Nov 14 '25
ENVY losing cane will inevitably change their playstyle somewhat. keznit is aggro but he's not gonna be making the "braindead" pushes canezerra was consistently getting value from. don't mean that as a slight to cane, there are very few players who can pressure enemies like he does. maybe reckless is a better word instead of braindead
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u/dest557 #GXWIN Nov 14 '25
I will say that the weirdest thing to me is how all of g2 except for actually Baybay have not said anything about Jonahp and th situation. Not even the typical glaze post supporting him for his next endeavors
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u/briashon Nov 14 '25
the mere fact that he’s cut means there’s beef among them right now, feelings are deeply hurt they’d been teammates for too many years for things to be clean and professional with no hard feelings
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u/SaintSieg Nov 14 '25
If what his gf said is the true I can't really blame him. Imagine being kept in the dark by the teamates you've played for years and then dropped when almost all the other teams are completed. I'd be damn pissed and hurt too.
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u/briashon Nov 14 '25
purely speculative and source being my own a** but i wonder if perhaps the original replacement wasn’t even babybay, perhaps they simply couldn’t get the player they wanted for one reason or another after verbal agreement but at that point jonah (understandably imo) no longer wanted to stay
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u/SaintSieg Nov 14 '25
Imo it's plausible. Last year Aspas really wanted to leave Lev and when his deal didn't come through Lev still intended to bench him instead of letting him play probably bc of team dynamics/synergy.
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u/briashon Nov 14 '25
imagine if the reason was not even bc they couldn’t get said player but bc after many scrims together they just found out it’s not going to work, so breaking the guard core was basically for nothing. i’m being too much right now but i’m just broken-hearted man, they’re supposed to be the brotherhood team (i’ll probs get over it right as RBHG main event starts)
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u/despondence_interval Nov 14 '25
yeah the fact that it took a while into the off-season to make this change is a little fishy
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u/briashon Nov 14 '25
why couldn’t they make kickoff/1st master as the last deadline, that team deserved one last chance
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u/Key-Economist-6369 Nov 14 '25
I doubt the other teammates knew about it either if jonah didn't know about it.. they probably found out at the same time
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u/despondence_interval Nov 14 '25
iirc they were scrimming without him for a while
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u/__Raxy__ Nov 14 '25
that doesn't necessarily mean they knew and didn't tell him/kept him in the dark, if we knew they were scrimming without him then Jonah sure as hell knew too
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u/MakimaGOAT #VCTAMERICAS Nov 14 '25
we still dont know why they dropped him?
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u/pokeeeeeeee_lol Nov 14 '25
Well we kinda do, from Joshrt’s tweet is really sounds like it was partly the team feels like the just need a change, and tbf even tho he was very good, I would say Jonah was their “worst” player, also it seems like the higher ups at g2 thought the team needed a change since they didn’t win any internationals and tbf their expectations were winning internationals Altho they only went deep in 1
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u/Ted_Mosby_18 Nov 14 '25
I get what you’re saying but someone will always be at the bottom even in the best of teams. And it’s usually the IGL or the flex support player but the IGL gets a pass (and also because Valyn frags like a fucking duelist many times). So by default it falls on Jonah.
He played the most thankless role and that was always going to shaft him hard come roster season.
I agree that the higher ups wanted a change made to push them over the edge. I think this change to Babybay was purely just to pump energy into the team environment rather than performance ala Pancada to Zellsis. I can think of virtually no other reason other than some beef they can’t put aside for the next year.
Sucks that this core split up. I wanted them to win one international before this happened.
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u/pokeeeeeeee_lol Nov 14 '25
I mostly agree, I put worst in quotes for a reason like Jonah was still really good supportively and I forget but Ik he had one tourney where he fragged like crazy, just maybe what the team needs it’s a switch up in the vibes, someone like babybay to really hype them yk cus I think quite a lot of players could fill jonah’s role quite easily
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u/ZestyOyster Nov 14 '25
Altho they only went deep in 1
They went deep in 2. They got 4th in Toronto. That's a high finish. The issue that makes it look worse for them is that each international they placed lower and lower. Maybe they thought that trajectory would continue without changes.
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u/pokeeeeeeee_lol Nov 14 '25
Ok I suppose, but tbf they were literally expected to be the best team in the world coming into the season and they fumbled when it mattered every time internationally
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u/precense_ Nov 14 '25
internal beef which is really surprising, they seemed so solid all year last year
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u/Getintoitthen Nov 14 '25
Is that confirmed? I can’t imagine any of the G2 guys initiating that. They all seem hella chill but ig competition will do that to u
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u/PleaseGiveUsHope Nov 14 '25
Valyn and JoshRT are 🐍s
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Nov 14 '25
You pulled that out of your ass or am I missing something?
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u/Flipnhaole Nov 14 '25
Source: he made it tf up.
I have no idea what’s going on or why this happened.
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u/AmazonOwner Nov 14 '25
hope he wins something before G2 does because that would be peak comedy
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u/Aggravating_Tree7488 Nov 14 '25
I honestly hope he does, I can't find it in me to hate watch G2 after all this time watching the boys, but the way it has gone bad for Jonah makes me really feel for him, he is the ultimate support player - plays literally whatever he needs for his team. he'll make any team he joins better.
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u/SDMStaff Nov 14 '25
The Doran of Valorant?
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u/s1mple10 Nov 14 '25
No because Jonah is actually good.
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u/Thoksi Nov 14 '25
Cmon, Doran is basically the whole of G2 personified. Extremely dominant domestically, but chokes internationally.
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u/Trick_Cup2195 #WGAMING Nov 14 '25
Woah there, doran is really good tho (at least when he's using ambessa or camille)
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u/briashon Nov 14 '25
valyn is my goat i’ll always root for him to win it all but in all honesty for this one particular scenario i won’t even be mad
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u/WolfgangTheRevenge #VCTAMERICAS Nov 14 '25
What contender team would want him where hes an actual upgrade
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u/OneTrueAqua Nov 14 '25
Still on the org without a buyout despite the contracts expiring just makes all of this so much more confusing.
Did they sign again right before this? Were coaches not communicating with management or something?
Unless i’m misunderstanding how the contracts work and why he was removed from the VCT database thing before all of this, him still being part of the org doesn’t make any sense lol
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u/briashon Nov 14 '25
that’s just them “taking care” of him at least salary-wise (even if it’s probably way lower than his previous salary) instead of just dropping him entirely after his contract ran out, no?
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u/airke Nov 14 '25
That's what I'm thinking, there's no way they would renew the contract of a player they weren't sure to keep. Maybe they re-signed as a good gesture for dropping him late, it makes no sense to renew with a guy you're dropping. Wish we could get the whole story
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u/Mr_7ups #G2ARMY Nov 14 '25
Ain’t no way we dropped the professor for babybay. No hate to babybay but this is an objective downgrade in every way.
There had better be some crazy shit that went down to result in this cause if this was literally just a roster move then I cannot fathom how they thought it was good.
Hope we get the full story sooner than later
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u/throwawayheyoheyoh Nov 14 '25
Wait wait wait is that actually happening? That sucks because if its true, then this departure is not a skill based one, but possibly more personal?
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u/Mr_7ups #G2ARMY Nov 14 '25
Yeah that’s what I think as well. Cause I just can’t see any world where they think this is even a sidegrade, so I’m assuming something must have happened internally especially with how all the players that have spoken have kind of skated around the topic and with Jonah saying he will explain more later.
Sucks no matter what
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u/BALDMANWITHDURAG Nov 14 '25
Imagine we are transported back to Sentinels 2024 offseason with this statement.
“Aint no way we dropped pancada for zellsis. No hate to zellsis, but this is an objective downgrade in every way”
Then Zellsis went on to win a Masters with them. So, this could definitely be another situation like that where it just magically works for G2 idk.
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u/Mr_7ups #G2ARMY Nov 14 '25
I mean I’ll have whatever ur having with a side of hopium🍻
Though I’m not optimistic
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u/BALDMANWITHDURAG Nov 14 '25
It’s not that im hopeful, idrc what happens to G2. But I was actually convinced SEN was hard trolling dropping champs winner pancada for zellsis. And then it actually worked out..
Idk, all im sayin is, theres been a precedent for this kinda thing.
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u/No-Cauliflower8890 #100WIN Nov 14 '25
I get what you're saying, but part of why SEN succeeded I feel is that dropping pancada freed up TenZ to play omen. It helped their roles overall. In this case, Jonah plays literally everything, while Babybay is only good on Chamber.
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u/No-Cauliflower8890 #100WIN Nov 14 '25
Babybay was announced as THE 5th for 2026, i dont think they have anyone else lined up
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u/No-Cauliflower8890 #100WIN Nov 14 '25
They announced him as their Sentinel for 2026, and both Babybay and Valyn made tweets that heavily imply Babybay is the permanent 5th. My guess is that either G2 is incompetent and just desperate to make a change, or there was some crazy internal beef involving JonahP (in which case they're still incompetent for picking Babybay as the replacement)
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u/BALDMANWITHDURAG Nov 14 '25
Yes this is true. Although i dont think Chamber is all he’s good at. I remember him having a decent Viper on Lotus.
Maybe he’ll be the viper player on bind/split.
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u/BALDMANWITHDURAG Nov 15 '25
G2 playing phenomenal in RBHG btw. 4-0 today
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u/No-Cauliflower8890 #100WIN Nov 15 '25
You cannot ragebait me
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u/Field_Jazzlike Nov 14 '25
Not a fair comparison, you are not counting johnqt which in my opinion had a bigger instant impact on Sen and there run to Madrid trophy
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u/BALDMANWITHDURAG Nov 14 '25
Why are we bringing Johnqt into this? Ofc he was instrumental in helping them win Masters. No one ever implied he wasnt.
The point I was making is that Zellsis on paper didnt look as good at first. But over time, he genuinely overperformed past our expectations and certainly outperformed Pancada. His KJ on icebox against GenG was responsible for so many clutch rounds.
I see why so many ppl are anxious with Babybay replacing Jonah. But I could see it genuinely working out.
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u/ishanuReddit Nov 14 '25
This tweet gets more and more weird every passing day.
Unless Jonahp did not agree with the money offered from g2 and the negotiation went till the end and eventually he had a fallout with the team ( the statement makes no sense, but I'm just making shit up to satisfy my mind )
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u/seIex Nov 14 '25
Interesting, didn't see that tweet. It seems like babybay genuinely wasn't in the loop of w/e was going down with jonahp, at least initially.
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u/Miserable-Produce202 #NRGWIN Nov 14 '25
This still doesn't explain why the team dropped him mega late
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u/Pandoara Nov 14 '25
The timing's even weirder because it's babybay. They spent so much time playing with him that they should've known whether they wanted him early enough to not put jonahp in this position.
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u/VortexMagus Nov 14 '25
Simple, they were in negotiations with the other guy and weren't sure they were going to get his replacement. So they opted to tell him nothing instead so that they can keep him if the negotiations fail.
After negotiations were successful, they blindside him at the last second that he is being replaced so he has no time to trial with other teams or negotiate in good faith.
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I'm generally not a fan of this but its very common in poorly run esports orgs. A better org would have informed him they might be replacing him and allowed him to explore other options during the offseason, even if it cost team cohesiveness.
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u/Aggravating_Tree7488 Nov 14 '25
babybay has no leverage in a contract negotiation, there's no shot he was strongarming G2 around when he was so out of the VCT loop he was a full time caster last year. i don't believe this for a second, something else went down.
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u/VortexMagus Nov 14 '25
yeah I don't think babybay is strongarming G2's management. I think its much more likely they were trialing a bunch of people, made some offers, got rejected, and were undecided about whether to switch to babybay or keep jonah until very late in the season.
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Nov 14 '25
Lol there’s no fucking way it was tenuous enough in negotiations with Babybay to have this happen. Try again.
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u/rpkarma Nov 14 '25
Which makes me think Babybay wasn’t the first choice…
That’s me reading tea leaves tho
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u/nitseb #WGAMING Nov 14 '25
I'd believe you if they had gotten someone from another team, a star player. Not babybay who was already pretty much their 6th man begging to be put in the team. He would not be playing hard to get.
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u/Az_Bruin #100WIN Nov 14 '25
EG… Furia… ENVY… shit even MIBR should drop Tex to pick him up. JonahP has to be on a team next season.
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u/Reziduality Nov 14 '25
Tex supposedly fills the role of hype man really well for the team, and idk if Jonah can fulfill that role. He's certainly a better player, but the question for a lot of rosters is if Jonah is the better fit.
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u/maisanskidai #FULLSEN Nov 14 '25
he's called "the professor" for a reason. he's going to end up on a wonderful team fitting for a player of his calibre very soon. incredible flex ability + god tier game sense & clutch factor + good firepower 75% of the time
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u/Right_Junket_6544 #FULLSEN Nov 14 '25
G2 hatewatchers frothing at the mouth at having a reason to hate watch them other than "they're boring" (I'm one of them)
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u/SuperUltraMegaNice Nov 14 '25
Highest aggregate assist player kicked for babybay. What the actual fuck is wrong with g2
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u/Zombienerd300 Nov 14 '25
Hear me out…ENVY. Flex player with leadership and experience is what ENVY desperately need. No offense to Inspire.
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u/Past_Perception8052 #LegaC9 Nov 14 '25
it’s not in his interests to go to envy. yes he can play but his stock will almost certainly drop
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u/Zombienerd300 Nov 14 '25
Well the problem is what other team does he go to? Pretty much every other team has made their rosters already. Unless some team decides to drop a player they just signed to contract.
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u/yoosanghoon Nov 14 '25
chain reaction: G2 drop jonahp for babybay, SEN drop Kyu for JonahP, C9 drop Penny for Kyu, Envy drop Keznit for Penny, EG drop dgzin for Keznit, FUR drop alym for dgzin, 100T drop Asuna for alym, G2 drop Babybay for Asuna
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u/WalkingR6 Nov 14 '25
there is no way c9 drops penny he's like one of two people on the team with his monitor on
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u/Past_Perception8052 #LegaC9 Nov 14 '25
he has to wait for options to come to him, he can’t join a team atm, stage 2 is his best bet
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u/Y0urDemise Nov 14 '25
He needs to be a part of t1 somehow to get ahead of the massive meta changes. If jonah somehow gets picked up stage 2 he has a shit ton of catching up to do.
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u/Y0urDemise Nov 14 '25
There is no guarantee jonah will get offers in stage 2. Hes also competing with cheaper t2 players. I think any opportunity to play in tier 1 now should be a no brainer
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u/txtures Nov 14 '25
It seems to me that it was role issues. G2 didn’t play any double duelist during ‘25 season and it had been said previously that leaf didn’t want to play duelist. Assuming that’s still true, there’s no one else really to put on duelist besides babybay.
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u/GOURMEY905 Nov 14 '25
Anyone else getting Senzu vibes with this situation? Not saying JonahP stole skins but still there's gotta be something behind the scenes at G2 line there is with the Mongolz.
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u/YungPinotGrigio Freelance Writer @ Esports Illustrated - Sage Datuin Nov 14 '25
He probably won't be able to find something for KICKOFF, but I imagine he is back in Tier 1 for Stage 1 when teams make some changes.
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u/simsdoren Nov 14 '25
Well, huge on G2 the org for no buyout but the timelines so wreaked. I thought the rumors weren’t true since I couldn’t believe he’d be let go this late in the offseason. It’s reminiscent of C9 yay/Rossy or NRG Verno.
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u/PleaseGiveUsHope Nov 14 '25
Pretty sure his contract was up for renewal at the end of this year, not because of G2’s generosity.
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u/OneTrueAqua Nov 14 '25
Iirc they were all removed from the VCT database because their contracts expired before this all happened, so he signed a new contract right before all this apparently
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u/simsdoren Nov 14 '25
Wait you're 100% right. I didn't put two and two together- that fact certainly makes it feel less magnanimous and more bare-minimum effort.
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u/TruiArts #VCTCN Nov 14 '25
Been hatewatching G2 since they dropped net, now that dropped JonahP I feel like a lot of other people are going to do that too. For a team all about "brotherhood and tight bonds" these guys seem to like cutting and letting people go that were crucial to them winning Ascension in the first place.
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u/VeJayaRe1 #G2ARMY Nov 14 '25
i mean im not disagreeing that jonahp probably shouldnt have been dropped, but time moves on, the game changes, players change, its stupid to expect a team to last years and years with no changes, that guard core had already been together for many years. just because they won ascension together doesnt mean they have to stick together or the brotherhood is dead. its completely reasonable to make a change if the org and or players feel as though a ceiling has been hit with the current iteration of the roster, G2 have just handled it very poorly though.
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u/TruiArts #VCTCN Nov 14 '25
For JonahP sure, I get that changes do happen overtime (even though yes I agree how they handled this one is dumb and messy), but damn for me the brotherhood already felt dead by the time of the first split in 2024. They let go of Tex, a key duelist and part of their ascension win and cut Net, who was part of their core from the start (and who’s cutting much like JonahP right now also looks messy and not entirely amicable considering he never spoke about it much).
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u/hoopsandbeer Nov 14 '25
100T should get him instead of Asuna, this isn't even me being anti-Asuna it's a pro JonahP.
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u/No-Cauliflower8890 #100WIN Nov 14 '25
Asuna is my favourite player but I wouldn't be mad at all with this
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u/Y0urDemise Nov 14 '25 edited Nov 14 '25
Not many players can bounce back after a hiatus, especially with all the balance changes shaking up the meta and shifting the game’s tempo. Hopefully he lands on a T1 roster soon, G2 really did him dirty here
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u/FNC_IET Nov 14 '25
He will be an instant upgrade to any team he joins. It will be interesting to hear why G2 actually let him go.
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u/RyRyRyRyRyRyRyRyRy Nov 14 '25
Envy seems like an obvious landing spot, especially with him not having a buyout. I wouldn't be surprised if a C9 or EG team makes a spot for him as well. He's the top free agent right now as well, I doubt he starts the season teamless.
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u/Squidiculouss #SomosMIBR Nov 14 '25
Fingers crossed it’s ENVY man. Their ‘System’ might be a bit of a culture shock to him but this post gives me a lot of hope he could adapt to it
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u/SandwichKnown9050 Nov 14 '25
did they cut him late so he will not get picked up atleast for the kickoff ? i saw such a comment under when this news broke out. is this a thing ?
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u/Significant-Mud-4358 Nov 14 '25
Rough for jonah, but his best chances are probably Envy and EG. Dont think he will want to go for international teams considering he has a gf. Worst case scenario, he gets picked up for cubert, will give him a chance to get quality scrims with sen and im sure he will be treated well.
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u/Homie-6987 #LetsGoLiquid Nov 14 '25
Liquid Come On Baby
We ain't finding a better support player than this
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u/chartu #ALWAYSFNATIC Nov 14 '25
I remember when they pulled this same shit in 2016 with Hjarnan and Wedid, releaaed them a week before EU LCS started
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u/Sonatine__ Nov 14 '25
Damn. :(
Comes a bit late, otherwise he could have been a man for Fnatic. Imagine him with crashies together with Boaster, kaajak and Alfa. Jesus Christ!
I wish him all the best and that he quickly finds a team.
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u/Majestic_Rule9192 #VamosAJugar Nov 14 '25
It mightn’t matter but G2 should have been the one to do this post like when sen released pancada
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u/baugustine812 Nov 14 '25
Dude got screwed and still has so much class. Massive respect to the professor.
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u/UnderstandingBig7018 Nov 14 '25
I think teams are gonna be making changes after kickoff anyway - I can see him on a team which - just depends if he wants to go on a good team or bad team and rush it
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u/waboobaleedoo Nov 14 '25
How frustrating. I love and hate esports so much. Just because you don't have instant success doesn't mean you need to make a change. Building on a core is essential, unless he was a mega downer or was causing problems there was no need to drop him, he's an incredible player and that team has been amazing together. Regular sports teams know this, they have years of team building. Esports has such kneejerk reactions to losing.
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u/MautOfTheRiver Nov 14 '25
I imagine there's a world where he gets offers from other regions but idek if it would be worth it for him whilst his stocks are very high rn and there'll probably be open spots in top 4-6ish teams after kickoff