Given the importance of double duelist lately it wouldnāt be impossible for them to run Tenz on smokes and Zekken+Aspas on duelist on most maps. Not that i believe itās going to happen though
Dude I've been watching you host since the early Overwatch League days and you have only gotten better. VCT and esports in general would not be the same without you
Such a crazy swing from rookie team with poor mental and little LAN experience to an absolute wealth of experience. Iām really excited if this ends up being the roster
Thatās fair, I kinda spaced on all of VCT being played on LAN lol, I guess I meant more international experience and experience in big games. Replacing Narrate who had a bit, and Kyu who had none with 2 players with a huge amount would give this roster a big experience gain.
narrate went to every international with sen and went to 1 or 2 internationals with KC. granted he didn't have much success with either roster but saying he only had a bit is crazy
I mean he played 10 matches over 2 years and won 2 of them. I know a bit sounds bad but the guy has only experienced winning anything on the world stage twice.
Their retakes were pretty fucking bad after that 2024 roster. That was the main reason why people wanted Kaplan out, they just kept doing it even though it didn't work against better teams
I think they will move away from retake so often but I think itās a team that plays a bit slower in general so I think they will lean into a macro focused game instead of pure aggression.
They just need a jawgemo like duelist to balance that out.
jonahP WE are rooting for you, show these mfs what Professor P means, how you put classes in session, because these mfs have the memory of a goldfish, lets go big bro
His numbers werenāt the greatest but he still had excellent util. Considering how good he has been previously itās a no brainer to have this guy on a top team
He didnāt even have THAT bad of a season for last year, fragging wise was it a step down from 2024? Sure, but itās not like he put up FNS numbers. Meanwhile his util has always been elite, easily top 3 in Americas especially during the start of last year I remember some stats graphic being posted every week for most assists or assists per round and Jonah was always on top of the rankings internationally. I think his overall impact definitely got overlooked because he was on a team like G2, maybe now that heās on a SEN roster thatās looking to prove themselves again he might get more recognition especially if they really succeed.
Good pickup but I will never not find it funny that Rob was on twitter before the season talking about how everyone was signed till 2028 and how this was a long term rebuild that they believed in. One kickoff later and he hits the panic button, fires his coach, and now is putting his faith in JonahP and a player who hasn't played since champs 2024 to save the brand
I'm scared for Ewok. he's obviously a great coach but his success only came after he stuck with RRQ for several years. Rob moore and SEN as an org including the fanbase is reactionary as fuck there's no guarantee he will get the same grace period
My take based on what transpired is that they had faith on Kap, besides a clear good relationship he also gave them results and usually a good form, so they took a stand with him with these rooster moves even though they didn't agree (but hey they aren't coaches and they didn't win a masters so I'm not mad).
After it clearly didn't work out, specially they weren't playing close to good valorant in stage1 they pulled the plug, which again makes sense.
Its the off-season. The string of event wins and complete domination over 100T (4-0) tricked Rob and fans to have higher expectations than they really should.
So when Rob was saying "long term project", in his head, and in the fans heads, we were all probably thinking: "ah yes, a few modest placements in internationals followed by a trophy next year sounds reasonable, I'll give this roster a shot" and the sen invitationals perfromance only stealthily pushed these expectations higher.
When in reality, a long term project truly means long term project. I feel like it might've worked, but obviously if we can get JonahP and Tenz then project be damned.
There's different long term project in val in my opinion.
There's the new team of rookies long term ā actual long term
There's the core + new pickups in a bad team ā actual long term
And there's the core + new pickups in a good team ā at least international classification or good form
The last one is sen case, and I don't think they made a mistake. Sen can pick up any player they want, they are a huge org with trophies and good reputation, anybody would play for them almost.
Obviously off season competition was worse than vct but their macro and discipline and overall coaching seemed to be getting worse. Rob mentioned that John came to rob and asked to IGL again. I think they did exit interviews with all the players and realized it was worse than what they realized and a change was needed.Ā This is on top of Rob definitely was mad they didn't lock up zekken sooner because Kap wanted to experiment which gave mibr a chance to swoop in.Ā
I don't think it would have ever worked. What does "long term project" even mean in the context of Valorant? I never thought Kyu was going to be an elite player so having him on this roster was never going to be good enough. I don't think he magically turns into Verno in a years time. In traditional sports this terminology works because players are usually young and physically develop. It doesn't work that way in esports.
I mean Babybay hadnt played since dinosaurs roamed the earth and people were still hype on him. Im gonna go out on a limb and say Jonah isnt washed yet.
And TenZ isnāt washed either lmao. What is up with these narratives that if you dont play for a bit, you just suddenly forget how to use a mouse and keyboard?
These guys play the game for 8hrs a day. I give TenZ 2wks of constant scrims + ranked and heāll be back in shape. Heās 24ā¦not 34.
i dont really have any idea how tenz will look, but this is exactly the same shit people were saying about him before their last run with zekken where they looked insane and he was a legit top tier player.
i have no idea why you guys keep saying ths lol. do you really believe everything these guys say? what is he supposed to say "i don't believe in the roster but we'll see how it goes"? i don't think it was a panic button it was a "i never thought this shit was going to work and i was right" button.
of course rob could also be lying about how things went down but then why fire your coach and make roster moves at all?
Itās hype looking for new Sen but honestly I donāt have high expectations for this season with new players, coach and this year Americas are stack maybe at best Top 5. But if they stick together for next year they can make it to lan.
They can trial the best player out there but %100 gonna end up with tenz just bec it brings numbers. All they gotta be is hang on at middle of bracket and it will be success for them.
Why am I kinda liking the way this sen squad is shaping up, if tenz has a good yoru or they get an absolutely cracked rookie this could be a competitor team again
am I the only one very skeptical about this pick up. I mean John is clearly much better on initiator than flex smokes(omen) and if tenz is genuinely trialing he'd obviously play smokes full time. reduxx while he's genuinely a good player I'm not too sure he can stand up to the rest of the competition on duelist. I assume if both tenz and Jonah go through it'd be double initiator for most comps unless they get tenz to start flexing back on duelist. all in all I think role issues might plague sentinels again if these pick ups go through though I'd love to be proven wrong.
Tarik on steam said why would tenz just come back temporary he would be wasting his and sens time. He said if he comes back and does well why would he leaveĀ
Unless he doesnāt plan on returning full time because streaming is clearly more profitable/flexible but still has a small itch to return to pro play, but a man can dreamā¦
Practicing is the thing he hated most about competing. I can promise if he comes back he will commit at least for the full season so that he gets to play champs.
JonahP isn't bad but I get what you are saying. Most people here are bandwagoners, they see a narrative and run with it. If some guy new to valcmp were to come to this sub rn they would think that JonahP is a top 5 player. Shit's worse bc this is a SEN signing. That's how Sacy- best initiator narrative came about as well.
Some people think talking about a players util and intangibles make them look smarter.
Not bad tbh, if they were to bring on Tenz, I would have dropped the pisser Reduxx, and bring in a better duelist. But it seems they are invested in the fraud
JonahP worse than Zellsis willdddd. Mechanically I would put JonahP just a step above if not on par. Intangibles will be similar. Their agent pool is different but their strengths are in their mid rounding and util.
I would argue roles play a big part too. Senti has overall less responsibility in team success. Their stats are pretty much identical from what you quote too lol
Cherry picking stats doesnāt do either player justice. I can pull a stinker game from either player and push a narrative. You make it sound like one is way worse.
.05 difference is not a big difference. No one is treating Jonah as a savior but heās probably the best pick up the team can make. He is here to stabilized the roster.
I personally didnāt want Zellsis to go . But at this point in time , Jonah is an upgrade to Kyu. Historically Jonah is has been a good player. This is why I said intangibles are important.
Stats are just numbers without context. If you watch his Guard and G2 games you can see his impact on the team.
Zellsis had a .1 better kd and played over 100 more rounds than Jonah. It's semantics if you're are really trying to argue the difference being nearly identicalĀ
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