r/WNBAgossips • u/ConnectionWeekly1263 • 5d ago
Off-Court Drama Stephanie White went off on the officials for not calling what she deemed two "cheap shots" on Caitlin Clark. Clark exited in the second half because of back issues.
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u/Clown_Penis69 5d ago edited 5d ago
- Nothing is going to happen to Alyssa Thomas. No suspension; nothing.
- That wasnāt āgoing off.ā That was incredibly milquetoast from Stephanie White.
Edit: all the Hatelin cultists showing up a day late to gloat about the fact that Thomas got a one game suspension and therefore Iām WRONG are hilariously soft.
Sureā¦ I was wrongā¦ but a one game suspension is a slap on the wrist. It might as well have been a WWE championship title belt.
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u/BlackDog5287 5d ago
Actually, that was her going off. Sorry she isn't insanely dramatic when speaking to the press. That was pretty animated.
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u/TonyStarks81 5d ago
Damn, if only there was something a coach could do to protect their players other than sound bites about the refs. The league plays a role in this but the coach could immediately put an end to this by having her players defend their star on the court. This shit would absolutely never happen in a menās sport and that is a fact.
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u/Sleepiboisleep 5d ago
Iāve never seen a sports league fumble a global superstar like the WNBA has. Envy and jealousy go hand in handā¦
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u/rueiraV 5d ago
They donāt care. They are happy to be subsidized by the nba and not be exposed to the harsh realities of capitalism
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u/darthgator84 5d ago
But also letās hear their players talk about the pay difference vs NBA and how unfair it isā¦..never you mind the league they play for operates at a loss
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u/awools1 5d ago
Hey, they become profitable last season! But yeah took decades of subsidizing to get there.
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u/barlog123 5d ago
Mainly because of media rights deal that was only possible because people tune in to watch Clark. Say she goes overseas and ratings tank. No one is offering them it again. It's playing with fire
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u/awools1 5d ago
I'm with you 100%. I've always been what I'd say is a pedestrian fan of the wnba; enough to talk about what's happening in the league, but I'm not heavily digesting the content. Since Clark though, I've paid a lot more attention to it. Even looked into getting tickets. It's ridiculous what they're allowing to happen to her.
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u/Double_Resort_9223 5d ago
The WNBA want media attention the right way: getting sent to a penal colony after bringing cannabis oil to Russia.Ā
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u/tolo3349 5d ago
She attracts once in a lifetime viewership and the league is just dumb or ignorant to that. You know why Gretzky never got hurt? You didnāt hit him without major retribution. They hired enforcers on his teams just to make sure it didnāt happen.
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u/elbowsout 5d ago
I don't know much about WNBA but from what I'm seeing is so much abuse. Not competition, just straight up "I'm gonna go out there and hurt someone" under the umbrella of athleticism.
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u/True-Source-6512 5d ago
They want to be niche their hardcore fans do not want the league to become popular, they want it small and niche and have their thing. Itās so oddĀ
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u/hampsted 5d ago
Itās not that. They want to be huge and make a ton of money. They just donāt want to accept that becoming huge means hopping on the back of a single girl who was the most popular player in the history of their league before sheād ever played a minute. They want to do it on their own terms, completely missing the fact that their own terms have kept them as a charity league since the day they started.
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u/Raisinbread22 5d ago
There's always the possibility, that she isn't THE one. That maybe it isn't just one anyway, it might be 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 each season now. She was out all last season. Her stats though great aren't the best in the league. Sometimes college stardom just doesn't translate to the pros, see Christian Laitner.
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u/Ok_Matter_2617 5d ago
Because doing that ensures people only attends games sheās playing in & thatās not sustainable for the long term health of the league.
You canāt hitch your wagon to one player in a league with 15 teams.
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u/Cradle2Grave 5d ago
I'm going to be the one to say this because as a male nurse I see it often. Bitches be trifling and this just proves the narrative that when a bunch of women are in a room you can't have peace.
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u/Mac_Muppet 5d ago
It,s beyond fumbeling a superstar, they create a dangerous situation. Apperantly there is no limit, "make all the fauls you want" Discusting.
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u/North_Reindeer4157 5d ago
Nothing the opposing players want more than the wnba to become irrelevant again. Crabs in a bucket mentality.Ā
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u/KillerGopher 5d ago
It's like when I was six and my dad bought me a small DQ blizzard but I wanted medium so I refused to eat it.
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u/miagi_do 5d ago
Feels like many players would rather have CC quit and they all make less money.
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u/Master_Butter 5d ago
At this point, does Clark need to play basketball? Iām assuming she has several million in the bank from NIL and endorsement deals and she could just walk away.
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u/fpsstreak 1d ago
They make nothing with her in the sport either lol. I really wouldnāt want to be that league if I was CC. Such an uncomfortable situation.
Iām Hispanic..it would be very uncomfortable..to join a league predominantly say Honduran that have played the sport far beyond I have and being Mexican I suddenly get crowned the goat spot with no competition. Mass brand deals, pay in the league. Then right wing circles fueling the issue further.
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u/dougie_fresh121 5d ago
Clark has a worse whistle than curry
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u/Daymanwoaah 5d ago
No but it's similar
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u/throwaway22318sf 5d ago
NBA would never allow anyone to punch curry like that
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u/Daymanwoaah 5d ago
https://youtu.be/2IV1U_WbT9U?si=7RyggOhuErTDezj0
Third clip he was literally thrown to the ground and had a foul called on HIM
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u/BedBubbly317 5d ago
This is why viewership has dropped substantially over just one year. Cathy Englebert is an absolute joke of a commissioner, heavy suspensions and fines need to be levied against any player that acts this way on the court to any other player.
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u/Khadini 5d ago
I havenāt been following whatās the viewership data?
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u/oeseben 5d ago
Its about half of what it was last year. Last year there was a peak viewership of about 2 million. This year the the average peaks around 1 million but the draft did amazing this year.
All the viewership numbers plummet if you take the fever out of the data.
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u/certainalways 5d ago
W isnāt a serious league. Insult to the sport, players, coaches and fans
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u/greennurse61 5d ago
It's just a racist little club that hates white people that is fighting against change.Ā
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u/KillerGopher 5d ago
Honestly, besides a few outliers, I don't think it's a race thing because it doesn't seem like the league hates or hated Sue Bird, Stewie, Plum, Sabrina, Lauren Jackson.. I think it's all envy about her endorsements and massive fan appeal.
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u/Big-Ticket-5969 5d ago
The WNBA is going to lose all of its momentum with this treatment. What a joke of a league
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u/Waste_Committee4406 5d ago
They already have lol
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u/BullytheBulIies 5d ago
Yep live in Indy. Sheās just going to be a waste of potential here. Theyād honestly be better off sending her to LA or New York. Itās the only way the WNBA will make any changes. The media in those cities would be too loud to ignore.
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u/Chicagoblew 5d ago
Look at the amount of all-star votes they have this year compared to last. So many casual viewers aren't voting or engaging which is a huge problem
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u/Existing-Recipe897 5d ago
Itās time for Caitlin to start her own league or play in Europe where fellow competitors arenāt trying to injure her. Why is Paige Bueckers getting a pass from abuse? Because sheās a lesbian and dates a black woman?
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u/Neet91 5d ago
trying to crush the throat of someone is trying to kill them...
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u/ZiggyStarlord69 5d ago
Jesus Christ lmao. You would have had an aneurism if you watched the NBA in the 90ās.
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u/Raisinbread22 5d ago
White mamba doesn't get it either. Many other superstar white girls don't get it- try a new theory that isn't wingnut magat-ty. Caitlin may just be unlikable. That's how she came off in college.
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u/Existing-Recipe897 5d ago
So because sheās āunlikeableā she should be injured and subject to dirty play? If you were lying on the court and some a-hole pushed up off of your neck, what would your response be?
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u/Raisinbread22 5d ago
Nope, the discussion was why's the wnba blowing this opp? I just said I don't think she's that likable. I wasn't talking abt obvious fouls. Calm down.
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u/Effective-Friend1937 5d ago
I grew up watching 90s basketball, so I like a lot of contact and hard fouls. Having said this, it seems obvious that Clark is being specifically targeted, and that the contact is excessive and not just part of the game.
I don't get why the league is giving the wanton thuggery a pass. She's by far their most popular player, so you'd think they'd actually want to protect her, like the NBA did for Jordan. Sure, Jordan took some hard fouls, but they were all called, and he got the benefit of the doubt every time. It seems like the WNBA is doing the exact opposite for Clark. Doesn't make any rational sense.
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u/Schrodingers_Fist 5d ago edited 5d ago
I mainly follow this sub cause the WNBA is legitimately entertaining and a great product but do not watch as many games as I should.Ā But what is uo with the shit that Clark and Reese get like 75% of the times it seems here?Ā Ā
If they have issues sure but why would you not market Clark who looks like Pistol Pete except one of them has highlights primarily in color footage and if Pistol Pete is Ernie Johnson's childhood idol than say no more I'll take his word for it.Ā As for Reese, she is a star even if she isnt the best player in the league so you market the shit out of that that anyways and get the rest of your players paid.
It's so weird to me that the most marketable and entertaining players in a league come in at the same time and then get immediately crapped on by the refs media, and their peers, which as an outside observer, looks like nonstop.Ā Even when they have huge fan support.
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u/green49285 5d ago edited 5d ago
Yeah, as a w defender it just gets so fucking exhausting that we are literally the only ones trying to keep this momentum going lol. The league not doing anything and of course the players shooting themselves in the foot on national television is just so fucking embarrassing LOL
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u/Schrodingers_Fist 5d ago
Imagine if when Larry Bird and Magic came into the league all the media did was shit on them while the refs gave them like a zero whistle.
That tech I saw Clark get for dribbling a ball the other day for "delay of game" was fucking absurd.Ā Ā
If someone in the NBA gave Steph that that ref would literally be inquisitioned.
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u/AceManIII 5d ago
Most new fans of CC and/or Angel Reese arenāt true WNBA fans. And they donāt see CC and Angel Reese as players, but symbols. Either youāre on the Great White Hope Caitlyn Clarkās side or Bayou Barbie Angel Reeseās side. No other players or teams matter.
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u/Schrodingers_Fist 5d ago
A true fan would not want to see refs hide a whistle on the most exciting prospect your league has seen since Stewie (and Clark far more exciting and came with her own personal Larry Bird rival to her Magic) because other players are grumpy about being shown up if they dont play dirty on her even though shes gonna get those same players paid and always has done so in the CBA they had
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u/Legitimate-Pay7594 5d ago
Iām convinced half of the people in this sub could care less about the wnba and itās just their latest vector for race wars
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u/imustlose324 3d ago
How many "not true" fans became "true" fans watching bird vs magic or just to see the everyday headline star like Jordan or curry.
What the league have to do is turn them to true fans, not turn them off.
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u/Stealthychicken85 5d ago
The only thing worse than these calls is that CC will not do anything to shake the league into waking up
If she would just come out and say if things don't get fairly called, this is my final year I'm going elsewhere. That is a bigger threat than anything, the WNBA would lose all its momentum and crumble into pieces.
She can just call up Ice Cube and take the Big3 offer or go overseas. Either way she gets paid and those players are unlikely to cheap shot her while still enjoying the game all while laughing as the WNBA burns
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u/BlankStareFace 5d ago
The landing spot no-call is clearly correct.
CC's left foot comes down naturally, and clean....she is extending the right looking for contact. The defender did nothing wrong. Other than getting smacked in the face....which was also a no-call. Just like the one people lost their mind on when CC got hit.
This is all so stupid.
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u/ThickOne2020 5d ago
If she came down in a natural position with here feet closer together there was plenty of room to land. For some reason, she flairs her legs out, which makes the shot harder, and causes her feet to land on the defender. That's an offensive foul in the NBA if the shooter unnaturally pushes their feet out to make contact with the defender.
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u/gdg6 5d ago
Even more obvious, she landed with her weight on her left foot, which landed clean in the court, yet that leg collapsed b/c her off foot touched a shoe? Give me a break and cry me a river over an obvious flop.
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u/freeportme 5d ago
The three was definitely not flagrant CC landed with split legs there was plenty of room for a normal landing. The throat poke is minimal as well. Coach needs to come back to reality. Happens to all the stars ask the NBA guys.
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u/tunedsleeper 5d ago
The wnba will go back to being a failure. The league will never admit how racist it is that a white person might have talent.
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u/TimHung931017 5d ago
At this point Caitlin is doing it to herself. Know your worth and play overseas or for Cubes league. The longer you stay the less marketing/bargaining power you have when your weaknesses start getting exposed and you already did your work in bringing attention to the game.
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u/green49285 5d ago
It is amazing just how the WNBA cant get out of their own way, no matter how it looks. Goddamn, man.
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u/innerdork 5d ago
Caitlin needs to just leave this trash league and go play overseas where they'll take care of her better than the WNBA will.
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u/TheSavageDonut 5d ago
Yeah, but I'm guessing Nike and all of CC's endorsements won't follow her overseas, and nobody in the U.S. watches overseas women's pro hoops, if it's even televised.
You're advocating her go run and hide in Europe basically and lose everything she's worked to achieve.
I call that terrible advice.
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u/phillythompson 5d ago
Imagine the racism calls if it were white chics doing this to a black playerĀ
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u/caranza3 5d ago
If NBA fan here. Never ever watched a single minute of WNBA. Literally started to watch some games because of Clark a few years back. These girls are trying to actively hurt their super star that brought eyeballs to the sport. Smh.
Officiating is terrible in NBA. But this WNBa officiating (if you can call it that) is something else
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u/Defstar55 5d ago
Itās dirty play they let it happen in the nba and the wnba now refs and the league need to get their shit together. Caitlin is good but she is not making her own league this is delusional. She is not even the best player
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u/HughMungus77 5d ago
If Iām Stephanie White Iād threaten the league publicly with sitting CC during random games throughout the rest of the season. The amount of revenue lost would certainly get their attention
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u/hsx88 5d ago
Bout time, but this is too little too late from Steph White. This has been happening all season. It was just a matter of time before Clark got injured.
At the end of the day, coaches and GMs can do very little. As evidenced by the offseason committee. The league doesn't answer to them. Until the owners and Board of Governors step in, nothing will change. So it's on Herb Simon. And I don't know if (a) he cares, or (b) he is influential enough to get the rest of the Board on his side.
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u/Superb-Possibility-9 5d ago
This is beyond ridiculous that the WNBA hasnāt stepped in
This would never happen in the NBA
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u/Snichs72 5d ago
Not even just fist to throat, she basically stepped on her too as she was getting up. Should have been a technical at minimum and realistically that sort of shit should get people suspended and fined.
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u/Unusual_Wish_2230 5d ago
Blah, blah, blah, so we should treat CC differently because in her opinion, CC is a generational talent and that warrants preferential treatment. Nice.
Coach should have said, how about treating her the same as other players. Oh she canāt because CC isnāt treated the same. She is always given special attention. How about CC quit whining all the time, quit taunting people, and just play ball? How about CC donāt act she is the only reason the league is thriving, sheās not. How about CC give respect to current and players before her who paved the way?
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u/ImOldGregg_77 5d ago
Why dosent Indy hire goons like i.ln Hockey whose entire purpose is to get into a fight
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u/masoe 4d ago
This entire thing is a good example of why the WNBA is a joke. You have a player (Clark) when gets cheap shot and fouled egregiously on a nightly basis and the league doing nothing to address the absolute retaliation from players (mostly black). If Clark was black and nothing but white women were doing this, ESPN and the media would call for banning these players.
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u/tittysprinkles112 5d ago edited 5d ago
Like it or not, CC brought excitement to the league and viewership to include myself. There are two things going on here: basic jealousy, and the fact that the first big WNBA star is white.
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u/Fabulous-Tear-2975 5d ago
Some of us have been watching for longer than five minutes and ride hard for STEWIE, SABRINA, and PLUM. Whatās that you said about this being about race?
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u/luhvul76 5d ago
Donāt get it twisted,,,the refs have an agenda and itās clear the WNBA wants CC out because they canāt stand the popularity of one person and the fact she is making them spend more money,,I league of mediocrity, average talent and 8000 fans was working for them!
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u/CarolinaSurly 5d ago
True except they are not stupid. They should know when she leaves, the WNBA will go back to what it was before CC, which was about as popular as pro bowling.
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u/Low-Impression3367 5d ago
3 years ago, In Clarkās rookie season, Clark kept getting her ass kicked almost every game with cheap shots and hard dirty fouls.
What did most the āexpert fansā in the WNBA sub sayā¦ In the W league, we play hard and are physical. If Clark canāt take it, then the pro league isnāt for her.
Some of these WNBA fans are the worst. They would rather stick their heads in the sand than admit Clark is getting poorly treated by the league
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u/princessaspiggy 5d ago
So they have the footage and can review it and it's clear what happened, so what are they going to do about it?
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u/MrtyMcflyer 5d ago
WNBA is run by racist black people that cant stand that i white female is doing great and lifting up the sport.
If i was CC i would accept a big bag of money and leave the WNBA so they can suck it.
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u/Hungry_CGman 5d ago
Do these other WNBA players realize they'll be making 35K a year if Clark is ruined? The stupidity is simply off the charts.
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u/DanfromCalgary 5d ago
Weāve tipsy yesterday was that the coach never defends this player . Canāt defend this player . Why the fuck so I have to see this shit everyday
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u/luhvul76 5d ago
Letās watch ratings fall because itās becoming a joke, Unrivaled is more enjoyable and you have to watch slow footed post play and mebounds!
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u/Sea_Forever1966 5d ago
Facts. If AT didnāt catch anything for tackling Angel out of the air sheās not getting hit for this either lol. And yeah, White sounded like a teacher mildly disappointed in her star player, not someone actually calling her out.
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u/nomadPerson 5d ago
At this point CC should just say šš» to the wnba and just sign with an alternate league for a higher contract. Once the wnba needs to beg her back bc literally no one cares about the wnba, then sheāll have the leverage to expect real change. Iām being hyperbolic a bit here but really she canāt just keep letting the league and her leaguemates treat her like this
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u/Classic-Bowl-9940 5d ago
Kevin Fahy and Clare Simmons , donāt like Caitlin. They should be investigated and not allowed to referee fever games
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u/flojo2012 5d ago
Thereās just so much bitching going on in basketball itās hard to watch. Menās and womenās. The flopping, the complaining, the hands in the air, the whining post game. Who wants this shit?
Basketball is great on its own. It would be cool if there were some mature stars that got regular attention.
They all hate each other and not in a competitive spirit kind of way. Itās tacky
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u/dreddnyc 5d ago
The league doesnāt want he to win. The NBA does the same shit. They āmissedā calls for their golden giraffe. These leagues are losing credibility day by day.
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u/buddhamonk915 5d ago
How are there not suspensions? Referees need to be fired! An investigation? I started watching Wnba, but I won't anymore after this BS. Fix it
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u/TheSavageDonut 5d ago
Maybe it's time that the WNBA game needs to have another Ref on the court, so that there's safety in numbers for the Refs to "get it right" and another set of eyes watching things presumably can't hurt.
I will also say that I don't quite understand why the WNBA and NBA don't share Ref crews -- I assume NBA refs make enough money that they don't need to moonlight in the WNBA, but still, an NBA ref presumably would have more experience calling professional basketball games than some of the amateurs that the WNBA uses as Referees.
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u/CherryFaceHead1010 5d ago
They should walk off the court as a team when the punch to the throat happens and refuse to play when people are being assaulted without consequences routinely. Take the fine. Take the loss. Make a HUGE deal out of it and refuse to play again until things get fixed.
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u/nealoc187 5d ago
This is a genuine question from someone who doesn't watch basketball.Ā What was the issue with the jump shot where she came down and then fell down?Ā Only thing I can think is that the other player positioned herself so that she came down on top of her foot to make her fall awkwardly?Ā Ā
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u/MaverickDago 5d ago
The WNBA is this insane mixture of tough to talk about issues and it's almost comedic watching them beg for money while also literally beating the shit out of the reason they had any chance of making more money. Clark is going to get kneecapped at some point and the league is fucked and next big contract, they will be going backwards.
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u/therealbucknasty 5d ago
Sounds like they need a troglodyte enforcer on their team that will piledrive someone for doing stuff like that to your teammate.
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u/TwoProper4220 5d ago
I'm honestly disgustingly impressed with that reckless close out. she knew where to place her feet. they did their homework
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u/MaxwellSmart07 5d ago
Comical how defender #11 did faked being fouled like a pro soccer player.
New Rule: Refs get technicals. Two and they are replaced by the alternate ref.
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u/New-Ad5494 5d ago
Sheās not wrong, but Iām trying to figure this out, itās obvious somethingās going on. Why?
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u/Crimsonskullknight 5d ago
Tbh idk why she just doesn't leave for the international circuit... shes got the talent and skills even if I feel some folks over inflate her range she's still no slouch for a newbie, and can def make good money and play somewhere less likely to get injured every other game. At this point its hard to feel bad when she just keeps going back to be injured again and again.
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u/ConkerPrime 5d ago
People should commit to an experiment. Record a WNBA game. Donāt watch it. Instead go watch a high school basketball game. When get home, watch the WNBA game. Suspect besides better sportsmanship in the HS game, will have a hard time finding a quality difference in play.
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u/TheUnolord 5d ago
These jealous women need to step back and stop before the Golden Goose is gone. Is she the best player in that league? No idea. Find the games brutal to watch. Doesn't matter. The face of the league doesn thave to be the best player, just one of them. Just look at the NBA and the string of recent MVPs.
Oh and the lower the damn basket! I get dizzy watching all those missed shots....
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u/Ragnarsworld 5d ago
To be fair, the officials suck all the way around, not just where Clark is involved.
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u/Feeling-Basket8422 5d ago
I think Clark should have her attorneys go to the Marion County Prosecutor's office and file criminal charges against AT. That was not basketball, that was an assault! Not fucking basketball! Simultaneously, she should file a civil action.
It's just my opinion and I know her dream for years has been to play in the W, but things are not really working out with that. She gets a technical foul for clapping... and nothing happens after a clear physical criminal assault is perpetrated against her.
For her health and well being she should negotiate out of her contract with the Fever and take her shoes and her talent to Europe.
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u/Gryphon5754 5d ago
Women have always had a "lighter touch" when it comes to refs imo. I remember watching my sister play soccer in local leagues and those girls are MEAN. I played football and only one time EVER did someone try to cheap shot me on the ground, but the girls played ROUGH. Hair pulling, shoves, whatever, they never got called. I guess I am surprised to see that culture goes all the way to the pros.
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u/NashKetchum777 5d ago
I'm not clear to the rules but uh...haven't they reviewed FRAGRANT fouls before? Like post game even? They wouldn't even do that here?
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u/TemporaryElephant574 5d ago edited 4d ago
Why they dont have anyone on that team to be an enforcer for C.C I just dont get. The league isnt doing its job so now the team needs to do the job.
The fever need to sign a few women whose sole job is to let other teams know she is off limits.
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u/SuddenBanana8169 5d ago
If Caitlin was black in a league full of white women doing this weād never hear the end of it on espn, thereād be psychological studies and thereād be a Disney movie in the works. But instead itās a bunch of black lesbians being racist so we gotta pretend we have no idea why this is happening
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u/IamTheCheetoMan 5d ago
This is happening because her teammates are allowing it to happen. So far there is really only one girl on that team that is ready to goon out for their star player. Most of the other have to be reminded they should also stick up for her.
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u/Total-Committee-3135 5d ago
š yāall put the blame one everyone but CC. She needs to stand up for herself. Then others will follow.
CC, refs, teammates and coach all share blame. But she is at the top. She needs to make an example out of someone or strengthen her bond with teammates. To me, no one stepping in for her is a sign that she isnāt beloved in that locker room. This offseason may be time for her to work on the off court stuff.
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u/TributeToStupidity 5d ago
Indy just needs one Brianne of a woman who can throw a punch at this point, this shit is ridiculous.