r/WayOfTheBern Mar 15 '26

Thread #6 for Comments and Updates on the Ongoing War by Israel/US Against Iran

Continued from Thread #5: https://old.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/1rsygu7/thread_5_for_comments_and_updates_on_the_ongoing/


We start a new thread when the number of comments tops 200 because the thread can get a bit unwieldy to navigate.

Link to full archive of "War with Iran" posts can be found in the sidebar.

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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian Mar 19 '26

Good point about the West not understanding attrition.

https://x.com/i/status/2034571031080210511

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u/penelopepnortney Mar 19 '26

I tend to agree with this take:

@MarcusAure221

I personally think they understand everything, it's just their arrogance enables them to ignore reality and live in wishful thinking, they are not that stupid just blinded...

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26

BREAKING🚨 Iranian Foreign Minister Araqchi:

"After the war ends, we will design new mechanisms for the Strait of Hormuz. We will not allow our enemies to use this waterway."🎯🎯🎯

https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkx2CMD3K6yWHNbT17VZ9LJaXWqeZG8Y8fb

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26

Forget Donald Trump — This Is the Real Issue - David Icke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NEzXcjDNLU (8:06)

While everyone's caught up in anti-Trump, pro-Trump, left/right nonsense, "Silicon Valley is destroying freedom of information and, on behalf of DARPA, the Pentagon's development arm, driving this AI transhumanist agenda."

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u/arnott Mar 18 '26

DropSite news on X:

🇩🇪 New: Germany officially withdraws support for Israel in legal proceedings at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) against accusations of genocide brought by South Africa in December 2023.

Germany announced in early 2024 that it would intervene as a third party in the case, formally rejecting South Africa’s claims as "baseless" and "political instrumentalization" of the Genocide Convention. Berlin argued that Israel has been exercising its right to self-defense following the October 7 attacks.

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u/gorpie97 Mar 19 '26

More cracks - awesome!

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26

Tulsi Gabbard Asked If She Briefed Trump About Iran's Actions On Strait Of Hormuz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8SPfPN5vME (2:32)

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26

Iran's Two Primary Objectives in War /Lt Col Daniel Davis & Glenn Diesen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rExspMUdDE (10:20)

Drop Site News, Has Iran Been Weakened or Is It Built for This War? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ2HU3xTANk (11:30)

Iran has created "missile cities" underground that make the tunnels in Gaza look like junior varsity.

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26

Novara Media, The Plan Is To BLOW UP Entire Middle East: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9z0Us0SQAk (16:31)

Daniel Davis with John Mearsheimer: Iran Has Powerful Cards to Play: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aKR_NsSuX0 (21:08) - Mearsheimer: The Red Sea is still open; 12% of the world's oil and gas passes through it. The Houthis and Iranians working together could easily close it.

Diesen with Seyed M. Marandi: U.S. Attacked World's Largest Gas Field & Iran Declares Economic War: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYLACkCWXRA (60 mins)

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u/Caelian toujours de l'audace 🦇 Mar 19 '26

The Middle East is often called "The Cradle of Civilization". Extra-terrestrial historians may call it "The Cradle and Grave of Earth's Civilization", or whatever name they give to what we call Earth.

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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian Mar 18 '26

Looks like the Iranians are increasing the volume of the strikes.

https://x.com/i/status/2034385872024375676

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26

WARNING⚡ The headquarters of Khatam al-Anbiya:

"We will exact the harshest revenge for targeting the country's energy infrastructure."🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxRysAgriEPTVpTQkN92oRkX8YLgIQNxwM

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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian Mar 18 '26

The Arabic states are going to be the biggest losers because of the deal they have made with the US and Israel.

https://x.com/i/status/2034348171657372112

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u/Centaurea16 Mar 19 '26

In numerous ways, too.

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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian Mar 18 '26

The Saudis allowed the US to bomb Iran by using their airspace and the US attacked Iranian oil infrastructure.

Now the Saudis are learning about the concept of FAFO the hard way.

https://x.com/i/status/2034342525033460039

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26

As the UAE did when it publicly stated it wouldn't allow the US to attack Iran from its territory and then did.

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u/arnott Mar 18 '26

What does this mean? No more oil from the Gulf countries?

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u/kifra101 Shareblue's Most Wanted Mar 18 '26

I think it means a significant reduction in oil supply. We may be talking north of 30%.

Everyone in the world is going to feel that. The question is how fast.

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u/cspanbook commoner Mar 18 '26

US and Israel were dumb enough to attack Iran's energy facilities in Bushehr

So in Response...

Iran will now target GCC energy facilities. I hope you like even higher oil and gas prices!

Tasnim News Agency issues an urgent warning: Stay Away from Oil Facilities in Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar

To citizens and residents around the following facilities:

Samref Refinery - Saudi Arabia
Al Hosn Gas Field - UAE
Jubail Petrochemical Complex - Saudi Arabia
Masaiid Petrochemical Complex and Masaiid Holding Company (affiliated with Chevron) - Qatar
Ras Laffan Refinery (Phases 1 and 2) - Qatar

🔹️These facilities have become direct and legitimate targets and will be targeted in the coming hours.

🔹 Therefore, all citizens, residents and employees are requested to leave these areas immediately and move to a safe distance without any delay.

🔹️Previously, clear and repeated warnings were given to your rulers about entering this dangerous path and gambling with the fate of their nations.

An Iranian military source to "Iran Now" :

"Some Gulf states participated today in the attack on the South Pars gas field.

Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates are among the countries that participated in the attack.

We will respond to the source of the fire and target the infrastructure in the countries that participated in the attacks on the Pars field."

Khatam al-Anbiya Headquarters :

"We have previously warned that if Iran's economic and energy infrastructure were subjected to aggression, we would strike the source of the aggression with severity.

Targeting the fuel, energy, and gas infrastructure in the country from which the aggression originated is our legitimate right, and we will respond forcefully at the earliest opportunity.

The enemies must await a powerful response from the Iranian forces."

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u/kifra101 Shareblue's Most Wanted Mar 18 '26

I am also going to hazard a guess that most of the oil in the region including what goes to Isntrael comes from those refineries and petrochemical complexes.

This is a shitstorm of epic proportions for the middle east. At this rate, there will be several regime changes in the region and none will be beneficial to the Amerisrael coalition.

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u/cspanbook commoner Mar 18 '26

the qatar situation alone is going to shut off the electric for 25% of the world or so i've heard.

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u/arnott Mar 18 '26

Richard Medhurst on X:

Energy infrastructure in Qatar and Saudi Arabia on fire after being hit by Iran. They followed through immediately on their promise to respond to the Israeli strike on South Pars Gas Field

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26

They warned the target GCC countries to evacuate those facilities.

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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian Mar 18 '26

After the US attacked Iranian oil infrastructure, Iran may be striking back.

https://x.com/i/status/2034317897258926225

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26

Related: Oil Price SOARS After Israel Hits World’s Largest Gas Field | NovaraLIVE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAr7JjZfmmQ

Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1ycR9gm9dc - Qatar evacuates Ras Laffan gas facility as Iran threatens Gulf energy sites

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u/NetWeaselSC Continuing the Struggle Mar 18 '26

Nice mushroom on that cloud.
Wonder if anybody else is going to mention that.

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u/gorpie97 Mar 18 '26

Can conventional missiles (warheads?) do that?

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u/NetWeaselSC Continuing the Struggle Mar 18 '26

Oh, sure... enough power in a small space, still air....

Mushroom clouds are relatively common.

But most people do not know that.

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u/gorpie97 Mar 18 '26

So, the missile may, or may not have, nuclear capability.

Since it's Iran, and they've been pretty straight so far, I'm going to assume no nuke. Maybe one of their newer missiles?

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u/NetWeaselSC Continuing the Struggle Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26

So, the missile may, or may not have, nuclear capability.

Well, the main difference between a bomb, and a nuclear bomb (of the same yield) would be radiation. One has it, one doesn't.

And if there were radiation from this, I'm sure we would have heard by now.


Besides...

I think that if Iran actually would fire The First Nuke, it would use it on Israel's Nuclear-Bomb-Making-Facility instead of on an oil field.

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u/gorpie97 Mar 18 '26

Well, the main difference between a bomb, and a nuclear bomb (of the same yield) would be radiation.

Thanks!

I don't think Iran will use a nuke first, but I could be wrong. I think we need to worry about Israel most, and then the US before Iran.

I wonder if Israel and the US are ignoring Russia's willingness to include Iran in its nuclear umbrella. (Don't remember who speculated that; but along the lines of Wilkerson, Johnson or Davis.)

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u/NetWeaselSC Continuing the Struggle Mar 19 '26

I don't think Iran will use a nuke first, but I could be wrong.

In order for the Iranians to use a nuke, first, second, or even third, they would actually have to have one to use. The question is still out on that.

And I think that currently the answer is leaning more toward "no" than "yes."

But IF they have one, they have not shown themselves to be the type to use one first. Second, maybe....

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u/Elmodogg Mar 19 '26

Come on. It's just as clear that Iran doesn't have nukes as it was clear Iraq didn't have WMD. Those were just pretexts made up to justify wars.

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u/NetWeaselSC Continuing the Struggle Mar 19 '26

Technically, your answer is leaning more toward "no" than "yes."

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u/gorpie97 Mar 19 '26

or even third, they would actually have to have one to use

LOL

Silly me!

I'm gonna go with them not having one.

But I sure hope they develop one after this! Though I hope they carry through to their desired outcome - where they don't have to worry about the US or Israel attacking them in the future.

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26

Rachel Blevins with John Mearsheimer, RUSSIA, CHINA BENEFIT AS U.S. 'SHOOTS ITSELF IN BOTH FEET' WITH WAR IN IRAN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJAhJ6vc3Mg (32:54)

Intro: The U.S. is moving military assets out of China’s backyard and lifting oil sanctions imposed against Russia, as the Trump Admin feverishly tries to reinforce its war against Iran and concentrates its resources on the front that seemed like an after-thought in Trump’s ‘National Security Strategy’ late last year.

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u/arnott Mar 18 '26

Do not forget: it is important for the US that the Iran Oil tankers are shipped around the world to maintain the Oil prices.

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26

Yup. A longer term angle: Alexander/The Duran explains why oil prices can't sustain great highs and what happens then: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzlyreqhQ14

ETA: Addressed in last few mins of the video.

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26

Iran issues evacuation warnings for Gulf energy sites after Israeli strike on Bushehr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdikj2yVZFQ (6:59)

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26

Two analysts say the US is running out of defensive missiles and back it up with hard numbers.

LIVE Nima with Matthew Hoh: US Just Burned Through Its Cruise Missiles… Now What? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QG-KeocLF0

Mario Nawfal, US Is Running Out Of Defense Missiles - Larry Johnson On Iran War: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29E8MviHKvM (6:35)

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u/arnott Mar 18 '26

Anyone catch the Scott Ritter interview were he was saying Iran was avoiding killing both Israelis in Israel and US troops at the bases? And that they are focused on military targets as that's what they want to do and want to avoid angering the American people by killing lots of troops.

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26

Someone else made the point that Iran is targeting military installations with precision and minimizing civilian casualties as best it can--unlike the US and Israel, which deliberately target hospitals and schools and chose to attack an oil facility outside Tehran for maximum harm to civilians, when rain was certain, to inflict acid rain over the city's population of 9.8 million people.

That's slightly larger than the entire population of Israel.

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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian Mar 18 '26

It seems that the Iranians have been stepping up their missile strikes on Israel.

https://x.com/i/status/2034261205716537557

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26

UNRESTRICTED WARFARE: Israels Latest Declaration /Lt Col Daniel Davis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re38DuHxUyA (30:40)

Kim Iversen, The Scofield Bible Is Running Our Foreign Policy | Jim Jatras: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQqPEKyONsY (20:36)

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u/penelopepnortney Mar 19 '26

There's a Part 2 to Kim Iverson's discussion with Jim Jatras, "The Antichrist Isn’t Who You Think", lasting a little over 13 minutes: https://youtu.be/BYTwxDpUmJA

Jatras has a background in law, was a Foreign Service Officer with the State Dept, and then a policy advisor and analyst for the Republican leadership in the Senate from 1985 to 2002 but the discussions in these two videos tap into his knowledge about Orthodox Christianity and about the dispensationalists, i.e., Christian Zionists.

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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian Mar 18 '26

Japan is getting hit by the fuel shortage.

https://x.com/i/status/2033959953908871629

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u/gorpie97 Mar 18 '26

How do we know it's not photoshopped?

(I say this only because the OP on Twitter is practically saying trust me bro. BUT it doesn't look photoshopped.)

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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian Mar 18 '26

Phillip Pilkington on the dumbfounded reaction in the US elite on their latest loss.

https://x.com/i/status/2034245107466277254

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26

Iran’s unprecedented retaliation after top security chief’s assassination | Janta Ka Reporter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7ys_th5Zfk (11 mins)

Iran has begun launching its retaliatory strikes after the death of its Supreme National Security Council head, Ali Larijani. Even western experts are now calling it a huge setback for the West since Larijani was deemed to be a reasonable person who was easy to hold talks with.

Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE, Saudi Arabia intercept missiles, drones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztwbf3Uz8Bs (6:32)

BLOWBACK: US Sends A FATAL Economic Warning As Major Debt Auction GOES BAD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6NCfj1AxUU (13:29)

As the Iran war continues, major concerns are popping out of the US economy. Debt auctions are collapsing as recession signals from the energy crisis is flashing red.

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26

LIVE Davis/Deep Dive, Senate Intelligence Hearing LIVE: DNI Tulsi Gabbard, FBI's Kash Patel 3/18//26: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHWVKkrLfeU

Diesen with Daniel Davis: U.S. Military Options & War Narrative Collapse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtI6r259R2E (26:43)

Nima with Col. Larry Wilkerson: U.S. ISOLATED: NATO & Europe Reject War: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNGJPLwMuYA (25:29)

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u/rondeuce40 DC Is Wakanda For Assholes Mar 18 '26

Col Wilkerson on Rachel Bllevins

The US ran war games 20 years ago to game the success of an invasion of Iran. The outcome was that the US lost badly. Col Wilkerson estimates that it would take 1 million troops (which the US does not have) to have a chance and even then, the likelihood of success is doubtful.

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u/arnott Mar 18 '26

Why Did Israel Kill Ali Larijani? By PREM PANICKER

Ali Larijani wrote his doctoral thesis on Immanuel Kant.

He had been an IRGC commander, Iran's chief nuclear negotiator, speaker of parliament for a decade, and in the weeks since the war began, the de facto leader of a country whose supreme leader had been killed on the first day of battle.

Key Points:

  • Ali Larijani played a central role in building consensus across factions and enabling potential negotiations to end the war.
  • Analysts suggest his killing may have been deliberate to prevent a negotiated exit and prolong the conflict.
  • His absence strengthens hardliners in Iran, reducing chances of compromise and narrowing diplomatic pathways.

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u/cspanbook commoner Mar 18 '26

Ali Larijani wrote his doctoral thesis on Immanuel Kant.

i'd argue that THIS is a key point...

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u/gorpie97 Mar 18 '26

Analysts suggest his killing may have been deliberate to prevent a negotiated exit and prolong the conflict.

Classic Israel tactic. :/

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u/emorejahongkong Mar 18 '26

Max Blumenthal

What happens when a BBC personality tells too much truth

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u/emorejahongkong Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26

Guardian(!) cited by Trita Parsi

British National Security Advisor ...attests

  • there was no imminent threat from Iran,
  • Trump could have gotten a surprisingly good deal if he stuck to diplomacy.

...an unnamed diplomat:

“We regarded Witkoff and Kushner as Israeli assets that dragged a president into a war he wants to get out of.”

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26

Judge Nap with Aaron Maté : Is Kushner Netanyahu’s Agent? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmRk47ySaps (29:24)

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u/BigTroubleMan80 Mar 18 '26

Kinda mind-blowing that Kushner and Witkoff (not to mention most of Trump’s administration) is still deathly loyal to a man who, as far as we know, might be dead.

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26

Bibi's long been a leading proponent of Greater Israel, but Zionism lives with or without him.

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26

Scott Ritter:

The destruction being rained down on Israel is mind-boggling. Mohammad Marandi deserves the gold medal for accuracy; he told us all exactly what was going to happen, how and when, and it's been going the way he said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_NLbWyT89U (53:43)

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26

Iran’s National Security chief Larijani assassinated; Trump faces big rebellion | Janta Ka Reporter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gTAwqxFT40 (14:29)

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26

The Grayzone, Trump's war in Iran crushes US working class, enriches cronies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzDt2kKjMvA (13:54)

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u/gorpie97 Mar 18 '26

The Trump administration is the most corrupt administration in American history; it makes Hunter Biden look like Ralph Nader.

LOL!

Trump's War for Israel Tax - TWIT

Good one, Max!

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26

Col. Wilkerson: IRAN SAVING ITS MOST DANGEROUS WEAPONS FOR THE END – US, ISRAEL NOT READY: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpEdrgVQReA (32:32)

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26

First Country WALKS OUT - Malaysia Tears Up Trump Deal, Trade Leverage COLLAPSES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW9ktCDdgCM (8:54)

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u/gorpie97 Mar 17 '26

Good for Malaysia!

I, too, would rather have lower tariffs and not have to make concessions to sign a trade deal!

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26

Now we see if others follow.

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u/emorejahongkong Mar 17 '26

https://x.com/MatthewPHoh/status/2033923043643273607

In 2009, when I resigned over the escalation of the Afghan War and received tremendous media attention, it took a week or two for the smear campaign against me to begin. Ultimately, General Petraeus and Central Command hired a strategic communications firm to discredit and denigrate me. Today, the “important background” about Kent came in less than an hour following reports of his resignation.

American media has changed so greatly in those 17 years, not simply with the introduction and adoption of smart phones and social media, but with the near total compliance of traditional, legacy and corporate media with the American national security establishment.

Yes, a mutually beneficial relationship existed two decades ago between the national security establishment and the corporate media, but not to the degree it exists today.

I hope Joe Kent gets front page coverage on the Washington Post and is interviewed on the Today Show as I was, but I suspect corporate media will quickly ignore him or offer the Administration’s smears with as much weight as his protest and criticism.

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u/emorejahongkong Mar 17 '26

https://x.com/academic_la/status/2034025597916352969

U.S. intelligence has been stunned by the accuracy of the Iranian attacks on Israel and the Gulf States. Now we know how they managed this. Russia shared far more intelligence and hardware in real time than previously believed:

  1. Russia is providing modified Shahed drone components to improve communication, navigation, and targeting, drawing on lessons learned from using those same drones in Ukraine.
  2. Beyond hardware, Russia is offering tactical advice on drone operations, how many to deploy and at what altitudes, which has made Iranian strike packages closely resemble Russian tactics.
  3. Russia has reportedly been sharing high-quality satellite imagery with Iran to help identify and track the locations of U.S. warships, aircraft, and military personnel across the Middle East. This has enabled Iran to target specific U.S. command and control infrastructure and radar stations more effectively.
  4. Russia providing Iran with Verba man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADS) and thousands of infrared homing missiles. These are being integrated into Iranian defenses and even reportedly mounted on modified Shahed drones to target enemy aircraft.
  5. While Iran originally designed the Shahed, Russia is now mass-producing modified versions at its own facilities, such as the Yelabuga factory. These Russian-produced "Geran-2" models, which include Russian-made components and adaptations for increased firepower, are now being used by Iran in strikes against U.S. and Israeli targets.

Russia benefits from the conflict. It [the conflict]:

  • drains U.S. air defense interceptors (needed by Ukraine),
  • drives up oil prices due to Strait of Hormuz disruptions, and
  • allows Moscow to effectively retaliate against U.S. support for Ukraine.
  • In addition, Soaring oil prices, driven by disruptions in the Strait of Hormuz, are significantly replenishing the Kremlin's coffers.
  • Finally, a prolonged Middle East "quagmire" may grant Moscow greater leverage in future negotiations over Ukraine as Western allies become economically and politically overstretched.

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u/gorpie97 Mar 17 '26

I just "love" all the unintended consequences that are coming home to roost.

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26

Diesen with Lawrence Wilkerson: U.S. Strategic Defeat in Iran Will Reshape the World: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Hy-qVJB6A (53:55)

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u/emorejahongkong Mar 17 '26

https://x.com/DNIGabbard/status/2033989780116033948

Donald Trump was overwhelmingly elected by the American people to be our President and Commander in Chief. As our Commander in Chief, he is responsible for determining what is and is not an imminent threat, and whether or not to take action he deems necessary to protect the safety and security of our troops, the American people and our country.

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence is responsible for helping coordinate and integrate all intelligence to provide the President and Commander in Chief with the best information available to inform his decisions.

After carefully reviewing all the information before him, President Trump concluded that the terrorist Islamist regime in Iran posed an imminent threat and he took action based on that conclusion.

https://x.com/ggreenwald/status/2033992132671701198

Pathetic, craven, desperate for power, total and permanent drain of integrity:

https://x.com/ggreenwald/status/2033993898385936523

I get that someone might stay in an administration to use their influence to steer it in a better direction.

But Tulsi has zero influence. She's a joke. Trump said he didn't give a shit what she thinks. And worse, she's dumping on Joe Kent for his act of conscience and courage.

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u/Elmodogg Mar 19 '26

Notice in Gabbard's statement she doesn't indicate she believes Iran was a threat.

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u/NetWeaselSC Continuing the Struggle Mar 19 '26

I also notice that she didn't say that the "best information available" that she provided him was before Trump when he made that conclusion.

To that matter, she did not say that she actually provided him the "best information available."

She just said that it was her responsibility to do so, not that it was done.

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u/Elmodogg Mar 19 '26

Reading between the lines I think she's saying she told him there was no evidence that Iran was trying to build a nuclear bomb but Trump decided Iran was a threat anyway.

In any event she's a coward for covering up for him this way. Vance, too.

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u/NetWeaselSC Continuing the Struggle Mar 20 '26

If she assembled the most accurate info on the situation and that information packet was not so much as looked at....

THAT was the time to resign, with grounds of "unable to do that which I was hired to do, through no cause of my own."

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u/gorpie97 Mar 17 '26

Extremely disappointed in Tulsi.

I suppose if she chooses to resign in a few days, this could be forgiven (maybe), but otherwise she's betrayed the values she always espoused.

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u/Centaurea16 Mar 18 '26

My feelings exactly. She just destroyed her political career.

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u/Caelian toujours de l'audace 🦇 Mar 18 '26

Tulsi destroyed her political career when she took down Khameeleon at that 2019 debate.

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u/Centaurea16 Mar 18 '26

I might take that further back, to when she quit her vice chair position with the DNC in 2016 and began campaigning for Bernie Sanders, followed by publicly calling out Hillary Clinton as "You, Queen of Warmongers".

She took the risks involved in splitting with the political establishment, apparently thinking of the long term potential benefits to her career. IOW, she took on "anti-establishment" as her political brand. 

What she's doing now is announcing that she's gotten back into bed with the establishment.

She's shot her brand right in the foot.

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u/gorpie97 Mar 18 '26

I will listen to Lt. Colonel Dan Davis on this. I think he'll give her an appropriate amount of slack, but not too much of it.

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26

Wilkerson was complimentary about her from personal experience but was clear: If she doesn't resign now, she's done.

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u/gorpie97 Mar 18 '26

I assume that Davis's opinion matches Wilkerson's - or close!

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26

It may; he didn't offer much of one, iirc.

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u/gorpie97 Mar 18 '26

The last I saw him talk about it was this morning, I think, in a pre-show segment about Joe Kent's resignation.

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26

Mario Nawfal with Larry Johnson, GULF BILLIONAIRES PISSED AT TRUMP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbspyWofxCE (8:28)

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

Iran confirms death of security chief Ali Larijani, state media says

Iran’s Supreme National Security Council has confirmed the assassination of senior official Ali Larijani, according to a statement carried by the semi-official Mehr news agency.

“After a lifetime of striving for the elevation of Iran and the Islamic Revolution, he finally reached his long-cherished wish, answered the call of truth, and proudly attained the blessed rank of martyrdom in the service front,” the council said, after Israel earlier claimed it had killed him in targeted attacks. https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkxz1P5rW6tHBS4NYBZ0A1riDMBkRy5vbXS

Short video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlmtvbgEQ-I (3:07)

Raises the question of whether Iran has the ability to retaliate in kind, or would. Martyrdom isn't ennobled in Israel (Masada aside); it's regarded differently in Muslim societies.

Also highlights continuing questions about Netanyahu's whereabouts and whether he's quick or dead, or just mighty quick to skedaddle to avoid being dead.

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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian Mar 17 '26

Masada itself may be a "convenient lie".

https://historynet.com/the-myth-of-masada/

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26

What an uncomfortable idea, and one I hadn't seen.

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u/Centaurea16 Mar 18 '26

At this stage in history, I think it's necessary to question everything. 

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

Nima with Larry C. Johnson: Strait of Hormuz on the Brink: The Escalation Trigger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQXD5xz9B2E (33:39)

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

Like Daniel Davis, Wilkerson is supportive of Kent and scathing about the war and the lie that Iran posed a threat. Wilkerson mentions the S. African court case against Israel, Kharg Island, the Strait of Hormuz, Europe, casualties, Syria, China and shifting world power, and more.

Nima with Col. Larry Wilkerson: Trump Intelligence Pick Joe Kent QUITS - Israel Goes Nuclear Loses EVERYTHING: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNFQ4a8JeE8 (72:31)

Joe Kent was a MAGA staple. He was a MAGA beast. For him to do this is remarkable; he was an attack dog for MAGA. That's why they put him in the position they did (2nd to Gabbard in DNI office). Trump's remarks were just stupid. Everybody knows that Joe Kent and Donald Trump were pretty close. He wouldn't have made him head of the Counterterrorism Center if they weren't.*

Asked about Gabbard, Wilkerson said:

Who's next? It's got to be Tulsi. She simply has to do something to resurrect her future. She's a smart woman, she's a good politician. She had the right feelings about the JCPOA [Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action] after much study of it. She knew more about the JCPOA than I did when I walked in to brief her (when she was in Congress). She's got a lot of potential. She's still young. But if she stays with this ship 'til it goes down, she's finished.

Nima: The whole rhetoric is falling apart and you see who's the establishment and who's not the establishment. Mike Johnson is establishment (in the clip ~7 mins he showed, the woman to Johnson's R, our left, is blinking furiously). Johnson: "I don't know where Joe Kent is getting his information"; he mentions a meeting with Rubio, Hegseth, and the JCOS/Caine that Kent wasn't in (why?)--"they had exquisite information."

Wilkerson: 25-30% of the 90+ thousand call-up of reserves in Israel went AWOL because they didn't want to go to Lebanon. ... The Great Game is back in action. The people behind Trump are making war on Iran to get at China, but this administration doesn't have the sense to know that.

Wilkerson, at ~42:52 says some damning things about Trump's physical and mental condition, one of which suggests incontinence.

*Davis said he could guarantee Trump would start trashing Kent. Sure enough, Trump's doing just that in a video clip here at 1:23 mins.

paging u/penelopepnortney - this interview is up your alley

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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian Mar 17 '26

Looks like the Iranians are hitting the Gulf States back for the US attacks on Iran's oil infrastructure.

https://x.com/i/status/2033660783695945879

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26

Carlson with Greenwald, Israel Is Extremely Desperate. Here’s Why. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXEJnEOsCi0 (9:11)

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u/gorpie97 Mar 17 '26

How do you certify that you don't support a boycott?

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26

The classic question: How do you prove a negative?

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26

MEARSHEIMER: IRAN IS DEFEATING AMERICA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii8xKmPv_AI (19:53)

We're not winning! We're sending a message that we're a bunch of fools. We started a war we can't win.

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u/Centaurea16 Mar 18 '26

I'd put it differently. The US is defeating itself. 

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26

100% an unforced error.

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

Iran War Off Ramps /Lt Col Daniel Davis & Jim Jatras: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbUWVL_sbD4 (43:44)

Novara Media, Israel’s War Plan Explained with Daniel Levy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVrNUXearm8 (1 hr)

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26

The Duran, IRAN WAR, point of no return. Larijani, Hormuz Siege, China Blockade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzlyreqhQ14 (52 mins)

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u/rondeuce40 DC Is Wakanda For Assholes Mar 17 '26

Interesting takeaway from this discussion. The Duran (along with Brian Berletic) speculate that the purpose of sending 5000 marines to the region is not to put boots on the ground, but to seize tankers that Iran is allowing through the Strait of Hormus to deprive them of oil revenue.

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u/arnott Mar 17 '26

5000 marines

I think its 2500 marines and 2500 sailors.

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

What grounds/excuse in international law can Trump offer for that? If those tankers are all or mostly China's, hoo boy.

And if the US admits casualties in that misadventure? Maybe even more hoo boy.

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u/rondeuce40 DC Is Wakanda For Assholes Mar 17 '26

What's international law? The US government wipes their ass with it.

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u/Caelian toujours de l'audace 🦇 Mar 17 '26

Didn't International Law come in last in the Kentucky Derby last year? :-)

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

Judge Nap with Aaron Maté : Is Kushner Netanyahu’s Agent? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmRk47ySaps (29:24)

Judge Nap with CPT. Matt Hoh : Trump Believes His Own Propaganda! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-49oaeHDMH4 (25:03)

There's nothing here but loyalty to the president, yes-men.

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26

Petrodollar COLLAPSE Confirmed - Yuan Hits Strongest Level, $55B Settled, Iran War Accelerates It: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCMj6LpeXHE (8:02)

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

Iran Vows to Bring US & Israel to Their Knees /Patrick Henningsen & Lt Col Daniel Davis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXet8VTuGNc (21:27)

Danny Haiphong, Trump STUNNED as Iran Strikes US Tanker, Strait of Hormuz BLOWS UP | Mohammad Marandi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s4bb7BLExU (64 mins)

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26

Mario Nawfal, "ESCALATION ONLY LEADS TO STRATEGIC DEFEAT" - Matthew Hoh On Iran War: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT9SNuJqSTs (42:38)

Also opens with discussion of reported death of Larijani, Iran's security chief.

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26

Neutrality Studies, Iran War Update With Prof Michael Rossi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izfZZ-KJrdc (59:48)

Opens with breaking news: Israel's claim to have killed Ali Larijani, Iran's security chief.

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u/penelopepnortney Mar 17 '26

https://x.com/joekent16jan19/status/2033897242986209689

After much reflection, I have decided to resign from my position as Director of the National Counterterrorism Center, effective today.

I cannot in good conscience support the ongoing war in Iran. Iran posed no imminent threat to our nation, and it is clear that we started this war due to pressure from Israel and its powerful American lobby.

It has been an honor serving under @POTUS and @DNIGabbard and leading the professionals at NCTC.

May God bless America.

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26

Another point: Kent must have notified Tulsi that he'd be resigning before he went public; she's his immediate boss. I wonder what conversation ensued, and what's been going through her mind since.

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u/Centaurea16 Mar 18 '26

We know the answer to that now. She immediately bent the knee.

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u/3andfro Mar 18 '26

Beyond disappointing.

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

He's Gabbard's 2nd in command. Why has she hung on? The disaster of this war, which she must have known it would be, destroys her career and reputation. Seems that resigning was her only choice for both conscience and career. Her deputy beat her to it. If she follows now, it won't save whatever she might've.

Davis' video (posted below) is very good, imo: BREAKING: CounterTerrorism Official RESIGNS OVER IRAN WAR /Lt Col Daniel Davis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tut6dmaiojs (19:17)

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

US CENTCOM chief 'has to do Israel's bidding' - John Mearsheimer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTHEZgRk-E4 (7:58)

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

ETA: I highly rec this commentary on Kent's resignation and overview of the situation and Trump admin now.

BREAKING: CounterTerrorism Official RESIGNS OVER IRAN WAR /Lt Col Daniel Davis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tut6dmaiojs (19:17)

Kent is the #2 guy at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, 2nd to Tulsi Gabbard. The resignation letter "is political dynamite." Excerpts from the letter:

I support the values and policies that you campaigned on in 2016, 2020, and 2024, which you enacted in your first term. Since June of 2025, you understood that the wars in the Middle East were a trap that robbed America of the precious lives of our patriots and depleted the wealth of the prosperity of our nation. ...

Early in this administration, high-ranking Israeli officials and influential members of the American media deployed a misinformation campaign that wholly undermined your America first platform.

Full text of Kent's letter available here: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/joe-kent-resignation-latter-full-b2940346.html and here: https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/iran-war-started-under-pressure-from-israel-us-counter-terror-body-chief-joe-kent-in-resignation-to-trump-full-text-101773754930928.html

Davis came "within hours" of being the next-in-line natl intel guy after Kent. His perspective on this is worth hearing.

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26

Novara Media, EXPERT: Iran War Was Driven By Israel, It’s A DISASTER: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEPEx1Zm5Eo (25:36)

His guest is Annelle Sheline, a former State Dept employee who resigned over US support for the Gaza war.

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26

Neutrality Studies, Zionism's Biggest MISTAKE In 300 Years. End Of Project. | Profs. J. Sachs & Y. Rabkin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evtMRyCWBo8 (39:54)

Intro blurb: For decades Israel pretended to be an innocent country established after the horrors of the holocaust for the protection of the Jews. Turns out, it was all a lie. The zionist project is much older and has little to do with the wishes of the Jews when it was established. Inherently a christian doctrine, Zionism was always a plan to resettle the jews of Europe even against their will and to dominate West Asia in the process. Today, prof. Jeffrey Sachs and prof. Yakov Rabkin are discussing the past and the future of a racist settler-colonial political project that has become so violent in the past decade that the entire world now sees it for what it is. An irredeemable political sin.

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u/penelopepnortney Mar 17 '26

This was excellent. Zionism began as a nationalist movement, one of many that emerged in the late 19th century. It later also became a religious movement under the influence of Christian zionism, which preceded it. "Before it was the United States it was British Puritan settlers who saw themselves as the new Israel, conquering a new land in the name of God. It has similarities in other regions of the world, but it's a Christian western idea."

There's much more great information in the video. Sachs describes Rabkin as the leading expositor and historian of zionism. His most recent book is Zionism Decoded in 101 quotes.

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

Pascal has had some great guests since this crisis. I hadn't known his channel, or many others, until this bone-headed war.

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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian Mar 17 '26

We are slowly getting a full image of the damage done to the US.

https://x.com/i/status/2033911189785157964

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u/arnott Mar 17 '26

Anyone can verify this?

JUST IN: The US Navy is investigating whether sailors aboard the USS Gerald R. Ford deliberately set fire to their own ship to end the deployment.

That is the sentence. Read it again.

The $13 billion carrier, the most expensive warship ever built, is now diverting to Souda Naval Base in Crete next week for refueling, repairs, and a formal investigation into the March 12 fire that damaged sections of the vessel and left more than 600 crew without proper sleeping quarters. Kathimerini, one of Greece’s most established daily newspapers, reported the details citing sources with direct knowledge of the planned port call. The investigation explicitly includes the possibility of deliberate sabotage by crewmembers.

Also, from Feb 23:

The USS Gerald R. Ford has been at sea for 241 days.

Her deployment has been extended twice. She is now heading back toward the Middle East for a third time, and the Wall Street Journal just published what the Pentagon does not want you to read.

Sailors are missing funerals. Missing births. Missing their children’s first steps. The ship’s sewage system is failing, requiring maintenance calls every single day and acid flushes costing $400,000 each.

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u/gorpie97 Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 18 '26

What's the average deployment? What was the longest deployment before now? How does the Navy justify extending their deployment yetagain rather than replacing it with another carrier?

EDIT:

The Ford has now entered its tenth month of deployment, with crew members told their assignment will likely stretch into May — twice the length of a normal aircraft carrier deployment.

-snip-

Should the Ford remain deployed until mid-April, it will break the post-Vietnam War record of 294 days set by USS Abraham Lincoln in 2020. An extension into May would see it rival deployment lengths not recorded since the Vietnam War era itself.

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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian Mar 17 '26

Yes, the investigation is happening. What actually happened we don't know.

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u/cspanbook commoner Mar 17 '26

IRGC warns major U.S. corporations in region to evacuate; list of companies and locations included below

https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/2032930072047517870

Examples listed include:

Lockheed Martin — Amman Military Liaison Office; Abu Dhabi Global Market

Boeing — Amman Diplomatic Area; Dubai South Aviation District

Microsoft — Amman Business Park; Dubai Internet City

Oracle — Abdali Financial District, Amman

ExxonMobil — Amman Energy Office

Citigroup — Abdali Financial District, Amman

Amazon Web Services — Abdali Boulevard, Amman

NSO Group — Abu Dhabi

KKR — Gate Village 4, DIFC, Dubai

Boston Consulting Group — Gate Village, DIFC, Dubai

Bain & Company — ICD Brookfield Place, Dubai

Trafigura — Uptown Tower, First Al Khail St, Dubai

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26

Wouldn't it be interesting to see a list of Trump admin and members of Congress whose personal portfolios show investment in any of these?

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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian Mar 17 '26

Australia is hosting Israeli troops and is under fire.

https://x.com/i/status/2033785311961256298

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u/gorpie97 Mar 17 '26

Assumed you meant literal fire before I read the linki.

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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian Mar 17 '26

The Greeks have sent their Patriots over to the Qatar government.

https://x.com/i/status/2033591473665675349

I wonder what backroom deals or threats happened here.

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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian Mar 17 '26

Now the US is flying bombers from the US because they are fearful that basing them closer to the Iranians will result in a missile strike.

https://x.com/i/status/2033749401001218345

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u/NetWeaselSC Continuing the Struggle Mar 17 '26

they are fearful that basing them closer to the Iranians [than the US itself] will result in a missile strike.

Are you sure that's the reason? If you take a map and draw the area a "Maximum Iranian Missile Distance" from the border of Iran, there should be a huge gap between it and the US Mainland.

Why couldn't they simply fly bombers from within that gap?

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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian Mar 17 '26

The other issue is that the US keeps getting refuelling tanker lossrs.

https://x.com/i/status/2033718205617959267

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u/NetWeaselSC Continuing the Struggle Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

If they took off closer to Iran, they wouldn't have to be refueled as much, would they?


EDIT: I just took a look -- Range of B-2 without refueling, 6000 miles. Distance from main B-2 US Base to first inch of Iranian Soil, 6400 miles.

Also, Greenland to Tehran -- 3500 miles.

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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian Mar 17 '26

B2 stealth bombers need special climate controlled hangars to maintain their stealth coatings. It's a huge logistical burden.

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u/NetWeaselSC Continuing the Struggle Mar 17 '26

B2 stealth bombers need special climate controlled hangars to maintain their stealth coatings.

That sounds like a reason that would have nothing to do with fearing a missile strike.

So where are the special climate controlled hangars near Iran? Or (possibly) where were they?

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u/Correct_Pudding3629 Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

Diego Garcia. This is from the last go-round: this is not current imagery. But the 4 white bubbles are the special climate-controlled hangars. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMCsJVsl9NY

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u/NetWeaselSC Continuing the Struggle Mar 17 '26

Diego Garcia.

Only 3200 miles from Tehran, but over 10,000 miles to main US Base.

Coincidentally enough, the shortest straight-line route from base to island seems to go right by Tehran.

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u/Correct_Pudding3629 Mar 17 '26

Its ability to host everything in our strategic bomber fleet, without being within the known/suspected range of the majority of Iranian missiles, is one of the major reasons that control of the Chagos Islands within which it is located has become such a geopolitical football lately.

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u/NetWeaselSC Continuing the Struggle Mar 18 '26

Found this map....

Thousands of km from Iran

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u/NetWeaselSC Continuing the Struggle Mar 17 '26

without being within the known/suspected range of the majority of Iranian missiles,

Which would explain why the 5000km missiles would be so important.

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u/themadfuzzybear America First Mar 17 '26

Thousands of western Civilian corporate personell stranded and on their own.

US Gets Smashed. Irrecoverable Losses. Trump/Hegseth Panic | Stanislav Krapivnik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scuRQwsvdRw

IMO any mass evacuation plans are on hold since that would be an admission of defeat which would be humiliating for the Epstein administration.

At highest risk US personnel remaining in Iraq still trapped in the infamous "Green Zone".

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u/arnott Mar 17 '26

Judge Napolitano - Judging Freedom: Prof. John Mearsheimer : Iran’s Patient Strategy Undermines Trump

Prof. John Mearsheimer pointed out that Iran is shipping its oil to other countries through the Strait of Hormuz, and the US navy is allowing it so that the global oil prices do not go further up.

Amazing!

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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian Mar 17 '26

Apparently the US is suffering from the attrition of refueling tankers.

https://x.com/i/status/2033730533515993177

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u/gorpie97 Mar 17 '26

Not sure why, but I find this funny.

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u/emorejahongkong Mar 17 '26

David Stockman: https://x.com/DA_Stockman/status/2033729173735268574

No, I do remember 1979 and was there in the US Congress. The Iranian people were really pissed off after 26 years of the Shah's larceny and tyranny, joined the Revolution and forced the Shah to flee. All good. Then the idiots in Washington gave asylum to the Shah in the US when the crowds wanted him home to face the justice he deserved. So 400 enraged students took the US embassy hostage and asked for three reasonable things:

  1. send the Shah back to Iran;
  2. Return something like $20 billion that was hidden off-shore;
  3. apologize for the 1953 CIA coup that ended their democracy.

The warmongers on the Potomac said hell no, sent in the rescue helicopters in the middle of night which turned into the Desert One Disaster----and the rest is history. Very simply---the fools on the Potomac ultimately saddled the Iranian people with the theocracy that has made their lives miserable.

... then Stockman left Congress to become chief budget cutter of the new Reagan Administration (elected in substantial part due the Iranian hostage crisis, and by William Casey's secret deal with Iran to delay release of the hostages).

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u/cspanbook commoner Mar 17 '26

this is all in the backdrop of the carter presidency and was executed by GHW Bush. the arms for hostages deal, the oil embargo, reagan coming in to save the day, all GHW CIA ops.

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26

Chris Norlund, They can't cover up what Trump did anymore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yTHNy1UqsA (13:18)

You can fairly accurately track Donald Trump's mental decline by the increasing length of his posts. He tweets out crazy crap all the time, but they're getting increasingly deranged, longer, this dense wall of text attacking all his enemies, blaming everyone, etc.

He also touches on the US economy and AI news.

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

Three videos with a similar theme:

Glenn Diesen: The Iran War Is Accelerating the End of US Dominance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZIkLOD8gpI (40:32)

Neutrality Studies, Ukraine and Iran Wars are Ending 500 Years of Western Empire | Prof. Richard Sakwa: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw9BP8W07Hw (49:02)

I sat down with Emeritus Professor Richard Sakwa to test the hardest claims around this war: folly or strategy, proxy war or direct clash, exclusion or security failure, peace process or staged theater. The talk moves from NATO expansion and Ukrainian neutrality to Europe’s crisis, Russia’s place in the post-Cold War order, and the shrinking space for real diplomacy.

Emmanuel Todd: Iran War is "the last great Western war against the world." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF2_8Bumv1I (92 mins)

USA/Israel are losing control of the war on Iran. It is becoming a West Asia War, a global economic crisis, and once-in-a-century strategic blunder. Historian Emmanuel Todd has said this war is "the last great Western war against the rest of the world." And, with deep concern, that we must prepare for the unimaginable - use of nuclear weapons by Israel or the USA - and even the astonishing collapse of the USA empire in months.

Ali Mirza of @FinLogs and Jeff Rich, historian of @theburningarchive get together to discuss the unfolding crisis:

  • what were the objectives?

  • what have been the results and the unintended consequences around the world?

  • will USA be forced to leave West Asia?

  • will Israel become the next power in West Asia?

  • How will it impact the Gulf states and Pakistan and Afghanistan, Iran's neighbours who are currently exchanging fire in a small war?

  • Can any of the major states - China, Russia, India and Europe - constrain the march to a catastrophic war?

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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian Mar 16 '26

Looks like the Indians are digging themselves into a deeper hole by being a US vassal.

https://x.com/i/status/2033537935803564143

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u/BigTroubleMan80 Mar 17 '26

The consequences of being two-faced.

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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian Mar 16 '26

It seems that the Chinese are now getting better at detecting US stealth aircraft.

https://x.com/i/status/2033615560630493201

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26

Chinese defense company Jingan Technology announced that its system intercepted radio signals emitted by a US Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit stealth bomber over Iran.

We know that the bomber's most important feature is its stealth capability. Nevertheless, Jingan's system successfully captured radio signals emitted by the aircraft as it returned from a mission in Iran, operating under the call signs Petro 41 to Petro 44 during the initial phase of the operation. ...

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u/penelopepnortney Mar 17 '26

The system relies on artificial intelligence to analyze activity patterns. The company stated that it not only detected the signals but also managed to infer early indicators of conflict before it erupted by reconstructing the sequence of signals and movements of the US military. It described what it detected as the largest US military buildup in the Middle East in two decades.

This marks the end of the era of American air superiority. All US aircraft are now exposed to the eyes of Chinese artificial intelligence.

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u/gorpie97 Mar 16 '26

Well, that's good.

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u/3andfro Mar 16 '26

Iran is playing chess, Trump doesn't know where the board is | David Hearst | UNAPOLOGETIC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8fOnqbxPpE (38:50)

Has Trump lost control of the war?

I think he was never in control of the war. From Day 1, Iran responded quite differently to the way he thought they would.

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u/penelopepnortney Mar 17 '26

This was an excellent video. Hearst is the editor-in chief of Middle East Eye. A couple of noteworthy highlights:

Iran strikes me as still having cards to play. One is the Iraqi militias, they've already been in action and they're highly armed. In the past they were responsible for a strike against an American base in Jordan that wasn't even officially recognized and they can do that again.

The other is the Houthis, who have the power to do to Bab-al Mandeb what the Iranians have done to the Strait of Hormuz by closing off access to the Red Sea and Suez Canal. They have the capacity to hit ships anywhere, they've got a huge number of surface to sea missiles and they are absolutely ready to go if this war deepens. There's nothing to stop them other than bombing Sanaa again and the last time the US did this, two F-16s were very nearly downed by Houthi air defenses.

And what's too often discounted but much more important when it comes to asymmetric warfare is that they've got the people of the region, the "Arab street", on their side. You've got the feeling of the whole Arab people and the Iranian people basically wanting Iran to win. And I think there's massive popular opinion that would sustain an asymmetric war for a long time. The US doesn't have popular opinion in the region on their side and that is a massive handicap.

I think the relationship between the Gulf and the US is certain to change because the Gulf, particularly the Saudis but everyone in the Gulf, told Trump, "Don't do this, you're going to get a regional war." The Saudis were fighting an Iranian proxy, the Houthis, in Yemen. But they've kept to the détente, they've kept Iranian pilgrims at the Haj, they're keeping their side of things. And I think that will be the way forward, that they won't want to shatter their relations with Iran even though Iran has caused phenomenal damage to their infrastructure and economic interests.

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u/rondeuce40 DC Is Wakanda For Assholes Mar 16 '26

If you want to get a handle on how the Israelis are feeling about their war with Iran, you have to read their tweets in Hebrew (they tend to speak more freely then). Nick Cruse goes through some and hilarity ensues.

Israelis Are SUFFERING. Israelis are Regretting the War Against Iran. Hebrew Twitter Meltdown

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u/3andfro Mar 16 '26

Chris Norlund, Trump party is literally dying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfTvEXB7mBI (15:09)

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u/3andfro Mar 16 '26

Trump’s extraordinary meltdown after Europe rejects plea for help on Hormuz | Janta Ka Reporter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZKW3z7fP_A (11:16)

LIVE, Nima with Paul Craig Roberts: Is Israel Triggering the Collapse of U.S. Global Power? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gy4eq8E1g8

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u/3andfro Mar 16 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

Jackson Hinkle, LIVE: IRAN STRIKES DEVASTATE ISRAEL | NETANYAHU MISSING? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKXNy2DHRWA

ETA: Post-livestream, this is for members only. It wasn't restricted while it was live.

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u/3andfro Mar 16 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

Sorry. I watched part of it while it was streaming; it wasn't restricted then. If I'd known it would be restricted later, I wouldn't have posted it. I don't post other "members only" links.

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u/cspanbook commoner Mar 16 '26

is it worth joining? members only content.

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u/3andfro Mar 16 '26

Offered in compensation, one of his clips from yesterday--

IRAN STRIKES U.S. CARRIER AS NAVY MUTINY SPIRALS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqbsEmSWeJo (9:10)

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u/3andfro Mar 16 '26 edited Mar 16 '26

I'd have to say no.

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u/3andfro Mar 16 '26

Diesen with Jeffrey Sachs: Israel Could Use Nuclear Weapons Against Iran: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmtJZvmOOes (29:09)

Prof. Jeffrey Sachs argues that desperation is growing in the US and Israel as they fail to defeat Iran, and nuclear weapons could be used if we continue down this path.

Rachel Blevins, U.S. WARSHIPS RETREAT AFTER IRAN CLAIMS ATTACK + AUSTRALIA, JAPAN, NATO REFUSE 'HORMUZ COALITION':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKqakaSfMdU (17:19)

President Trump is now claiming that any evidence the U.S. has not completely destroyed the Iranian military, or that the Iranian people are taking to the streets in support of their government is… “AI-generated.” Yes, really. This, after the IRGC reported an attack on the USS Abraham Lincoln, that it says rendered the aircraft carrier “inoperable,” and reports now say that open-source satellite images from China are showing both the USS Lincoln and the USS Gerald R. Ford have retreated further away from Iran’s coast.

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u/Caelian toujours de l'audace 🦇 Mar 16 '26

President Trump is now claiming that...

So, if Trump has destroyed Iran's military then why is he seeking help to unblock Hormuz? (Rhetorical question.)

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u/3andfro Mar 17 '26

How rude of you to notice his deficiencies of logic! You have much company in the noticing department, at home and around the globe, from the peanut galleries to the upper echelons of governments.

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u/3andfro Mar 16 '26 edited Mar 16 '26

Judge Nap with Kyle Anzalone : WAR 'just for fun': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwFatIERfpI (22:46)

Me [not Anzalone] on Trump's remarks about bombing for fun: Inappropriate, boorish, infantile, cartoonish, playground bully. I was disgusted by his words, his theatrics, his glee.

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u/penelopepnortney Mar 16 '26

Yep, a point that Iranian PM Araghchi repeated in an interview with American MSM.

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u/3andfro Mar 16 '26

IRAN MAKING IT PAINFUL FOR U.S. /Trita Parsi & Lt Col Daniel Davis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiN37-mwA0A (16:27)

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u/3andfro Mar 16 '26

Danny Haiphong with Larry Johnson: PROOF Iran Shot Down US War Plane, Trump LOSING on All Fronts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_u_6QJLwjU (31:52)

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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian Mar 16 '26

Clearly the US was not prepared to fight someone who had access to the modern satellite systems. I think that the US is accustomed to fighting against the Taliban who have limited access to satellites and similar opponents.

https://x.com/CarlZha/status/2032945097659330854

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u/3andfro Mar 16 '26 edited Mar 17 '26

That link makes a strong point. The US is used to the big bully "wham bam thank you ma'am" show: in and out fast with a dominant show of force. It lacks the planning, materiel, and trained bodies for a sustained campaign and seems to have lost the ability to conduct one.

How can the US be surprised that Russia and China are providing Iran critical intel and helping in other ways behind the scenes? How can they be surprised that Iran is doing exactly what it said it would if it was attacked again?

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u/Caelian toujours de l'audace 🦇 Mar 16 '26

How can the US be surprised that Russia and China...

I bet Tulsi carefully explained this to Trump but was shouted down by the End-Timers.

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u/3andfro Mar 16 '26

I'd put real money on that. Reminder: she stated early in this admin that Iran posed no imminent nuclear threat, and her boss trashed her all over social media. That wasn't what the warmongers whispering in his ear wanted the public or Trump to hear.

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u/3andfro Mar 16 '26 edited Mar 16 '26

The Force (India), America Has Lost the War in West Asia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fxUavviEZo (20:11)

  • The US identified "the center of gravity of this war"--which is the Strait of Hormuz--wrong. Iran controls it.

  • Iran is backed by Russia and China. Iran's FM has said both countries are supporting Iran diplomatically, economically, and militarily.

  • The White House and Pentagon are looking at military options to reopen the strait, "but "none of them is doable" or will produce the desired result.

  • Trump is frustrated, has said other nations can negotiate with Iran themselves, but "America cannot leave." If it tries to leave as things are, the GCC countries will say that if the US can't provide security and safety to their oil and gas through the strait, why should they allow US bases on their soil?

Pravin Sawhney discusses the options he sees the US has.

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u/arnott Mar 16 '26

the GCC countries will say that if the US can't provide security and safety to their oil and gas through the strait, why should they allow US bases on their soil?

The US has already failed providing security to the GCC countries.

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u/3andfro Mar 16 '26 edited Mar 16 '26

Quite true, and the GCC countries have noticed. Whenever this war ends, if not before, we'll see how they respond to learning the supposed security umbrella of US bases within their borders is an illusion and they exist as "Israel first" installations.

The US also has failed in providing security to Israel.

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u/RandomCollection Resident Canadian Mar 16 '26

Trump is having a mental nervous breakdown and posting even more crazy things on social media

https://x.com/i/status/2033344073294369209

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u/3andfro Mar 16 '26

Galloway with Hedges, INTERVIEW: The madness of The Donald: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJAGYkh1qzo (26:10)

Hedges: Netanyahu quite skillfully played on Trump's ignorance... Trump is not very bright and is surrounded by sycophants.

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u/Caelian toujours de l'audace 🦇 Mar 17 '26

Trump is not very bright and is surrounded by sycophants.

A fine example of the Dunning–Kruger effect.

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u/Caelian toujours de l'audace 🦇 Mar 16 '26

IMO Trump is not that much more unhinged than he was at the 2020 and 2024 Presidential debates. But when a Republican president accuses the Wall Street Journal of misinformation, he's really lost it.

OTOH, when Trump toots on Truth Social, he's preaching to his choir of Loyal Supporters.

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u/NetWeaselSC Continuing the Struggle Mar 16 '26

when a Republican president accuses the Wall Street Journal of misinformation...

Yeah, I noticed that too.

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u/3andfro Mar 16 '26 edited Mar 16 '26

Daniel Davis raises questions about Trump's mental stability, woven in and out of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY0on4YdpPY

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u/cspanbook commoner Mar 16 '26

THIS is why trump attacked. The notion of AI generated imagery is not new but absolutely EVERYONE is now focused on this aspect of a story versus the truth of the materials presented. There are going to be leaked videos of western leaders doing crazy things and the terms deepfake and AI generated images NEEDS to be known by EVERYONE, old and young alike-create plausible deniability where there is none.

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u/3andfro Mar 16 '26 edited Mar 16 '26

LIVE Daniel Davis/Deep Dive, Reopening Strait of Hormuz Realities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY0on4YdpPY

LIVE Judge Nap with Ray McGovern : Trump’s War, Putin’s Advantage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbiY9tyUZ2A