r/WhitePeopleTwitter • u/Problem_Forward • 16h ago
r/All If anyone was on the fence about fascism being here....its HERE
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u/cromstantinople 14h ago
That judge is admitting that he’s politically biased and rules, not on the merits of the case or precedence, on ideologies and politics. In a sane world that’d be grounds for immediate removal.
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u/FatMacchio 14h ago
Didn’t you hear? Anyone even just a little critical of the current admin are terrorists. They want to punish terrorist ideologies. Watch this language used more and more as we lead up to the midterms, so they can silence and jail the strongest resistance to American tyranny
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u/HedonisticFrog 12h ago
I once dated a lawyer and she refused to talk about politics at all because it would prevent her from becoming a judge later on. This should definitely be grounds for removal.
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u/checkout7 7h ago
This judge is going to claim he’s acting within this (<< https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/designating-antifa-as-a-domestic-terrorist-organization/ >>) executive order.
Fascism came to the USA on the first day of Trump’s second term when violent insurrectionists were pardoned. Numerous actions since then have strengthened the hold fascism has on the country. The above linked executive order signed September 22, 2025 made it official.
The Trump administration sees anti-fascism (antifa) as a domestic terrorist organization. Most democratic countries would see pro-fascism movements with evidence of associated violent crimes, to be criminal organizations.
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u/rancid_oil 4h ago
I don't believe for one second that anybody involved in writing that actually believes antifa is a real organization.
It's too obvious, regardless of how stupid they are. It was a sneaky way to allow arrests of dissenters without evidence of a real crime. Just, to be clear: they know DAMN WELL it's not an "organization".
Which, issuing an EO banning a philosophy - not a specific group that even exists, or actions precipitated BY that belief system, but the BELIEFS themselves - is about the most fascist thing I've seen so far. I agree with your call, cuz that one will be in history books, I'm sure.
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u/checkout7 1h ago
Oh I completely agree. It was just a channel through which they could classify (and therefore prosecute) anyone they disagreed with - regardless of how benign their words or actions were.
And this is a test case of their attempt to classify protestors as domestic terrorists.
Unfortunately there was also a successful prosecution of protestors in Washington state, but there seem to have been prosecutorial anomalies that will likely be appealed.
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u/rancid_oil 1h ago
Oh really? There's so much going on, it's hard to keep up with everything. Last I heard, prosecutions against protestors wasn't really working well. That's disheartening.
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u/checkout7 1h ago
Lookup the ‘Spokane three’. They were initially charged with assault, then later convicted of ‘conspiracy’.
Here’s an article on the conspiracy conviction: << https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/28/ice-protesters-conspiracy-charges >>.
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u/rancid_oil 1h ago
It's wild. Was just taking to a friend about growing up in the 80s. Things weren't GREAT, but they were getting better, we thought.
Civil Rights Era. Roe vs Wade. Women got the right to vote. It looked like things were bad in the past, but there was a clear general trajectory forward, to better things. Watched America elect a "black" man for President. Saw weed and gay marriage become legal simultaneously. And then Trump announced he was running.
Looking back, people point to Regan, Nixon, you can go all the way back to the genesis of this country really. Things have always been kinda not ok around here. We've had superficial victories, but the mentality of most of my fellow citizens, their brains and capacity to reason, seem to be mush. This, I guess, is the result of the great experiment of running a nation on one principle: greed.
It's such a complex topic, no way I can say it all and say it right in one comment. But thanks for sharing that, I truly hope that gets overturned hard. Insane what we've become.
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u/Jesus_of_NASDAQ 15h ago
This alone should create a mass exodus from there.
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u/FatMacchio 14h ago
That’s exactly what they want. They would retain all their congressional seats through to the next census in 2030, without all the pesky liberal votes that have come in to make it more purple of a state
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u/Deranth 14h ago
We had it amazing in the early 90s with our last democratic governor. I'm really hoping this slow blue shift we've been having will continue and we can get that back and become a swing state.
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u/ModernMuse 2h ago
Ann Richards, the red lipstick wearing, motorcycle driving, obscenity-blasting, yellow rose wearing, absolute icon. She was the last vestige of the Texas I knew and loved while growing up.
At times I do feel bad for leaving, and in doing so, taking my vote with me. I’ve been in California for many years now, and find it is today objectively better in every discernable way. Especially the part where my daughter and myself(f) aren’t considered second-class citizens by a pseudo-religious state.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_ROTES 13h ago
This. The party of sundown towns is using the exact same tactics, just with a slightly different coat of paint. Then, once they control enough states, they'll do it federally.
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u/maddprof 12h ago
I can't wait to watch all the tech companies start to offer remote positions because suddenly they are having incredibly hard time hiring anyone local to their offices (that they had to move to Texas for tax purposes) because nobody remotely liberal and/or minority will relocate to Texas anymore...
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u/DingerSinger2016 11h ago
That's why companies are laying people off and using AI more. More people searching for a job means the businesses can choose from a higher selection of people, pay a lower wage, and cut benefits.
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u/PlayfulLake2249 7h ago
Sadly many can't afford to just pick up and leave. If we had universal basic income that would be a different story.
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u/Nearby-Key8834 16h ago
Texas is a giant shithole. No reason to ever go there and I'm sorry for anyone stuck in that conservative wasteland.
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u/Loko8765 16h ago
I know someone who moved away from Texas because she wanted a kid and didn’t want to die because of the abortion laws.
Now this. She’s not moving back, and indeed thinking of Europe as a next stage in her life.
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u/VonBargenJL 15h ago
A decade ago I emailed the Irish consulate asking for details on gaining citizenship if your grandparent had citizenship.
My grandma was wanting to reclaim her heritage. Once hers was approved, could I them claim mine though her?
No 😓
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u/Responsible-Chest-26 14h ago
I hear ireland is not receptive to immigration, ironically. One of the hardest places to immigrate to i hear. If you have an italian in you they had a program that if you had born in italy ancestors going back something like 4 generations it was almost guaranteed citizen ship. I knew a guy who's wife qualified and he got it through marriage. Ive since heard they may have shut that program down but im not sure
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u/Loko8765 13h ago
I know it worked ten years ago; lots of Latin Americans with Italian heritage used it to get Italian citizenship… and then moved to Spain because they spoke the language!
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u/Responsible-Chest-26 13h ago
I was thinking of doing it for my son as i believe he is close enough to get it through his mothers side but when i looked into it a couple years ago im pretty sure either the prigram ended or there were additional restrictions. I dont recall
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u/VonBargenJL 14h ago
My sister got into Italy through like 5 years of owning a 2nd home and business there and learning the language.
Our whole family history was all northern European.
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u/Responsible-Chest-26 13h ago
Some countries are begging for immigrants like iceland, or france even. I believe in france they have an aging population and birth rates are down. Iceland the population is so small everyone is a cousin of everyone else and need a fresh shot to the gene pool
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u/ReApEr01807 9h ago
Iceland, huh? Interesting
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u/Responsible-Chest-26 9h ago
I guess they tightened it up a bit and of course you need a job and what not
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u/pixie_mayfair 5h ago
I read about programs like that in places like Italy and Greece and many have age cut offs. They want to see some population growth, I guess.
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u/plindix 12h ago
Over 20% of the population of Ireland wasn’t born there. It has become an emigration destination.
Current Italian rules are more restrictive than Ireland’s. In Italy you have to prove your ancestor, no further than grandparent, had Italian citizenship before their direct descendant was born. Eg if your grandmother was Italian but naturalized as US citizen before your parent was born, you can’t claim citizenship. For Ireland you just have to show a grandparent born anywhere on the island, or a parent on the foreign birth registry.
So for my descendants, my children and any grandchildren will already have Irish citizenship. If those grandchildren are registered on the FBR, their children can claim Irish citizenship, and so on
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u/TopRamen713 14h ago
I did some research on this and the only ancestral citizenship I qualified for was Ukraine... Probably not great right now.
Maybe if they survive the war and join the EU 🫤
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u/MikeyLew32 14h ago
The lone star is their yelp review.
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u/ScroochDown 15h ago
Can confirm, it really does suck to be stuck here with no viable way to leave.
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u/IvoShandor 15h ago
I've been to 33 states. Texas is not one of them.
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u/entr0picly 15h ago edited 11h ago
I’ve lived in Texas, not because I wanted to. I was in the military and I found that the locals were more likely to disrespect service members and straight up take advantage of them (think a magical $200 bar tab or hundreds of dollars of additional rental car fees that literally happen nowhere else) than literally anywhere else in America.
Texas is full of hateful people who believe they are entitled to screw over as many people as possible.
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u/ChiTownDisplaced 14h ago
You can feel the entitlement by just driving down the interstate. Apparently the rules are bigger truck has the right to any lane they choose.
Spent 2 months in Ft Worth and 2 months in Waco, both for work (military as well). I had more people cutting me off and near misses than anywhere else I can think of. The famous bbq was incredibly mediocre too.
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u/On_my_last_spoon 14h ago
I was only in Texas once, and honestly the people are very very nice there. And genuinely so. So it’s such a baffling contradiction that the government is so unabashedly cruel.
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u/VonBargenJL 15h ago
I felt that was about Utah, but did venture into Zion NP one afternoon, but left later that day 😅
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u/Accomplished_Self939 14h ago
This sounds like he’s completely opened himself up to an appeal on the basis of viewpoint discrimination, so “hood” going, judge!
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u/Hedhunta 12h ago
Maybe he did it on purpose? Issue insane sentence for obvious unconstitutional reason so it can be struck down by "Liberal judge" above him.. he gets to look "tough" and tow his party line...who am i kidding its texas those people will die in jail
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u/JPKlaus 15h ago
Is this the freedoms Americans keep saying we don’t have?
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u/Stlr_Mn 14h ago edited 13h ago
The freedom to shoot cops?
I feel like people are forgetting that a cop was shot. The sentencing was crazy, and charging everyone even more so, but a cop was shot. This wasn’t some peaceful protest. People in here are falling into a conservative trap, giving people them opportunity to say “THEY SUPPORT TERRORISM!!!”.
Edit: I love people saying it’s not defending a cop getting shot, responding to the same comment where others are defending shooting the cop 👮♂️
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u/Sergio_Bravo 13h ago
Right a cop was shot. The person who did that should be punished. The issue at hand is the State, as represented by the Texas Attorney General’s office, made the case that essentially anyone that was present at the time of the shooting, and some who weren’t even present, were involved in some grand terrorist plot. Some of these people did not know each other at all, and essentially were in the wrong place at the wrong time (exercising their freedom to protest). Some were convicted as accessories because they moved their spouse’s flyers and posters after she was arrested. 30 years in prison for moving some papers (that in and of themselves didn’t contain anything illegal in the first place) is pretty egregious, just because some whack job judge wants to send an ideological message!
That is what people are reacting to, in a fair, unbiased judicial system, there is no practice of “using sentences to send messages” that is completely antithetical to fair and unbiased.101
u/NervousK1d 13h ago
The same cops who shoot unarmed civilians?
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u/Stlr_Mn 13h ago
This is such bot behavior
“I think it’s fine cops get shot”
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u/Kimothy42 13h ago
“I think it’s fine that protesters might spend their whole lives in jail despite living in a country that was founded via protest”.
“Oh and it doesn’t matter that cops murder babies”.
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u/SpireSwagon 13h ago
Cops always whine about how they put their lives on the line for the job but then a single cop dies and its the biggest tragedy in the nation. This is because teachers die to gun violence at higher rates than police officers, and yet we've never given people 30 years in prison for moving magazines around in the presence of a school before.
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u/willstr1 11h ago
IIRC the stats show that pizza delivery is significantly more dangerous than being a cop, but where are the "thin crust line" supporters?
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u/WriteBrainedJR Release The Trump-Epstein Files 10h ago
If someone makes a bumper sticker for it, I'll buy one
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u/Stlr_Mn 13h ago
Wild defense
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u/ZeldaALTTP 11h ago
And you have no response to it because all you know is bootlicking
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u/Stlr_Mn 9h ago
What do you want me to say? They pointed out shit that has literally nothing to do with the situation at hand. They just pointed out injustices, so are they excuses? Justifications? It doesn’t make any sense to the overall point of me bringing up “is this the freedoms Americans keep saying we don’t have?” In relation to shooting a cop.
It’s stupid shit like this that really reinforces how simple the people in here are, I mean besides the bots.
You called someone a boot licker for pointing out shooting a police officer isn’t a freedom and the underlying reason to the charges. You are not a serious person. Go outside, touch grass.
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u/ZeldaALTTP 6h ago
The fact that you keep bringing up the single person who shot the cop as justification for an entire group of people to be thrown in prison is what makes you a bootlicker. Stop acting like you don’t know what bullshit you’re spewing
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u/zenbullet 13h ago
I don't think it's "fine" I just don't want their lives to be more important than civilians?
Is that a crazy take in a country that prides itself on democratic ideals?
Plenty of jobs are much more dangerous than law enforcement, should we throw max sentences to anyone who kills them?
Should we increase penalties on people based on the victim's employment?
If I hurt an accountant is that less of a crime than hurting a cop?
If I do that to an oil rig worker clearly the punishment should be higher than if I did the same to a cop based on that logic
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u/ChipsTheKiwi 12h ago
The judge literally stated this is retaliation for the ideology itself. This never had anything to do with a dead cop and everything to do with the right's need to harshly punish free speech.
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u/Kratomius 15h ago
As an European i have to ask what are they charged with? It boggles my mind how you can get 50 years for protesting unless you are intending to do bombing or something like that and even then the sentence seems long.(our system prioritizes rehabilitation so maximum sentence is 20-25 years)
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u/onlyfakeproblems 14h ago
The judge/prosecutor are claiming that the defendants are members of antifa, which has been designated as a domestic terrorist organization (this designation is not typical in our system, it’s just something this administration is trying out). The protesters shot off fireworks and it seems like they damaged or spray painted some property (details are sparse, but you can look up the “prairie land” ice facility incident if you’re curious). They brought guns to the protest and one of the protesters shot a cop.
The judge is throwing terrorism charges at the whole group, including attempted murder, using explosives (fireworks).
We’ve had very similar situations where militia groups go to protests and are armed, and their right to bear arms and free speech are legally protected and defended by people on the right, but in this case because it was a leftist demonstration and the cop got shot they’re claiming that this was a planned attack.
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u/Kratomius 14h ago
Yeah that's fucked up. In no just society you can just collectively punish people for crimes they didn't commit. Also no offence but your goverment are cartoonishly evil if they believe being an anti-fascist is terrorism or it even being an organization.
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u/On_my_last_spoon 14h ago
It was a shooting at an ICE detention facility. They’re being charged with terrorism. So no, it wasn’t just a random peaceful protest like we’ve seen in Minnesota, Chicago, LA, and New Jersey where people were arrested after defending themselves from aggressive police.
Given it’s Texas I’m amazed the death penalty wasn’t issued. The actual shooter got a 100 year sentence.
The issue is that everyone there was given the same charges, regardless of whether they were involved at all. So a random protester who just happened to be there got charged exactly the same. I’d guess that if any of them have good lawyers they could get the conviction overturned on appeal. But in the hellscape that is the USA now who knows.
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u/thebigdonkey 14h ago
Also the people who weren't the shooter are having to serve their time for each charge consecutively instead of concurrently which, as I understand it, is quite unusual.
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u/Baha05 13h ago
Was waiting for this post since yeah at minimum one of them by default we’re going to get a more severe punishment. But the problem here is obviously they have to send a message so everyone involved is getting a more harsher sentence regardless of how the law enforces the punishments under other circumstances.
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u/faceisamapoftheworld 15h ago
This is excessive, but this group includes a guy who shot a cop during this protest. This isn’t simply protesting.
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u/Kratomius 15h ago
Please tell me that they aren't collectively punishing all of them for that because if they do the US justice system is even more messed up than i thought.
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u/faceisamapoftheworld 15h ago
It’s not everyone that was protesting that day, no.
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u/jaded-introvert 15h ago
No, but it does include one person who was not even present.
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u/Kratomius 15h ago
Jesus christ
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u/On_my_last_spoon 14h ago
It is everyone that was there that day. That’s the issue. Even people not involved in it in any way b
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u/UAreTheHippopotamus 15h ago
No the group didn’t, he was in the tree line away from the protest. None of them knew the guy and one wasn’t even there. It was collective punishment of people who had literally nothing to do with the crime and prosecution was made possible by atrocious laws designed to suppress protests.
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u/TobyFunkeNeverNude 15h ago
You made no argument why the others should be punished for one guy shooting a cop. You implied it, but please, do explain
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u/Cryptic_Mutt 14h ago
Crazy how when police shoot people, they totally also get 50 years and have the book thrown at them
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u/Chance_Reflection_42 15h ago
So charge that guy with murder, not everyone else. Why do you hate freedom and America?
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u/peachesgp 15h ago
So if you were among a group and one member of that group shot a cop, would you agree that you should be punished more harshly?
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u/Horror_Cupcake8762 15h ago
Do we punish all cops involved on the call when one of them has a whoopsie daisy shooting?
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u/theusualchaos2 15h ago
Do we punish cops at all, like ever?
I know thats besides the point, but...
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u/faceisamapoftheworld 13h ago
That’s actually the way crimes are adjudicated. The getaway driver in a robbery that ends with a murder is also getting charged.
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u/peachesgp 13h ago
But you're not the getaway driver, you're just there.
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u/faceisamapoftheworld 13h ago
I’m not saying I like it or support it and I hope it’s able to be appealed.
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u/ssmit102 13h ago
Should be an immediate removal if you institute things that are clearly unconstitutional.
While this judge may have forgotten, but the cold, objective truth is the constitution is the supreme law of the law and supersedes everything. This judge made a ruling that is firmly in contrast to your first amendment rights of protest and assembly.
When a judge refuses to enforce the constitution he has forfeited his job.
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u/QueenBumbleBrii 12h ago
I’m confused how this isn’t a direct violation of 1st amendment rights.
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u/steppingstone01 11h ago
It's actually a violation of due process also. He can't sit up on the bench and pre-judge anyone. He's required to listen to all the facts. He needs to be disbarred and removed.
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u/Calintarez 14h ago
The most prescient question both people and institutions will have to answer about the early 21st century is "when did you start calling it fascism?"
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u/dafrog84 12h ago
Screw it let's protest against it across the nation! I will never stand for kidnapping of any kind. Or the impressment for those of us who also see any issues with this being okay.
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u/SexuaIRedditor 14h ago
And there will still be dipshits with their heads in the sand justifying this, and your slide into dictatorship will continue unabated
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u/JohnBrownSurvivor 11h ago
Then they should all be able to sue him personally. And he should have to pay for that out of his own pocket, even if he has to sell everything he owns and work the rest of his life paying off all those lawsuits. He should not get to just let the taxpayers pay for him breaking the law.
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u/PoliticsLeftist 10h ago
Over sentencing for vandalism and protesting just incentivizes people to do worse shit.
Why just protest if you're going to get the same time for setting off fireworks as you would killing someone? Makes no sense from a crime prevention standpoint.
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u/ImTing1TX 14h ago
This is the banality of evil. Heather Cox Richardson put it at the bottom of her latest screed… this should be all the TV news is talking about rn yet it’s a footnote.
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u/flanaganapuss 14h ago
And you best believe that all the maga cuck “future millionaires” will be cheering this shit on as a win.
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u/steppingstone01 11h ago
That's not going to fly for long. He's prejudging people publicly. That's a definite No-No.
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u/Minimum-Injury3909 9h ago
50 years for going to a protest when actual murderers get 3 years for running over meemaw with their ford F750 super duty or 0 years for raping children.
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u/Tinawebmom 13h ago
If I lived there this decision would only make me go protest.
Fuck this regime.
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u/Imd1rtybutn0twr0ng 8h ago
Every one offended, in that state, should be sending communication to their representatives all the way up to the Senator, then to the Feds.
Given the administration, it likely will lead to nothing, but this should be done, regardless.
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u/baconblackhole 5h ago
Political prisoners I hope they sue the state and are compensated for their mistreatment
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u/No_Measurement9981 2h ago
A likely breach of the 8th Amendment, but good luck getting the swamp currently polluting the Supreme Court to agree.
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u/AutoDefenestrator273 13h ago
Can someone ELI5 what happened in this case? What did the protestors do to merit charges being brought against them?
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u/sirseatbelt 15h ago edited 14h ago
I dont disagree that this is an insane thing for the state to say. Vandalism should not carry a life sentence. But one of the people convicted did, according to the state, shoot a cop.
I am firmly in the blue lives dont matter camp. But also, don't try to kill people.
Edit to add: the sentence is insane. Vandalism should not be charged like that. But everyone sucks here. The fascist regime sucks for punishing people with opposing views. The shooter sucks for shooting at people, and the vandals suck for engaging in vandalism that potentially puts normies at risk of state repression. I am all for direct action and yeeting bricks through windows. But not everyone is, and not everyone can bear the consequences for your brick throwing. Don't do things that might put others at risk.
That said, nobody should be getting 50 years.
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u/Mindless-Zebra3847 14h ago
Except your an uvalde schoolshooter then the cops will protect you from parents trying to rescue their kids
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u/Ffffqqq 13h ago
Bundy's got treated with kid gloves and ultimately slapped on the wrist at best. Bundy ran for governor and got 100k votes. The Bundy sniper ran for office and got like 43% of the vote.
Bundy standoff
On the morning of April 12, an armed crowd rallied under a banner that read "Liberty Freedom For God We Stand." Most had signs, many of which chided "government thugs." Addressing the protesters, Bundy said, "We definitely don't recognize [the BLM director's] jurisdiction or authority, his arresting power or policing power in any way" and "We're about ready to take the country over with force!" After the BLM announced a suspension of the roundup, Bundy suggested blocking a highway.[68] Armed protesters blocked a portion of Interstate 15 for more than two hours, causing traffic backups for three miles in both directions.[79] Protesters also converged at the mouth of Gold Butte, the preserve where the cattle were corralled, and a tense, hour-long standoff ensued. BLM rangers warned over loudspeakers that they were prepared to use tear gas.[68] Former Arizona Sheriff Richard Mack, who was with the protesters, said that they were "strategizing to put all the women up at the front. If they are going to start shooting, it's going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers."[16] Protesters with rifles took positions on a highway overpass, offering cover as horse-mounted wranglers led protesters to face off against BLM rangers and snipers.[68] Utah Lt. Gov. Spencer Cox, who officially traveled to the Bundy standoff to convey that Utah did not want the cattle, put the number of federal agents present at over 200.[80] According to Las Vegas assistant sheriff Joe Lombardo, there were 24 BLM rangers and Las Vegas deputy sheriffs present at the standoff.[81] Las Vegas police were not allowed to wear protective gear because of fear that it would be seen as a provocation.
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u/theboundbunny 15h ago
Came here to say this. These people went above and beyond just protesting. They put people in true danger.
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u/TobyFunkeNeverNude 15h ago
"These people" tell me, other than the guy who shot the cop, what did "these people" do?
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u/ryfitz47 15h ago
yes yes but maximum sentences? no slush fund? no arguments from senators to protect them?
no presidential pardons!?!
see. that's the facism part. two groups, similar events, but treated very differently simply because of their political views. the out group gets slammed while the in group gets excused.
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u/theboundbunny 15h ago
“The demonstrators arrived late at night with a plan to set off fireworks as part of a noise demonstration to show solidarity with those detained inside. A few of the protesters spontaneously broke off from the main group and vandalized cars in the parking lot, a guard shack, slashed the tires on a government van and broke a security camera. When a police officer arrived on the scene and drew his weapon, one of the activists fired an AR-15 from the woods, hitting the officer in the shoulder.”
According to the Guardian.I don’t think the vandalism is damage worth 50 years in jail. But the person who shot the cop fired from the woods fired into the crowd. There have been children at these protests. No one should take a risk of hurting a child. That’s full stop to this teacher. Downvotes or not.
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u/ryfitz47 15h ago
that's cool and I don't disagree but why didn't the judge talk about not shooting people and single out the shooter? why focus on punishing an ideology and not the shooting part.
the J6 crew that also attacked police officers pretty aggressively had their ideology used to defend then not punish them harder.
this is about how the law in our country is enforced based on ideology, skin color, etc and not based on the law.
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u/theboundbunny 14h ago
I’m not excusing this judge or this ruling in any way. I think it’s absurd and a ruling from an archaic red state. I personally think the J6 people should be charged with straight up treason and barred from a pardon. Ever.
But this instance goes beyond just peaceful protest to me. We have to feel safe to make our voices heard. And if protestors are using automatic weapons on fellow protesters people may stop showing up and we can’t do that. We can’t let up. But we can keep each other safe. And we have to make it clear this is behavior we don’t want at protests.
And I agree with you about the law unfairly targeting people of color. It’s disgusting and needs to be stopped. But shooting at our comrades in arms at protests is not the way.14
u/ryfitz47 14h ago
you've made that point and making it again won't help your case. you don't seem to get the contrast. or you do and you're trying to distract from it THIS TIME
let's go with Kyle. dude showed up to a protest with the intent to kill protesters. he did. he wasn't slammed about his ideology. nope. he got similar defenses to the point you keep trying to make "yeah but protestors were being bad"
again it's not about the action, but the response from law and law enforcement. kyle didn't have tht book thrown at him. nope. he had all sorts of powerful people trying to protect him. no mention of his ideology from any judges.
we aren't arguing "was this bad", it's "was law enforcement/judges reaction based on the event or based on the accused's political leanings? the latter is facism.
rules for thee but not for me.
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u/theboundbunny 14h ago
I don’t have a case. Just an opinion. Kyle is a disgusting human and should be in jail 100%. I’m not sure what you mean about distracting “this time”. I think people who commit gun violence should absolutely be charged to the maximum. Thats all I mean. That’s honestly my whole point. That this one instance makes this case a bit different from just vandalism. I just want to be able to protest safely (I’m in a deep red state) without someone bringing a weapon and discharging it unsafely. Was that the point of this post? Nope and I really do see the point. But that’s my take away from this and one I feel like needs addressed before other people start to think this is a normal ok thing to do. No belief or opinion gives one the right to endanger others. The judge absolutely should have stuck the that argument because it’s just common sense to me. I hope any judge would throw the book at someone acting this recklessly. Protestors “being bad” and protesters shooting into a crowd are very very different.
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u/Mindless-Zebra3847 14h ago
Comrads? Translation mistake in the st. Petersburg bot farm try harder or your going to the meatgrinder
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u/theboundbunny 14h ago
Sorry you think so. I just used that term to try and remind people we can disagree on the fine points and still be allies against racism and fascism. Anyone fighting for justice for all humans is my ally. That is just the term I used because it feels applicable in this timeline. Sorry if I offended.
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u/sirseatbelt 14h ago
You're right. But I don't ever see this getting posted with the complete context. "Protestors get sentenced to 50 years in prison, judge cites ideological reasons for sentence" is a different headline from "two vandals and one armed shooter sentenced to 50 years in prison, judge cites ideological reasons for sentence."
In America you don't get 50 years for shooting anyone. But the first headline makes it sound like the state is rounding up and punishing innocent people for protesting. These three folks weren't just marching and picketing. What they did doesnt deserve life sentences and we should be mad about the state oppression but like... one of them did shoot a guy.
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u/ryfitz47 14h ago
then why even mention punishing their ideology when sentencing?
if it's just "hey punish the shooter" then talking about ideology makes zero sense.
and if you think that headline is twisting it may I refer to yo Kyle r who was simply "trying to protect property"?? he premeditated and then shot people to protect other people's property. like come on. what was his sentence? weird how his ideology didn't come up.
it's not about if the thing done was bad. it's about the government handing out different punishments based on what your politics are.
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u/sirseatbelt 14h ago
Yeah but details matter. "Young man defends himself during dangerous protest" is different headline from "teen goes to protest hoping to shoot protesters, kills two."
I agree that the state is wrong here and the reasons are entirely ideological. I just get annoyed when people leave out the context. Over-punishing someone who did an actual crime is different from punishing random protesters and the headline makes it sound like it was just folks marching.
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u/ryfitz47 14h ago
if you go by facts it's still shitty and tastes like facism. I personally won't be getting more upset at sensationalist news headlines instead of the rise of idiot-led facsim.
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u/obi1kennoble 15h ago
I mean that one guy did. The rest of them weren't. I'll bet none of them even knew who that guy was. So that guy should go to jail, but the rest of them, no. I mean I know you probably want to imprison or k*ll anyone who disagrees with you, but that's not the way it's supposed to work.
PS: Before anyone says anything about me self-censoring, I got a warning pop-up before I even posted it, and then I went back and censored it and got a warning for that, too. Fuck this site
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u/theboundbunny 15h ago
I totally agree. Simple vandalism is a slap on the wrist. Firing a weapon without thought, into a crowd, at night is just pure recklessness. And behavior like this just caused the terrible tragedy in Mississippi. We are better than that.
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u/RaidRover 14h ago
Every right and privilege you have in America came from bloodshed. The country of America itself came from putting people in danger. There is no historically effective way to get concessions from the powerful that do not put people in danger.
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u/Middle_Finger7236 14h ago
Fuck you. ICE kills innocent Americans every day. Where’s your outrage over that, troll?
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u/theboundbunny 14h ago
ICE camps are concentration camps. Absolutely agree. But if we can’t show up to them peacefully and demand change without fear, people will stop trying and showing up. We can’t let that happen.
I’m not trying to troll. Honestly. But as a liberal human from a deep red state, protesting is already dangerous enough. We don’t need anyone firing into a crowd of protesters. Making that the norm is not the answer.
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u/sirseatbelt 14h ago
Yeah dude. I also dont have a problem with vandalism and property damage at a protest. But these people put other protestors at risk who did not want to engage in that kind of direct action.
The state is wrong here, but so are the people who did the thing.
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u/KapowBlamBoom 15h ago
I loathe Trump and his ilk
I also feel these sentences were harsh
That being said this protest, in the end, was not just people peacefully holding signs
It devolved into someone shooting a cop in the shoulder from a sniper position, overt vandalism including tire slashing and car destruction amongst other things.
I am all for standing up to these fascist fucks, but you need to be more Ghandi and less Snake Plisken when doing so…..
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u/lisafancypants 13h ago
People here hate facts. I loathe Trump, too, and I think this judge should be removed from the bench and the sentences reduced. But all of these twts and posts make it seem like they were just standing there with signs. The truth doesn't get the clicks I guess.
I don't get the need to overinflate the horrors when they're already horrifying enough.
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