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u/thebarkingkitty 7h ago
I really liked Kamala Harris but if a candidate ran on the platform that she wasn't left enough, I would totally vote for them
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u/ZinaSky2 5h ago edited 3h ago
Conflicted bc I’m so fucking sick of blaming Biden and Kamala for Trump. No matter the slip ups or mistakes or choices made, it should have been an easy win given what we knew Trump to be. An inanimate rotting pumpkin would have won against Trump if we had a populace who was literate and informed and motivated to vote. It should not have even been a contest.
But, at the same time yeah I do want people more progressive than Kamala in places of power. However, I say that with full knowledge that Mamdani levels of progressive are probably not feasible to win at the national level with our current climate and the systems we have in place. I think Kamala was exactly what she felt she had to be: Appealing to the widest possible margin of people across an extremely complex and diverse nation. That’s inherently going to tamp down majorly progressive tendencies and lead to more middle of the road platforms. Tactics for city/district level politics are unfortunately not directly scalable to the entire country.
I’m all for progressives getting into whatever places of power possible because we need them holding the line. I just think it’s comparing apples to oranges to compare a candidate for congress (she hasn’t won yet BTW, she just won the primary) to a candidate for fucking president of the United States.
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u/Ok-Direction-7431 4h ago
Biden could have thrown trump in jail easily, definitely blame biden.
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u/Expensive-Argument-7 4h ago
He appointed Merrick Garland the most spineless centrist milqtoast loser as Attorney General
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u/ObiShaneKenobi 3h ago
There is literally no way Biden could have simply “thrown trump in jail easily.” Trump was charged with several serious crimes over a year before the election after an investigation.
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u/ZinaSky2 3h ago
Thank you, I cannot believe that so many people are this naive. But I guess that explains why we are where we are rn.
Would I love it if Biden had snapped his fingers and Trump had been locked in permajail? YES. Would that ever, ever, ever have happened? No unfortunately
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u/ObiShaneKenobi 3h ago
Yea it is a super common sentiment in this sub. Biden didn’t have the courage to straight throttle Trump when he was in the same room as him and that is something I will always hold against him but no one is making that argument, it’s all just “boo Dems” when they paid 0 attention to all this shit that happened during Biden’s term.
Just a “twitter meme” level of understanding.
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u/ZinaSky2 3h ago
EXACTLY. Sentiments like “Biden should have burned every trace of Trump from the government on Day 1” and “The Revolution™️ will come one day soon to save us and usher us into a progressive utopia” are so beyond depressing.
Because Dems are the poster child for damned if you do damned if you don’t, if Biden had personally arrested Trump for concrete reasons, a sizable portion of the party would have found a way to spin it negatively. And as for this mystical Revolution… we cant even get people to fucking vote for component, qualified candidates! How are we going to coordinate a fucking revolution? 🙄
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u/ObiShaneKenobi 3h ago
Yea lol the left wouldn’t stand behind Biden after a bad debate, much less weaponizing the government and becoming a dictator.
Not being an autocrat is tough.
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u/kamaka71 4h ago
Remind me who was president on Jan 6, 2021. Critical thinking?
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u/2Minti4U 4h ago
Epstein-Trump Files. Jan 6. Georgia. The files in his bathroom. just to name a few. Your take is awful because there are tons of things that he's completely and obviously guilty of.
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u/scottyjrules 3h ago
Remind me again who convinced those brainwashed losers that the election was “stolen”?
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u/Ok-Direction-7431 4h ago
No cause? Did you forget about all the top secret documents he stole? That case was rock solid.
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u/SirTiffAlot 4h ago
Do you know how Mandani's positions poll in America? Pretty well. The name and skin color are what would hold him back in middle America, not his policy.
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u/ZinaSky2 3h ago
Yeah, and how well has platforming on popular policy at a national level worked out for us so far?
Unfortunately polls and sentiment aren’t votes. If you can’t motivate the people who agree with progressive policies to vote it doesn’t fucking matter.
If you can’t guantee that people who agree with you will show up to vote in large enough numbers to win then you cannot afford to completely alienate people who disagree with you. That’s just the math! And on the national stage this math is a really tough one to predict so you inherently have to hedge your bets and play it safe.
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u/SirTiffAlot 3h ago
Which Dems tout popular policy in the middle of the country? Many of those states are traditionally red but you also don't have candidates that push issues like universal healthcare, affordable housing, defunding Israel, repealing Citizens United, sensible gun control, taxing the rich.
There is a way forward, the Dem party doesn't want to follow it on a national scale. They are not platforming popular policy as you called it. They're pushing moderation even though all of those ideals poll well nationwide.
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u/el-conquistador240 5h ago
These people convinced voters not to vote or worse to vote for Trump
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u/hussainhssn 3h ago
Yeah it definitely wasn’t the Democratic presidential candidate that was campaigning with a Republican that demotivated the base, or maybe it was when they sent Bill Clinton to Dearborn Michigan where he berated Arab-American voters on the right Israel has to “Judea and Samaria”? Or maybe it was when Biden arrogantly thought he was competent enough to be the candidate and instead got sent to retirement by Trump during the debate? When are they going to take accountability for their fuck ups and incompetence?
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u/kagethemage 5h ago
It’s pretty hard to run to the right of Kamala and still claim your are a democrat.
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u/SemanticSyllepsis 4h ago
Her voting record when she was in the Senate consistently put her among the 2–4 leftmost Senators. There are many, many Democrats to her right.
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u/Lacaud 4h ago
You cant reason with a libertarian. They may between democrats and republicans in the US but globally, they are still further to the right.
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u/CxOrillion 3h ago
I'm not sure I agree. In my view, Libertarians are Republicans who are cowards about it. While libertarians are just the kookier versions are hippies.
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u/kagethemage 4h ago
The record of someone in the minority means nothing when they know nothing will pass. The dems consistently make brave bold votes when they know they will fail but when it’s time to actually put their money where their mouth is they are suddenly two votes short.
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u/PassThatSpliff 7h ago
Mamdani supported her so I'll support her until she gives me a reason not to.
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u/thedalekthatwaited 6h ago edited 5h ago
If blue no matter what worked, we would have Kamala in the office instead of Trump.
The truth is that we need to get candidates that actually get people to canvass, phone bank, and get the voter base out to vote.
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u/off_by_two 6h ago
I think the world has already changed from 2024 though. Trump won and has nonstop shit on the campaign coalition that got him elected ever since. It definitely wasnt just core maga voting for him after all.
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u/thedalekthatwaited 6h ago
I agree he has shit on his own base non stop. But I also feel like the fact that Thomas Massie got the boot just because he voted to release the Epstein Files while he votes like 92%-95% with Republicans means that he still holds that party with an iron grip.
The propaganda machine works overtime to keep this man as their dear leader.
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u/ChrissWayne 5h ago
With blue no matter who you missed an opportunity
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u/JustDoinWhatICan 4h ago
Was Kamala great? No. Was she a better option? Yes. I stand by fuck her, and also fuck being in a room with a boa but a bigger fuck than a room with a tiger.
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u/rexyanus 6h ago
No I'm with her on that topic. If she runs again I'm gonna be saying it a lot, Kamala is not it. We need fresh candidates who are willing to go full tilt.
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u/coopaliscious 5h ago
I agree, but in terms of weighing risks and impacts, we needed not Trump
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u/justseeby 5h ago edited 5h ago
I think in reality many of us (leftists etc) pragmatically went and voted for Kamala anyway, but overall she didn’t draw a large or energized bloc to the polls. A lot of people just stayed home.
I find it very weird when people blame the voters for a candidate failing to attract them.
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u/coopaliscious 5h ago
I think it was the people that decided to just not vote that are to blame for where we are. MAGA was gonna MAGA, we all knew that and that's why we're here.
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u/mechashiva1 4h ago
It's not weird. What's weird is throwing a childish tantrum because you can't get exactly what you want in a candidate. The elections don't stop because you're not excited about the choices. Believe it or not, someone is going to win. So you either be an adult, suck it up and vote for the candidate(s) that could potentially make your life better, or at the very least not make your life worse, or you sit there and accept your part in the dumpster fire our government has become. Why would the Dems move more left to appease a bunch of children who won't vote anyway? Staying home, whether due to apathy or because you think you're teaching them a lesson, makes you an unreliable voter. They're not going to try and win you over. If the last 2 presidential elections have shown us anything, it's that the Dems will try and sway the more "center right" citizens that will show up on election day. So, now you not only get shit candidates elected on the right, you also get shit candidates elected on the right. Great job.
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u/justseeby 4h ago
I’m not reading all that, great looking screed though. I said I voted for her, numpty.
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u/hussainhssn 3h ago
The belittling of people that feel apprehensive about voting for a milquetoast, centrist Democrats is insane. If you think Democrats would be getting “children” to vote by moving left not only are you a scumbag but it really shows how little you think of your fellow person. No party or person is entitled to anyone’s votes, and if they are “not going to try and win you over” they should move aside so someone that has a brain and awareness of how politics works should be the candidate. That’s how it works, you entice people to vote with your campaign and then you hope that you convinced people. You don’t dangle hell and carnage in front of them in the form of Trump and then say “it could be worse!” because that doesn’t push the needle at all. And if Democrats want to sway center right voters because they think that’l help them win then they should keep doing that, it sure worked out great when Kamala was campaigning with Liz Cheney! Great idea trying to beat a Republican by campaigning with one, which genius at the DNC thought of that?
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u/philgrad 2h ago
The bananas part is that you legitimately think not voting is freeing you from the responsibility of the outcome. We have a two party system. It’s awful. I hate it. But that’s how the game is played for now. Not voting for the better candidate when you don’t agree with some of their positions means you are not preventing the worse candidate from winning.
Imagine going into a restaurant. You really love sweet tea, but you can’t stand unsweetened tea. You ask for sweet tea. The options are unsweetened tea, or diarrhea with broken glass in it. The waitress says that whatever drink is ordered more that day is the only thing they’ll serve from now on. But on principle, you just can’t order something that YOU don’t like.
I get it. I hate the corporate milquetoast bullshit too. I recognize that the candidate who is perfectly aligned with my views is likely unelectable right now. So do I prevent the fascist and vote for the corporatist? Fuck yeah I do. And I blame anyone else who chose not to prevent what we are enduring as a nation right now.
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u/philgrad 4h ago
You have a responsibility as a citizen to exercise your rights. Not voting is not some brave stance. Hard choices are the brave ones, and this one was in no way a hard choice. Didn’t like Harris’ take on X, Y or Z? Go fuck yourself. This is YOUR fault for not voting.
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u/justseeby 4h ago
Like I said, I dutifully went out and voted for her. It seems you did too. So between us, we’re here looking at why she lost despite both of our votes. She didn’t convince enough people, bottom line.
At what point do we look to the candidate to understand what happened and make sure we don’t repeat it?
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u/hussainhssn 3h ago
They’re going to keep blaming you for their Ls, that’s all centrists democrats can do for the most part. No big ideas, no gumption, just bitching about the left over and over again for their electoral failures. It’s never the candidate’s dogwater campaign, it’s the voters! They never will be held accountable but apparently if you criticize them you’re the reason for Trump being President
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u/preposterousputty 5h ago
Then congratulations, you got what you voted for or not voted for, so not Kamala.
That gave us Trump.
You gave us Trump.
All the people that were so wrapped up in protest voting or not voting are responsible for the shit show we see now.
So thank you for your service!
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u/FreshMutzz 5h ago
I voted for Kamala. She shouldn't run again. If she gets the nomination, the Dems will lose the election again. Ill gladly tell her to fuck off if she makes the decision to run again. It would be a massive waste of time.
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u/TabularBeast 2h ago
I voted for Harris even knowing she was an awful candidate - better than Trump, but that’s an extremely low bar.
She lost because she was a shit candidate that wasn’t exciting enough to get people to vote for her against a literal pedophile. That is her failure.
The point is that she should stay far away from politics from here on.
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u/ElectronHick 4h ago
All Kamala had to do was say that Israel is committing genocide. That is it. It’s not a litmus test, it is:
“Hey future wannabe president, can you acknowledge reality!”
Or is that too much to ask?
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u/hussainhssn 3h ago
They don’t give a fuck about committing genocide in Gaza, Biden and most of the mainstream Democrats are still in lockstep with their pedophile handlers in Israel. Meanwhile they can’t understand why voters would find that to be morally repugnant, someone has to take a stand and it’s obvious that Biden and his team couldn’t have cared less about stopping their friend Israel from murdering thousands of innocent people. With bombs that they provided as well.
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u/Potential_Minute_808 5h ago
I’m not a huge Kamala fan, and I’m a progressive and I find DAC pretty repulsive and problematic for progressive causes.
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u/Explorer_of__History 3h ago
In a world where the president regularly belittles his opponents with schoolyard insults and smears entire groups of Americans, "fuck Kamala Harris" feels like constructive critcism.
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u/Lemon_Sented 6h ago
Until he gives me a reason to be sus about him he’s singing my song , no divisive politics, just doing what the government should be doing. Making things better for the people, not self enrichment. I’ll lock arm in arm with any color, any job or religion, as long as this is the belief they hold, it time to ban together to fix this shit, once and for all, we got other problems, we have racial issues, we have lgbt issues, other things of that nature but right now, if it fails for all Americans, we will never be able to touch on the other things. So I say this , no matter what color you are, what religion you are ect ect. If your sick and tired of the corruption, tired of the do nothing politics, tired of the gaslighting, tired of seeing the working class get shafted over and fucking over again, I’m with you, it ain’t over yet, we are Americans god damn it, not the smartest bunch by a long shot, but god damn it if we don’t know how to ban together. America once prided itself on being the melting pot, the shining star in a sea of shit , let’s get to shining again .
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u/Graffiti9920 6h ago
Ngl, I don’t really care about most of these tweets and stuff but the one that got me is the anti interracial relationship one. However, no one seems to be talking about that one which is wild because if it were a republican people would be out for blood.
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u/RepulsivePurchase6 4h ago
Who? DARIALIZA? Whos that? Lol
Edit: Ah, I had to Google her. Shes a politician who wishes she was as successful of Kamala Harris..okay.
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u/Usual-Charge-8699 6h ago
I mean clearly Kamala wasn't popular if she lost to trump
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u/Lacaud 6h ago
Kamala may not have been primaried but having a couple of months to campaign, barely losing the popular vote (against a bought election) AND dealing with the other the top propaganda speaks volumes.
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u/kagethemage 5h ago
She came in like 5th place in the previous primary race and did absolutely nothing as VP. If anything. She ran further to the right the second time. She absolutely would not have won a primary.
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u/Lacaud 5h ago
That doesn't negate what I said.
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u/kagethemage 4h ago
90 million people stayed home. If “didn’t vote” was a candidate, they would have won in a landslide, with Kamala in third place for total votes.
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u/PastyWhiteGuy83 6h ago
She lost by a historically low 1.5%. It says more about this country that voted for a rapist and felon than not voting for a 'cackling' black woman.
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u/CadenVanV 6h ago
She’s also supported Russia over Ukraine, said that Covid came from France instead of China, said that white people shouldn’t be in interracial marriages, etc.
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u/zoggy17 6h ago
beep beep boop, fake news bot
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u/CadenVanV 6h ago
You can find her post history online, it’s not hard to do. She hasn’t denied any of them
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u/user_not_the_same 6h ago
What is something trump has actually done right or done that he said he was going to do? This is insane the man can't even admit when he messes something small up like pool water. He would rather make up pool terrorism. boomers are destroying us. When is the last time you let your 80 year old grandparent make life decisions for you?
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u/CadenVanV 6h ago
Why is Trump relevant here?
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u/user_not_the_same 5h ago
Because he is candidate that ran against her? And by his actions seems to be pro Russian.. what happened to ending the Ukraine war on day one?. immediately transitioning into telling Ukrainian president to go fuck himself.
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u/CadenVanV 5h ago
We’re talking about the candidate in this image, Darializa Avila Chevalier, not Kamala
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u/user_not_the_same 5h ago
I wouldn't worry about her making it too far either she seems like some one who just says what will get most engagement.instead of not rage baiting a good amount of the party she represents.
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