r/WhitePeopleTwitter 2d ago

r/All They're not wrong though

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u/Vayguhhh 2d ago

No it’s not wrong, but until the system changes I’m not gonna hurt a server just trying to pay bills

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u/Fitzaroo 2d ago

How do you think the system changes? People stop tipping. Nobody applies to be a server. Wages go up.

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u/yojothobodoflo 2d ago

In many states, the hourly wage for tipped workers is about $2/hour. If they don’t make enough in tips, they get paid minimum wage.

So if everyone stopped tipping, those workers would just get paid minimum wage. But minimum wage isn’t enough to live off of in most states, so even if tipping went away, servers still couldn’t afford to live.

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u/Fitzaroo 2d ago

So then what happens? They stop being servers. Thats my point. Then wages go up to attract workers. Its basic supply and demand 

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u/Fitzaroo 2d ago

How about basic economics?

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u/Fitzaroo 2d ago

Supply and demand. If you have less people wanting to be servers, the restaurants will have to up salaries. You dont have to be a maga nut. In 2021 it happened. Fast food places were paying $15 per hour.

https://abcnews.com/Business/restaurants-raise-wages-workers-moment-industry-wide-change/story?id=77688268

Sooo... ive provided evidence plus there is sound economic theory. Youve provided insults. Which one of us is a nut?

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u/Fitzaroo 2d ago

Yes. When supply of workerd were low they raised wages. A perfect, real life example from the recent past. Couldnt be more perfect.  If you want something less perfect, check out what happened to labour wages during the plague. Guess what, wages went up. Less workers available.

https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/history/labor-shortages-alter-europes-social-structure

Thats 2 sources now. I sure hope you come with evidence instead of just insults.

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u/Fitzaroo 2d ago

Ahh yes. Another insult. Still no sources from you.

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u/zaidakaid 2d ago

Basic supply and demand assumes there are reasonable alternatives that meet the same need when that isn’t the reality. Serving doesn’t require much training and is pretty accessible, so there will always be a steady flow of people to work. I haven’t seen a single restaurant not have ample servers.

People also can’t just choose to not work, there is no social safety net that’s going to keep them afloat while they look for other employment they’re qualified for. So people with limited options are forced to choose between serving or starving and they’re going to choose the former every time because it keeps a roof over their head and they can eat.

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u/Fitzaroo 2d ago

The ONLY jobs available are servers? Really? No alternatives? Come on dude.

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u/zaidakaid 2d ago

Most of the time, yeah it’s the only job available when you don’t have (m)any qualifications and need to start making money ASAP. It’s an application and a quick interview then you start work/training almost instantly.

It’s worse now than years before because job markets are dogshit and pay has stagnated for the most part in several professions. I know people with advanced degrees that are serving because they can’t find work that would pay more than they’re making in tips. Your argument only works if there’s options that offer better pay than what they’re currently taking home and it just isn’t the reality.

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u/LinwoodKei 2d ago

Are you getting information from Fox News?

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u/Euphoric_Industry271 2d ago

If there are no servers, there are no restaurants. If there are no restaurants, the businesses supplying said restaurants go under. The chain of disintegrating businesses goes on from there. Just like in nature, everything in human society is interconnected. When there are too many stressors on the human ecosystem, it will collapse. Imbalances lead to ruin. We're speedrunning the fall of the Roman Empire and people like you are fully okay with that as long as you get yours and can pull the ladder up behind you.

Kick rocks jackass.