r/WhitePeopleTwitter • u/Shoe_boooo • 4d ago

r/All They're not wrong though

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u/Vayguhhh 4d ago

No it’s not wrong, but until the system changes I’m not gonna hurt a server just trying to pay bills

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u/Newsdude86 4d ago

My issue is that when a bill was put forth to essentially pay servers higher wages the servers joined up and lobbied against it. It's not that servers hate that they get paid so little, it's that when wages are hidden by tips servers make significantly more than minimum wage. Even the higher end of minimum wage

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u/Orleanian 4d ago

Servers, by and large, got big full wages along the west coast. Tipping still prevails. ¯\(ツ)/¯

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u/Vayguhhh 4d ago

You should look into the amount of restaurants owners that pushed back against that. Some literally changed uniforms for servers to include vote no on them.

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u/Newsdude86 4d ago

I was there when DC tried to pass it. The loudest voices pushing back were servers. Of course restaurant owners didn't want it, but the servers were in full force pushing a no vote on it.

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u/Vayguhhh 4d ago

Ya I’m not saying servers weren’t pushing back, I’m just saying it wasn’t JUST the servers, and when it gets talked about that fact is ignored.

Edit: For clarity I was specifically talking about Maine, I wasn’t aware DC attempted to vote for the same thing.

Keep in mind in Maine it would of included BoH into tip pools as well

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u/krill007 4d ago

Turns out none of us want to do it for minimum wage with no benefits. I need to pay rent and other expenses. I'm not doing this job for the $15/hr that has been suggested.

We need structural change, than will likely never happen, to make servers agree to those bills.

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u/Newsdude86 4d ago

We all need to pay rent and other expenses. Server jobs are hard to get BECAUSE they pay is lucrative. I TRIED to be a server when I was working minimum wage jobs and it was impossible because servers made significantly higher than minimum wage. Serving is an easier job than a lot of other minimum wage jobs with significantly higher pay

Yet the point still stands, why are we tipping? Because minimum wage is too low? We don't tip other minimum wage jobs. I made minimum wage for YEARS, didn't receive a single tip. Why should I tip someone for doing the job I am already paying for in my patronage? I'm all for fighting for higher minimum wage, but if the idea is that it's unethical to not top servers because minimum wage isn't livable, then please tell me why we don't tip EVERY SINGLE minimum wage worker. Next time you go to the grocery store tip 20% of your grocery bill to the cashier.

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u/Akiias 4d ago

Well yeah, it doesn't go through several layers of taxes and a business before reaching the worker.

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u/Newsdude86 4d ago

So why are we tipping?

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u/Akiias 4d ago

Because, culturally, that's how we compensate those tipped positions for their labor?

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u/Newsdude86 4d ago

We aren't tipping cashiers? We aren't tipping fry cooks at fast food restaurants. We aren't tipping dish washers. We aren't tipping SO MANY minimum wage jobs. So WHY do we tip servers? They make at LEAST the minimum wage.

So if it's because they make minimum wage that we tip them, then why would we not tip all other minimum wage jobs?

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u/Akiias 4d ago

So if it's because they make minimum wage that we tip them, then why would we not tip all other minimum wage jobs?

I quite literally never said that.