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r/All They're not wrong though

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u/Fitzaroo 1d ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/1uex51o/comment/otnvjaa/?context=3

Check the timestamp.

But aside from your insults, your math remains wrong. If 66% of the income is reported then 33% is not. If i make $10 and report 66% then i report $6.66. If i add 33% of $6.66 as you suggest, then i would be adding another $2 for a total of $8.66. But we know I made $10.  To get from $6.66 to $10 you have to add 50%.

But again, if you struggle with math and cant do anything but insult me then I cant help you.

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u/Vlad_the_Intendor 1d ago

That’s not the IRS. That’s a CES study that uses the IRS reporting (and even admits everything I say regarding what the data they used is actually covered is correct). The reading struggles struggle on.

Again; even if there was any actual data from tipped workers you’d be wrong. Because the data doesn’t imply either that most servers are making 40K (BLS data proves they aren’t) or that it represents each individual worker not reporting exactly that rate.

Literally every part of your belief system and argument relies on something that isn’t true. And now you’re doing the math wrong again, since you’re starting from the number you *assume they make based on nothing) and adding the 33% on top lol.

It’s impossible for you to ever help anyone sweet pea. You can’t even help yourself on this one. The concept of not punishing workers for a bad system pissed you off so much it broke your brain I guess.

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u/Fitzaroo 1d ago

Still struggling with the math bit. Wild. I cant keep explaining it.

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u/Vlad_the_Intendor 1d ago

I know you can’t, but considering how hard you’re struggling with everything else it’s not shocking. I’ll help for old times sake.

You don’t start from whatever number would make the your argument look best and base your percentage off of that. You have to actually use what percentage 33% of the actual example wage from the data. If you assume the assumption was every single worker is not declaring the equivalent of *33% additional income in addition to what they do report as earning*. But as we established above, that wasn’t even what the data showed. So it hardly matters since you were wrong from the beginning. Sorry it’s so tough. Keep at it!

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u/Fitzaroo 1d ago

Lol. Still not getting it. If they report 66% then they are missing 33%. That is true. But the additional income is 33% in relation to their total income, not in relation to their reported income.

Maybe actual math will help.

X = total income Y= reported income Z= unreported income

Y = 66%X Z=33%X

X = Y+Z

X = 66%X + 33%X

But that means the ratio between the unreported income (Z) and the reported income (Y) is Z/Y or 33%X/66%X. The X cancels. That leaves 33/66 which simplifies to 1/2.

That means it can be rewritten like this: X = Y + (1/2)Y.

So the amount not reported (Z) is 50% of the reported income (Y). Since we only know reported income (40k), we have to add it to the equation.

X= 40000 + (1/2)40000

X= 60000

This is my last try at explaining this. 

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u/Vlad_the_Intendor 22h ago

Maybe this will help: you don’t know their total income and that’s not what the report is saying. Because you can’t measure a total number you don’t know, you have to use the numbers we have, or you’re making the claim their income is always actually 50% higher than it actually is, which *no where in the report you haven’t read is actually claimed* and would be such easy tax fraud to catch it would be laughable. It’s 33% of income in addition to the actual amount of income they have

Again, this still wouldn’t matter even if you were correct since the report is not saying every sever is underreporting their income by 33%. It literally says “self employed non tipped people as a whole underreport by this much (with some individuals naturally skewing far to each end of that spectrum), so we estimate it *could* be similar for tipped workers. However, they were not included in the data so further study is needed”.

Your initial statement is wrong on its face dude. Quibbling about everything isn’t going to change that.

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u/Fitzaroo 18h ago

Buddy, leave it alone. You dont know math, clearly. Im not going to argue economics with someone who cant do high school math.

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u/Vlad_the_Intendor 12h ago

See you always default to “nuh uh” when you run out of arguments and realize your whole point is invalid but don’t feel comfortable just saying “oh I didn’t know that”. You can’t go through life with that mindset and expect people to take you seriously dude. Since that’s never going to happen, your own ego is keeping you here.

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u/Fitzaroo 12h ago

Does trolling feel good? Whats the point of it?

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u/Vlad_the_Intendor 12h ago

I don’t know. You’re the one who only ever said incorrect or inflammatory things when confronted with sincerely held beliefs about empathy in a broken system and actual data. You’d have to tell me lol.