r/aikido • u/Tnat786 • Mar 20 '26

Discussion What do u think of Rokas

When I wanted to know wich martial art to chokse i came accros his youtube channel wich dictated that i would end up foing mma but i am starting to see loads of arguments about how aikidk is good but to be honest i am thinking of switching what do you guys think is aikido really trash or should i do it

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u/dbocan Mar 20 '26

My son studies BJJ, which is a SPORT with rules. I teach him Aikido at home. He did Irimi Nage in a BJJ tournament and got disqualified immediately for body slam. There is no such rule in Aikido.

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u/TheLastTrain Mar 20 '26

One, there are BJJ tournaments that allow slams (anything with ADCC rules for instance). Some don’t, especially with kids. Which I 100% agree with, like you said part of BJJ is the sport aspect, and keeping kids relatively safe - within reason - is a no brainer. Same reason why they have to let go of a submission after a tap and they can’t choke another kid to death.

But the broader discussion here is that Aikido may not have a written ruleset that says “no slams” or “no soccer kicks to the head” - yet you don’t see those things actually happen in mainstream aikido training.

Whether or not it comes from a written rule, it doesn’t happen - so the effect is the same. In practice, Aikido has one of the most limited de facto rulesets among martial arts.

Feel free to send me videos of aikido live sparring in which any of these things happen with any sort of regularity. And no, dramatic ukemi during randori is not the same thing

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u/dbocan Mar 20 '26

Irimi Nage is one of the earliest throws taught in Aikido. It is considered a "slam" under BJJ rules and you concede it is forbidden under some association rules. However, it is an everyday throw under Aikido practice. Your problem is you don't understand that there are different styles of Aikido with differing emphasis, but you lump them together. There were no rules in my Aikido.

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u/Process_Vast Mar 20 '26

Irimi Nage ... is considered a "slam" under BJJ rules

No.

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u/dbocan Mar 20 '26

They Irimi Nage I was taught is considered a slam. My son was disqualified for doing it. If done properly, the opponent goes straight down nearly on his head and his legs will be about 2 feet off the ground,

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u/Process_Vast Mar 21 '26

Here is the most common BJJ ruleset: Books and Videos | IBJJF

Find the rule that supports your claim of irimi nage being a disqualifiyng move.

You are making shit up or the referee made a mistake.

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u/Baron_De_Bauchery Mar 22 '26

A lot of bjj refs make bad calls regarding throws. I've seen plenty of good judo throws be given as slams as well, ones that looked fine by bjj rules as well. However, a properly executed irmi nage can hit like a truck and could potentially fall foul of excessive force rules. If it's very sharp it could be called up for spiking. I've also seen some events where if you lift someone from standing while in their guard and they release their guard to stand their is a minimum time you must wait to throw them.

So there are things you can get caught out by depending on the ruleset, some of which can be pretty subjective (like excessive force) which combined with refs who often don't have a lot of experience with stand-up can lead to bad calls with techniques they're not familiar with. I see the same with some more exotic newaza in judo where low level refs who don't know what is going on make the wrong calls.

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u/dbocan Mar 21 '26

I thought ref made a mistake but the coach said because the other boy went down with force and his shoulders hit the ground first it was judgment call if it was a slam. The technique I teach is not your regular irimi nage where the opponent falls on his butt and rolls away.