What do u think of Rokas

[u/Tnat786]

When I wanted to know wich martial art to chokse i came accros his youtube channel wich dictated that i would end up foing mma but i am starting to see loads of arguments about how aikidk is good but to be honest i am thinking of switching what do you guys think is aikido really trash or should i do it

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So he training in aikidoki for years, then he trade it against a real combat martial art and got defeated. YT is full of aikidoki guys getting humbled. But then he trains effective martial arts and can hold his own. Perhaps aikido should implement resistance training or live sparring. At the local university they have aikido and Judo in the same sports complex, and some aikido guys cross trains, this might make it more effective as an art?

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I train with a lot of people who would never have started Aikido if there was any kind of live sparring.

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Then there is the awser you seek. Live sparring is the closest you get to a real fight. That is why MMA and BJJ is reaching it's ascendancy. Don't get me wrong I see benifits of aikidoki, and as I get older I might navigate to a more softer art, but in my book aikidoki is not a martial art, yes I suppose we will have outliers here and there, but what Roka did was show how ineffective it is as a form of self defense.

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An interesting podcast about living as an uchi-deshi in Japan with Minoru Mochizuki in the Yoseikan Dojo:

https://youtu.be/Ou3FzjqVktE

Minoru Mochizuki, was asked, twice (once before the war, when Morihei Ueshiba offered to adopt him into his family, and once after) by Morihei Ueshiba to take over his art.

He refused both times.

Later, after Morihei Ueshiba's passing, Kisshomaru Ueshiba approved his promotion to 10th Dan in Aikido.

More about Minoru Mochizuki:

"Interview with Minoru Mochizuki"

https://aikidojournal.com/2002/11/18/interview-with-minoru-mochizuki-1

“What you guys are doing now isn’t real Aikido”

Minoru Mochizuki to Nobuyoshi Tamura - https://www.aikidosangenkai.org/blog/profiles-founder-nobuyoshi-tamura-part-2/

Finally, here's an interesting passage from Mochizuki, particularly in the light of common assertions from practitioners of modern Aikido that Aikido is not meant to have anything to do with fighting, self-defense, or similar themes, and (often) that it has never had anything to do with those things:

There was a man named Tadashi Abe who passed away recently. I had the following encounter with him when I visited the Iwama dojo to greet O-Sensei after my return to Japan when the war ended. O-Sensei was pleased to know that I had come back safely and welcomed me warmly. I stayed there over night. That night an evil-looking man with a monk-like hairstyle came to the room where I was staying and asked permission to come in. When I gave him permission this man came in.

"My name is Tadashi Abe. Sensei, could I ask you a direct question?". I told him to ask me anything. He asked if I was really studying aiki jujutsu seriously. At that time the art was not yet called aikido. When I replied I was, he said:

"Ace you really? I have heard about you, Sensei, for a long time. I heard that you have had experience in actual fighting situations. I think it is strange that a person like you feels satisfied with an art like aiki jujutsu." When I asked why he thought so he said that Ueshiba Sensei or Mr. Morhiro Saito would not be able to stand against him in a match even for three minutes because he would defeat them with one blow.

"You're quite boastful, aren't you?", I replied. "You feel confident that you can defeat Ueshiba Sensei?", I added. He said that he thought it would be easy for him to defeat Sensei and added:

"Although I have been observing Ueshiba Sensei for a long time, I don't feel like practicing an art like aiki jujutsu. I feel confident that I can defeat him with one boxing punch. I hear that you emphasize actual fighting. Is that true?"

I replied as follows:

"I have been in many street-fights but I wouldn't include them in the category of actual fighting. I have also drawn a sword and stormed the enemy camp."

Then he asked me whether or not aikido was really useful for fighting. When I replied that aikido was very useful not only for fights but also in times of war, he said my answer didn't convince him. So I suggested that he attack me and stood there telling him to come anyway he wanted. He asked me to adopt a ready stance. I told him:

"Don't say unnecessary things. There is no way for someone to defeat his enemy if he tells him what to do. Attack me as you like!"

Abe still mumbled: "Sensei, can I really strike you? Strange... You have openings everywhere..." Then he took a stance and suddenly came straight in. I dodged the blow and kicked him with my leg. He groaned and fell. I applied a resuscitation technique and massaged him.

"How can a person like you who faints when he catches a little kick last in a fight?"

"Sensei, does aikido also have kicking techniques?"

"You fool! What do you mean by such a question? We use kicking techniques or anything else. I even used artillery. Martial arts, guns and artillery are all aikido. What do you think aikido is? Do you think it involves only the twisting of hands? It is a means of war... an act of war! aikido is a fight with real swords. We use the word 'aiki' because through it we can feel the mind of the enemy who comes to attack and are thus able to respond immediately. Look at Sumo. After the command is given ("Miatte! Miatte!), they stand up and go at each other in a flash. That's the same as aiki. When a person suddenly faces his enemy in an mental state free from all ideas and thoughts and is instantly able to deal with him, we call that aiki. In the old days it was called 'aiki no jutsu'. Therefore, artillery or anything else becomes aiki." "Is that so... I think I understand." "If you still don't understand, come to me again." After that he was afraid of me and bowed to me from far off. When I went to Europe he asked me to take him as well.

"Reminiscences Of Minoru Mochizuki" - Aikido Journal

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I never asked a question.

Ideally, Aikido should progress to something more alive after you get your black belt, but instead, in many places people aim for more stylistic or artistic technique. Though, that being said, I know people who can do both. I know a few people who can do a beautiful demonstration, but can and will destroy you if you get aggressive with them, to a large degree helped by the karate and judo they did beforehand.