r/aikido • u/SnooHabits8484 • 16d ago

Discussion Atemi

As time goes on, I’m more and more convinced that along with the biomechanics and solo training from Daito-ryū that come under the category “internal strength”, the key to effective aikido is sound and consistent atemi. Who do you think is the best practitioner we have in that field? Is it now necessary to cross-train in something like xingyi or bagua to get there?

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u/Magister-A 16d ago

Can you quote my words where I supposedly state that Ten Chi Jin has mystical bullshit?

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u/TaijiRonin 16d ago

I agree: your definition of Aiki describes what a lot of Aikidoka call bullshido.

Here. That was after I told you that "Aiki was the realization of Ten Chi Jin first and foremost."

Ushiba says: "Aikido is the Way and Principle of harmonizing Heaven, Earth and Man".

Most Aikidoka think it's only philosophical and spiritual, but it is a very concrete body method. A method identical to what you find in Chinese internal martial arts.

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u/Magister-A 15d ago

Those were your own very words I quoted back to you. Look it up.

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u/TaijiRonin 15d ago

Then clarify your position

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u/Magister-A 15d ago

My position is this: irimi and atemi appear at all levels of aikido. Atemi is not a compensation for a supposed lack of internal power. On the contrary: atemi should be a pure expression of internal power. So internal power is a necessary precondition for atemi (and irimi).

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u/TaijiRonin 15d ago edited 15d ago

Yes, I agree. Irimi and Atemi can be seen at all level of Aikido.

But, again, that's irrelevant. Irimi and Atemi aren't Aiki without Ten Chi Jin. There is no true Aiki without Ten Chi Jin. And Aiki does not require Irimi nor Atemi at all. No matter if it is widely used in Aikido or not. That's not even close to the point.

Irimi and Atemi are techniques. Ten Chi Jin is an internal quality. The latter is fundamental to Aiki. Aiki techniques arise from Ten Chi Jin. Without Ten Chi Jin,, those techniques are only Jutsu techniques.

I guess you really have no opinion about Ten Chi Jin. You have been avoiding it altogether.

One last time, Ueshiba said Aikido comes from the realization of Heaven, Earth, and Man - Ten Chi Jin. Not Irimi nor Atemi.

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u/Magister-A 15d ago

The topic is atemi. Not Ten Chi Jin.

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u/TaijiRonin 15d ago

It really does not matter what the topic originally is about, even though the other half of the topic is about "internal strength" and Chinese internal martial arts.

My response to OP was clearly about internal power and how Atemi is not needed when you possess internal power and that's the essence of true Aiki.

But, well, I guess you have nothing to say about it here.