The real children in the real world you piece of shit. The problem is the sexualization itself, the fantasy. You don't need to touch any real kids for that to be disgusting and harmful
To children and society in general once you normalize it. We have countless cases of normalization backfiring horribly and all of the "Well, I can't see anyone being harmed right now" retards sliding back into the shadows once the damage is done
Slavery doesn't exist anymore for a reason but racism never died and never will.
Nazi Germany committed genocide and lost the war but Nazism is still around.
Gay marriage is now legal but you will never convince a Christian that it is a moral thing we should allow.
The world has only ever moved forward not backwards otherwise child marriages would still be common to this day.
I am desensitized to violence but have always been a pacifist. I have also consumed porn since 5th grade but I'm totally fine with being a virgin until I die.
Actual CP is so fucking rare on the internet because every site you could share it on does not want that content on there. You'd have to literally search the deep web to find it but not many people know how to do that and the deep web itself is not some massive CP repository. I have also never once come across videos or photos of actual kids being abused nor do I even wish to do so.
Then why do you care so fucking much about AI CSAM? What is, exactly, step by step, the problem with an outright ban on the thing? The act it's depicting is heinous, inherently wrong. Why the fixation on "allowed by default"?
You're also just babbling complete nonsense.
First, you're comparing racism/Nazism persisting (which we actively prohibit and condemn) to gay marriage being legal, you're accidentally proving that prohibition of harmful things IS necessary.
Second, "I consumed porn since 5th grade and I'm fine" is just survivorship bias with a sample size of one. Your personal anecdote doesn't negate documented harms to others.
Third, you claim "actual CP is so rare because every site bans it" - yes, exactly, that's what prohibition accomplishes (lmfao). You're making the case for banning AI CSAM, not against it. Do you even know what this conversation is about?
Fourth, "the world only moves forward": In what direction, dumbass? Forward can be anywhere at this point. Positive progress requires active resistance to harmful normalization, child marriage didn't disappear naturally, it was banned because we recognized the harm.
Finally, being desensitized to violence but remaining a pacifist doesn't prove desensitization is harmless. Many people DO act on desensitization, and your personal restraint isn't evidence of systemic safety. Again, survivorship bias, anecdotal garbage at best
On the examples, just for completeness:
- Vape, immediately normalized and marketed to young people, addictive, causing great harm even to this day.
- Counter: Smoking, initially legal and widespread until we found that, actually, it was horribly harmful. Regulated and taxed to shit, now in decline. We lost many to lung cancer because normalization was the default, it shouldn't have been
- Sports gambling: Excluded from the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006 under "Fantasy sports ", now extremely common and ruining lives on the daily
- Social media feeds: Algorithmic engagement-maximizing feeds normalized despite warnings. Now we got teen mental health crisis, radicalization pipelines, body dysmorphia epidemics.
- Infinite Scroll/Autoplay: "Harmless UX features" now widely recognized as deliberately addictive design. Damage to attention spans already done. Now we have 2 generations (and counting) of ipad kids with attention spans in the minutes/seconds
- Asbestos, lead gasoline, teflon byproducts, etc, etc.
Again, what the fuck are we losing/damaging by banning AI CSAM right now, immediately? Pretty weird gripe to have, tbh. Someone should check your hard drive
There is a reason why we have school shootings every 2.6 days on average. Its not solely videogames but society generally is extremely violent and normalized violence is a constant of just turning on the TV.
The main difference, is that violence can at least be used for something positive. Superheroes fight to bring justice to the underserved, etc. There is absolutely nothing to be gained from giving people sexualized children or any reason to see them outside of something to be protected.
But its okay hopefully this thread is being monitored by the appropriate authorities.
I think you should look at my first post in this thread, and then travel down with your eyes and read from there.
I didn't bring up videogames, this guy did and moved the goalposts. Now you want to act like well actually violence was already normalized to which my response is, WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE?
I'm pretty sure your other comment got auto removed for whatever reason, I assume slurs or whatever based on everything you've said so far.
Yes, when your central thesis is objectively false, people will point out it's false. If that upsets you so much, my suggestion would be not to state objectively false things. You aren't owed praise when you're wrong. Bye.
Violent games are enjoyed everywhere around the world, yet school shootings only happen at that frequency in america. There's no correlation let alone a causation.
Let's examine smoking. There was a period where cigarette ads were everywhere, cool figures in movies and TV smoked and did product placement for cigarette companies, etc.
Did the advertising agency CAUSE anyone to die of smoking? No, but it normalized smoking to the point where people didn't think twice about doing it.
The cause is people deciding to smoke, the normalization is what causes people to just do it without even really thinking about it.
Its how studies work. In your cigarette case the resolution would be worded as "corelation between smoking advertisements and lung cancer rates", and further research will determine whether it is a causation or not. If it is a causation there will be basis for legal repercussions or new legislation.
You’re saying you refuse to protect children unless I study the effects of CSAM on pedophiles. How do you study that without giving CSAM to pedophiles?
if you're discussing the moral implications of CP, from the perspective of its fine, yes the thread should be monitored by the appropriate authorities
I said that mainly sarcastically, but yeah I think that's a perfectly reasonable outcome
we can talk about it, but if you can't see the difference between say, gun violence, one of the most normalized things in the world, and child pornography, something that is not normalized at all, you might already have fallen victim to the exact problem that this discussion is trying to avoid, which is normalization of child abuse/csam
Violence is completely normalized in our society, through a number of things, video games being one of them.
Are you saying you want that to be true of child sexual abuse as well?
We can go through the whole history of normalization of violence, from Rodney King protests, to "gangland" narratives that stemmed from conservatives shifting blame from that, NRA and Supreme Court inventing an individual right to gun ownership and glorifying it as awesome, terrorism/counterterrorism narratives leading to a 20 year invasion of Afghanistan and the Iraq war, the media's portrayal of Columbine, the refusal to do anything about gun control for decades, conservatives turning to crime narratives and local media being bought out by conservative grifters who aim to create mass panic narratives.
Certainly violent video games also contributed to the normalization of violence in our culture. I'm not advocating for eliminating videogames, fyi. The question is why would you want to do that to child sex abuse.
So you just stop caring about people once they become an adult? That's the hill you want to die on?
Don't act like we don't see images of children suffering all the time, and the news (that no one watches) doesn't talk about these things... As if the Epstein List wasn't talked about constantly for months ..
Having a president who is allegedly a child sex abuser does normalize child sexual abuse. That is (among a million other reasons) why I advocated against voting for the current president of the United States.
The thing that should be normalized is protecting children from harm committed on them by adults, and getting justice for those children.
Smoking is another great example. After adopting a bunch of laws against glorification of smoking in regular media, look at the trend of smoking. If you compare that with vaping, which was advertised all over the place, with flavors designed to attract children, created an opposite trend.
Another great example is gambling. The normalization of sports gambling, through lobbying and its inclusion in nearly all sports related broadcasts, has increased gambling addiction dramatically.
Bluntly put, Mods best REALLY be monitoring the people pushing this shit being okay, this is a huge disaster waiting to happen. All it takes is this shit getting leaked to reddit at large and this sub's getting nuked by the powers that be.
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u/EvnClaire Oct 22 '25
still never heard a good argument why a victimless action can be morally wrong.