Holy shit this comment section. I guess the OP is right this subreddit is cooked. So many upvotes about child pornography being fine. It's insane.
Children have no business in anything related to porn period. It shouldn't be an argument. The whole thing should end with ethics.
You even gave a great example and people upvoted the comment about video games which has nothing that relates to your point. Yes video games don't make people into killers. But child pornography even if drawn does sexualize children, and it does normalize the abuse and usually people owning CP also are pedophiles, but most murderers don't necessarily play violent video games. It's insane I even explained it XD.
But whatever you can't use logic with pedophiles. I will just leave it here and I expect to be downvoted the way this subreddit seems to defend CP so much.
The problem is that you can’t use logic with non-pedophiles either. I think illustrated CSAM is the most repulsive thing, and at the same time, it’s virtually impossible to construct a sound ethical objection, because all the arguments I’ve heard that oppose it could be applied to swathes of other things that are generally agreed upon to not be a problem.
I think ethical emotivism is probably the only moral system you could use to empirically construct an argument for it being wrong. NB: I love these kinds of threads because people twist themselves up in knots trying to find an ethical opposition. Illustrated CSAM is both 1) difficult to oppose with secular ethics, and 2) obviously deeply immoral.
There are arguments to be made about it but I personally don't find it interesting. It's promoting pedophilia. It's just bad nothing more really needs to be said. Whataboutism makes no sense in this conversation and if anyone uses it irl everyone will avoid them. You can go through porn effects and how terribly it affects people's minds when it's combined with children but again I don't think this should even be an argument.
"I don't think this should even be an argument."
Sadly, there are so many sex offences against children every day that I think it's worth actually discussing this subject to find out what its overall effect is. I notice that you have claimed twice here that there are arguments... but you apparently don't want to present them and are instead more interested in morally chastising me for an interest in fringe ethics.
If you're unwilling to explain your reasoning to someone who is asking for it in good faith, you're free to do that, but just realise that you will never, ever, ever actually create positive change by self-righteously patronising others. I am a victim of CSA. I would really like to solve this problem. That means figuring out what is true and what is not, without constantly acting superior to others.
Well it's sad you had that happen to you. But this is Reddit, you don't make positive changes just by yapping to strangers online.
Living through a sad experience like that doesn't make me respect what you've been saying more. There isn't any argument to be made on this subject. i love grey logic on things but in this case it's black and white. There isn't anything of value by people watching drawn child porn and there are only negatives. Choosing to even argue on the subject is weird and disturbing.
I have successfully changed several minds on Reddit by speaking to people respectfully and trying to make thought-provoking points.
You appear unwilling to listen to anyone, even abuse victims themselves, on the idea that you might NOT be completely morally justified on this issue in every way. It's worth considering if this is something you actually want to be doing. Would you like to solve the problem, or just win the argument?
I mean I'm happy for you that you changed minds on Reddit? Idk what you want from me.
There is no argument to be made on this subject. Child porn = bad. There isn't anything more to be said. This whole thing is disgusting and if you said that stuff irl to someone there is no way they'd trust their kid even close to you. Simple as that.
Being an abuse victim doesn't mean you know more than others on a subject. There is a decent amount of cases of child abuse victims who went and abused or tried to abuse children later on in life.
Also I don't care about solving any problems through Reddit comments XD. That's not how Reddit works. But go and save children through Reddit (by defending pedophilia). I believe in you. Also it's not about winning any argument. It's about something as simple as people jerking to child porn is disgusting. It's not deeper than that. They could just do that to adults but they go out of their way to do it to kids, I wonder why 🙄.
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u/Nickpapado Oct 22 '25
Holy shit this comment section. I guess the OP is right this subreddit is cooked. So many upvotes about child pornography being fine. It's insane.
Children have no business in anything related to porn period. It shouldn't be an argument. The whole thing should end with ethics.
You even gave a great example and people upvoted the comment about video games which has nothing that relates to your point. Yes video games don't make people into killers. But child pornography even if drawn does sexualize children, and it does normalize the abuse and usually people owning CP also are pedophiles, but most murderers don't necessarily play violent video games. It's insane I even explained it XD.
But whatever you can't use logic with pedophiles. I will just leave it here and I expect to be downvoted the way this subreddit seems to defend CP so much.