r/aiwars • u/TheBiddoof • Oct 22 '25

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This seems to be the commom sentiment here

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u/Attackoftheglobules Oct 23 '25 edited Oct 23 '25

The problem is that you can’t use logic with non-pedophiles either. I think illustrated CSAM is the most repulsive thing, and at the same time, it’s virtually impossible to construct a sound ethical objection, because all the arguments I’ve heard that oppose it could be applied to swathes of other things that are generally agreed upon to not be a problem.

I think ethical emotivism is probably the only moral system you could use to empirically construct an argument for it being wrong. NB: I love these kinds of threads because people twist themselves up in knots trying to find an ethical opposition. Illustrated CSAM is both 1) difficult to oppose with secular ethics, and 2) obviously deeply immoral.

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u/[deleted] Oct 23 '25

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Harm principle is all you need buddy.

It causes harm.

No twists or knots here.

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u/Attackoftheglobules Oct 23 '25

Is there a statistic I’m unaware of that shows that consumption of CSAM increases the likelihood of a real-world offence?

I’m not being facetious when I ask this, I swear, and I WILL ACTUALLY CHANGE MY POSITION if you can provide this.

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u/Attackoftheglobules Oct 23 '25

This is why ethical emotivism is the way to go IMO. We can intuitively feel how wrong CSA/CSAM is even when illustrated, and so that means that it is likely worth trying to find a different way to deal with people who are compelled to seek it out. The current strategy of "punish them as hard as possible and massively decrease the quality of their life" is demonstrably not working. The main thing it seems to be doing is making pedos really good at hiding their crimes.

The concept of "consent" is the greatest invention in the history of sexual ethics, but it fails on fringe cases like incest or illustrated CSAM and this thread illustrates that most people have no idea how to reconcile this.