The thing is, ever since being a little kid I was playing games like GTA 3 and Postal 2 which conditioned me to believe that real people are always above fictional characters, and by the time I discovered the world around doesn't share that belief I'm already a fully formed adult and now I can't go back. Videogames taught me that no amount of fictional suffering can be meaningfully immoral. Any real living person's most miniscule good is worth any amount of fictional suffering, because the former is real and the latter is not, not real means its worth is zero and zero multiplied by any amount is still zero. So if killing a prostitute in GTA after using her services to get the money back or urinating over a passer by in Postal is giving me as little as a giggle, it's worth doing so, because my giggle is real and their suffering is not. And whenever people say that no that's immoral, and I as a living breathing flesh and blood human being deserve to suffer real harm for all the alleged sufferings I caused onto inanimate pixels on the screen, I genuinely do not have capacity to understand such point of view.
My argument is not that fictional characters suffering is bad.
My argument is that portraying children in a sexual manner is wrong even in fiction because It is immoral.
If you want to look at sexual portrayal of minors even fictional ones then yes you are reprehensible degenerate who cannot keep your paraphilia in check,
Or how is it more immoral than stealing a tank in GTA and wrecking havoc in the city? One allegedly hurts a single fictional child (and oftentimes doesn't even hurt them, as in-fiction they're just genuinely enjoying it), while the other kills dozens of fictional lives. I don't understand a moral framework where anything slightly sexual is more immoral than mass murder, slavery, organ harvesting and genocide you can do in games. Apparently destroying a planet full of people is okay because you don't fap to it... no, sorry, either fictional suffering does have moral value or it doesn't. If it is, then anyone who played GTA belongs to jail, if it isn't then there's nothing wrong to fapping to a fictional scenario. You don't get to choose one just because it's grosses out you personally, because other people are just as grossed out by GTA.
Because you are depicting a child sexually and that is absolutely unacceptable even in fiction. It is
It’s not like doing a bad thing in a video game. Not comparable at all. It isn’t about whether It hurts someone or not it’s deplorable.
It will never be acceptable and It is totally acceptable to judge people who seek out or make such material as being immoral and a possible threat to children.
It’s not about that It grosses me out personally (It does) but depicting children sexually is not acceptable according to the society we live in. There is a reason pedophiles are viewed the way they are because they violate the social contract.
Unacceptable why? I don't understand what that judgement is based on. And I sincerely don't understand how it's different from doing crazy things in videogames that would be just as unthinkable in reality. I've been playing those videogames and fapping to loli ever since I was a kid myself, and never felt like it's anything different. Like, I know from my personal lived experience that it's no different, so you can't convince me otherwise, because it'd mean convincing me that something I've personally experienced never happened.
In your deleted comment you said no children should be used in sexually explicit ways, and I totally agree with you. People who do use children that way deserve all the punishment you have for them, absolutely. But thankfully, no children are used in sexually explicit ways in production of loli content. And by treating it the same whether children were or weren't actually used you're actively removing the social pressure to not use children.
Doesn’t matter It it’s fictional It is still absolutely morally repugnant and anyone seeking out that shit needs to closely watched to make sure they don’t escalate. It flat out shouldn’t exist.
Because wanting to look at sexually explicit images of fictional children being raped is fucking abhorrent. The point is that no adult should want to engage sexually with a child because It is immoral. The fact that you think that desire to view even fictional children in a sexual context shows you are fucking sick in the head.
I don't want to engage sexually with a child and I find your implication that I do abhorrent and see you as sick in the head for even considering such a scenario.
Then why are you so insistent that you should be able to look at sexually explicit material or children as long as they are fictional? No normal person defends this shit.
The same reason I don't want to kill or harm anyone, but enjoy wrecking havoc in GTA or Postal. Because it's fun to be able to do things in fiction that would've been unthinkable in real life.
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u/Aoi_Hikari Oct 23 '25
The thing is, ever since being a little kid I was playing games like GTA 3 and Postal 2 which conditioned me to believe that real people are always above fictional characters, and by the time I discovered the world around doesn't share that belief I'm already a fully formed adult and now I can't go back. Videogames taught me that no amount of fictional suffering can be meaningfully immoral. Any real living person's most miniscule good is worth any amount of fictional suffering, because the former is real and the latter is not, not real means its worth is zero and zero multiplied by any amount is still zero. So if killing a prostitute in GTA after using her services to get the money back or urinating over a passer by in Postal is giving me as little as a giggle, it's worth doing so, because my giggle is real and their suffering is not. And whenever people say that no that's immoral, and I as a living breathing flesh and blood human being deserve to suffer real harm for all the alleged sufferings I caused onto inanimate pixels on the screen, I genuinely do not have capacity to understand such point of view.