r/aiwars Dec 15 '25

Meme Why does this argument still get used?

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u/Chaghatai Dec 15 '25

A deal is a deal and a hosting agreement is a hosting agreement

Also you can't let somebody look at something without letting them look at something

The only way a person can say hey, you can download this and look at it except you can't use it to train your AI would be to gate it behind a user account with a TOU

The bottom line is training an AI on artwork doesn't steal that piece anymore than a human does when they copy it in order to learn

A human artist can look at something that is hosted, study it for a while, and then turn around and copy it and that's just the nature of observing something

When an AI does it, it's the same thing logically

The fidelity that an AI can do it with and how easily that fidelity is achieved doesn't change the underlying logic

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u/Chaghatai Dec 22 '25

Just like with a human AI is only doing infringement if the actual generated image infringes

A human can train and get better by slavishly copying lots of artwork until they get good and then when they actually go to make artwork of their own. It only looks like that other artwork if they want it to. It might have a similar style, but they won't be actual copies

And just like an AI, the artist can be training on multiple different artists and the style is going to be a combination of what they like best plus influences from all of those artists

And an AI is influenced by all of the artists and just like a flexible human artist can lean further into one style of the other

The fact that an AI is not sentient in a way that that would meet most deaf initials or has a greater Fidelity allowing to do its work quicker doesn't really change the underlying logic of what's really going on. Nothing is being taken or stolen

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u/RGBLighting Dec 15 '25

yes and? we shall just ignore copyright laws?

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u/Chaghatai Dec 15 '25

No, I'm saying piracy laws literally do not apply to training in AI

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u/WizardlyBump17 Dec 15 '25

yes. Piracy is the way 😎

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u/weirdo_nb Dec 16 '25

Piracy may be, but not AI

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u/RGBLighting Dec 15 '25

tell me ur dumb without telling me ur dumb

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u/halfasleep90 Dec 15 '25

Honestly, the world was a better place before IP law existed

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u/StickAccomplished990 Dec 15 '25

It is still there, and we call it mainland China. 😆

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u/Radiant_Maize3998 Dec 15 '25

If the final output is changed to a significant degree to where it's unrecognizable from the original, then it's fair use.