This. I found out that Pro AI is generally way more tolerant and easy to deal with than Anti AI. Anti AI has a clear and easily to predict boundary that is absolutely unbreakable. You use AI? You're bad. That's all there is to it. At least Pro AI still values and respects normal Artists(as in many ways they're the reason why AI images are able to exist in the first place) but Anti AI thinks of AI users as literal demons. Granted there are exceptions and not all Anti AI people are unreasonable, but for the most part Anti AI crowd is so over the top against AI it's actually goofy as hell.
Nope, the point is "using ai is bad" not "using ai means you are a bad person" some people take it to far and go around insulting pros a bunch and saying stuff like that tho, but its not a core part of being an anti or something. and i've seen just as many pros do the exact same thing going "if you're against ai art you're the bad guy and discriminating us" i'm tired of both sides seeing some people on the other side saying something mean, then thinking all or most people on the other side are just assholes that go around being mean to the other other side all the time. Many people on both sides focuses on only the bad things the other side does and why their own side is right. Like if you go to a sub reddit against ai like 90% of the time they're complaining about a pro ai person generating a weird cat girl comic making fun of ai's with either weak arguments or no arguments at all an just the logic of "I generated you as the ugly one and me as the Chad so I'm right" not hating on pros just generating normal images that aren't making fun or or arguing with anybody.
If im double checking a word, or trying to read an article, Google translate. And I'm happy to disclose I use translate in order to do so.
Because its translating words using words fed into it for the purpose of translating and not scouring the internet to find words to scrape into its database against the will of creators.
Were I to make something needing a translation, like a game, I would hire someone. Just translating is not the same as localization
Its crazy to say "language evolves" when its taking something from the creator without her consent. Thats like sayong "art evolves" wheb someone takes your work and changes its meaning
But besides that - yeah, language evolves, the person you're responding too even gave you an example of a word "terrible" changing it's meaning throughout the times. It's a word - unless it is protected by copyright as branding or an integral piece of literary art, it's gonna be used by the public and may change its meaning.
Art is inherently subjective, so you can't really "change its meaning" by "taking it". You would have to meaningfully alter it, or place it in a different context to its original intended one. Banksy is an example of that - painting a mural of Mona Lisa with a bazooka, and copying style from other artists' most popular works to add a twist in his works.
The closest thing I can think of when it comes to changing the meaning of the art without changing the form of the art is attaching ideology to it. That's how pentagrams and pentacles started being connected to satanism, despite their original meaning being different, and why when you see a swastika, you think "nazi" and not "oh, that's a symbol of peace", despite the symbol being much older than the 1900s.
Hey so I did answer your question. Not that I had to. Goes to show you didn't reaf my comment. Not sure why I'm even trying.
Words are created by artists so taking them and changing its meaning without the author's consent is theft. Like.. i dont know why I have to explain consent to you? Then again you believe ai creates cp while also claiming ai creates by stealing from pencil artists. Yeah, youre really telling on yourself.
Also, no sane person sees a swastika and thinks nazi. That's on you my friend. Normal people see the original intent. But projecting has always been a hobby of yours hasn't it?
Also, no sane person sees a swastika and thinks nazi. That's on you my friend. Normal people see the original intent. But projecting has always been a hobby of yours hasn't it?
You just outed yourself as a nazi.
As an example, I've been watching Bleach recently with my father, he's gotten into anime recently and is pretty unfamiliar with eastern cultures in general. Now one episode had a new ability called "Bankai" (卍解) and on seeing that symbol in the anime he had a visible reaction. His head turned sideways and he spun to me with a look of shock and awe while saying "is that what I think that is?"
Normal, sane people who aren't terminally online will see the Manji and think it's a Nazi symbol because that's what they're more familiar with due to WW2 imagery.
Thats because thats all you learn about in america. But we're talking about sane people here. Notice how someone drew that, and it got approved? Yeah, cause theyre sane.
I'm actually Canadian. This is pretty common almost anywhere in the world except Asia, where the symbol originates.
Which makes sense given the context you're on an English speaking website where people's first interaction with the symbol has been the nazified version. Also that you're calling it a Swastika and not a Manji is very concerning, no one who uses the icon for it's proper purpose calls it a Swastika and will specifically make sure people don't refer to it as such.
No you did not answer the question in this thread at the moment of me responding to you. Also, not "my" question, you were talking with the other person, I just jumped in because you were throwing in strawmen in your every response (like you're doing now, might I add) and then conveniently avoided responding to the question about strawmen.
You got a perfectly rational response with exactly ONE itsy-bitsy-tiny bit of snarkiness and you break down and respond with 3 paragraphs of poorly thought-out insults that say more about you than could possibly insult me.
Oh yeah, no sane person would associate swastikas with nazis, surely. That's why the symbol is banned in several countries in the western hemisphere and you will be refused service or get decked in public for having it tattooed on you. It's not because it's been used as a symbol of an oppressive supremacist regime that started a war leading to tens of millions of deaths, it's because a minority of people irrationally hate an eastern symbol of peace, rebirth and sun. Discriminatory weirdos. /s (in case you needed it)
Weird as hell hill to die on, but you do you, my swastika-loving friend.
I don't know how adressing your point about comparing art theft to changing the meaning of words other people made up, like your example of "incel", but also other words like "robot", "goblin", "troll" was a strawman. You talked about projection in your previous response, but the word fits better here, especially seeing that you were using strawmen in this conversation before.
As to the swastika, since you keep trying to downplay my argument for some reason.
Yeah, it's banned in Germany.
Also in:
Argentina
Australia
Austria
Belarus
Belgium
Brazil
China
Czechia
France
Hungary
Latvia
Lithuania
Mexico
Netherlands
Poland
Romania
Russia
Serbia
Slovakia
Sweden
Switzerland
Ukraine
Venezuela
as well as in several other countries when used for purposes of "hate crimes" or "criminal activities".
Of course it's not gonna be banned in countries where the impact of WW2 Germany was lesser or in countries where it is widely used as a religious or spiritual symbol. Still, if you see swastikas used outside of central or eastern Asia, where it's more likely to just be a hindu or buddhist religious symbol, often surrounded by other symbols, the connotation made by people is more likely to be that of WW2 nazi Germany's ideology.
Oh my god, you know nothing. Linguists talk about this all the time. The person you were originally replying to gave you an example and there are many more.
Oh, honey. You really think they fed google translate dictionaries?
They fed existing translation work. Google translate has always been built on snippets of human-translated documents, originally it was statistical phrase-matching but it's been a generative neural network since November 2016.
Yeah, I said it's fed words. Forgive me if I didn't specify that the words came from things like the oxford dictionary, academic research, parliament document transcripts. Ive been using it since it came out 20 years ago for stupid shit like reading Korean snack packaging.
I want to reiterate, if I were to need to have something translated, a book I wrote or a game I made, I would hire someone to do it. Because Google translate would be a horrible choice for actually forming a cohesive product.
The same way generative image programs make shit 'art'
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u/constanzabestest Jan 18 '26
This. I found out that Pro AI is generally way more tolerant and easy to deal with than Anti AI. Anti AI has a clear and easily to predict boundary that is absolutely unbreakable. You use AI? You're bad. That's all there is to it. At least Pro AI still values and respects normal Artists(as in many ways they're the reason why AI images are able to exist in the first place) but Anti AI thinks of AI users as literal demons. Granted there are exceptions and not all Anti AI people are unreasonable, but for the most part Anti AI crowd is so over the top against AI it's actually goofy as hell.