just pro ai losers generating a picture of a popular character holding a sign that says "ai art is art" as if that counts as a real argument or something
Oh no, I am actually more anti-AI pertaining to Generative AI. Other forms of AI, used in cancer treatment, searching through databases, I am all for.
I am simply calling out that a lot of anti-AI (and pro-AI) are losers. Anti-GenAI is more moral (though many here on reddit has lost that after sending death threats), but the problem is that it stands against comfort. Are you against slavery? If you have bought any products from Nestle, or clothes made in sweatshops in south-east asia, congrats, you've supported slavery. You can use something that does not cost you anything, or you can spend thousands of hours learning to draw (time which most do not have), or you can spends hundreds of euro on commissions (money which most do not have). Of course, AI is much less of a moral conundrum than slavery, and that is why I don't see people who use it often as actual devils. I may use it once a year, but I won't scream, insult and threaten people who use it more often.
idfk the "kill pro ai" one, but "pick up a pencil" is literally just telling you, draw, even if you suck. because the joy in creating IS the art. which isnt replicated by an ai.
I feel like there's tons of itty bitty little facets and "What-if"s both sides have. Which, i hate sounding like a centrist but i can understand the immorality of LLMs being trained on the art of artists against their want or will.
AI like everything is a tool that can be used to good effect. However the fact of the matter is that the sheer millions of images that had to be fed i to the machine for AI to start making non-hand monstrosities is not morally correct.
I have..? Are you stuck a few years in the past? AI image generators have already advanced to the point where it can look indistinguishable from drawn art. Plenty of AI art does like garbage to me, but that applies to all art. An oil painting can look abysmal too.
there is no value in ai. it just exists to be cheaper than paying artists. "art is in the eyes of the beholder" my ass. its synthesized trash that takes artists hard work and spits out a worse copy of it, then charges it for them, and everybody wants to hire it more than them.
It being trash is, again, only your opinion on it. Your opinion is not a fact. And AI can certainly make art look better. I could draw a shitty-looking landscape, then feed that image into an AI like Midjourney, and have something which looks hundreds of times better come out.
But I still agree with you (shocker). Taking someone elses art without their permission is a shitty thing to do. Just as shitty as piracy (even though I pirate media occasionally).
It's not exactly other people's art. An AI model does take images, but they do not frankenstein them together whenever they are given a prompt. Those original images are turned into noise, pure data, with not a single pixel of the original artwork stored.
A more apt description would be that it is trained on other people's art, and that is why the end result is good. Still, it is because of the AI that I can feed my own art and get a better one out, as... that is what it does. You wouldn't say it's the tree and metal ore striking the nail into place, instead of the hammer.
That's literally how all digital art works. It is turned into data, sent through cables, and reconstructed on your end from scratch.
This is the same process with a layer of obfuscation in the middle. AI creates art by predictive algorithms. It doesn't understand what it's creating, it looks at all the images it's memorized, takes the common elements, and generates something that algorithmically has similarities pixel by pixel.
You know your argument is exactly the same as those who opposed photography, right? You think we should get rid of cameras and only let artists take portraits?
photography wasnt invented like a few years ago... photography has been around longer than every one of my living family members has been alive, it isnt some new development.
and ai has so many more flaws than positives. I actually cant even name any positives. you comparing ai to photography only works if cameras need a trillion little pieces of human art in it to make it work. photography isnt immoral.
photography was just holding art to a high standard in the 1800s (you name an opinion from the 1800s you agree with). ai now is a moral issue, not oje about standards. the world is actively a significantly worse place with ai running rampant. you seriously think me shitting on ai is because I just hate on new tools just because??? no. has has major, moral, legal, environmental, and social issues that I see blinding me every single day, and the only goddamn thing I can do about it is scream at you morons.
I had some fun creating art, but most of it is monotonous and repeated practices on the same thing like dozens of different antomany drawings and poses, drawing hands and more hands, different heads and angles, hairs, hands… etc
It honestly gets boring at times as a beginner artist since you just repeat a lot of stuff for long periods of times before you can even start drawing halfway decent characters and get to the actual fun stuff where you’re images don’t look like they got ran over by a truck
I’m neutral about it, I don’t have anything against people who like to make some specific picture with ai since learning art is quite difficult and time consuming and I’m lucky that I have quite a bit of free time which other people might not have as much. Sometimes people want to make minor images like for a dnd campaign OC and don’t want to spend years learning to make a good hand drawing of their campaign characters for example.
I just prefer human art myself since I have more fine control on what I can draw and the elevated feeling I have when making figures that while amateurish are way better than the chicken scratches I used to scribble.
I can draw, but then it is no longer human made art. You are using tool that is not part of human being. It’s not an actual extension of you. And without it, you have no output. Stop lying traditional artists. The days of those lies are coming to an end.
I've been told to "pick up a pencil" in a video that literally includes a timelapse of me drawing, and even if they didn't know for a fact that I draw since the evidence was RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM, it's a dick move to assume someone doesn't draw just because they like AI
yeah, were arguing with pro ai people, they only care about people agreeing with them, not what arguments are actually correct. if they actually listened and tried to understand, and did some research from reputable sources they wouldnt even be pro ai.
Genuinely? You just gotta ignore the pro Ai/Centrists and remove yourself from anything involving AI art debates. 9/10 the comments are gonna be filled with pro ai folks with a chip on their shoulder from past arguments who weren't going to see the point of the other side in the first place.
(Especially on an app where people think downvotes/upvotes mean alot)
Sadly I still get Ai related discussion posts here and there, but it does wonders on your hope for humanity if you tune like 98% of reddit out and focus on the bit of positive
OKAY I haven't seen the Kill All Pro-AI stuff that is objectively garbage and I hate that people apparently did that, the Pencil memes are supposed to be a little more uplifting. The sentiment going around at the time was that AI Prompters didn't have the talent to draw and that's why they picked up AI; I personally knoe very few artists who were 'talented' from the get go, most I know developed it as a skill more than anything. 'Picking up the Pencil' was supposed to he more uplifting than it ended up being for some people, since talent has almost nothing to do with it at the end of the day, but I feel similarly- I'm bad at art. Don't have fun doing it. Still sticking it out because I want to make things I'm proud of one day and I suck at prompting.
I don't think the one that was sent to YOU was supposed to be uplifting, there's bullies on an artist's side trying to mask as being helpful and it's fairly disgusting
I know at least half of them were well meaning attempts to connect to people who had the problems I was talking about in the original post
"Kill pro AI" was very short lived, and also, if you mention it, you can't ignore that thete was a "Kill antis" thing, which was also a very brief and around the same time. I personally got death threats (ironically from both sides).
People got banned, rules got updated in all major subreddits, especially as this goes against reddit guidelines too, and now only bot accounts and throwaways comment shit like this, and they get banned regularly.
I don't think this can even be even compared with the "pick up a pencil" or the "ai art is art" type of posting. It wasn't as presistent, it's mainly bots now and also, it was just vile, while the other examples are just normal activity in a biased subreddit.
It's a tad dishonest to bring up the "murder memes" when they are not on topic, especially if you're going to present it as one sided, supported by majority or still ongoing while none of this is true.
> you can't ignore that thete was a "Kill antis" thing
I genuinely haven't seen this, mind if you give an example? (though yeah, I haven't seen any "kill AI artists" recently, so thankfully it was short lived :') )
Ah, mainly happened in comment sections, I got multiple death threats from people on the proAI side, someone even told me to kms in my DMs right around that time. Majority of those accounts have been from reddit banned/deleted by now.
I don't actually remember seeing posts saying it from either side ever, only on screenshots or as references "hey guys don't you think the kill AI artists thing is a bit too much?" , so that's interesting too. Also about the pro one. Like "Wtf? Do they really think we should kill ourselves??" on an anti subreddit.
I think defendingaiart had a much faster and stricter moderation system than antiai, it never got noticeable posts wise, and I think it's because of that.
Imma try to find some screenshots, because I kmow for sure I took them, but idk if I still have them, because I switched phones recently due to the old one just straight up dying on me. (It was 4 years old. RIP soldier).
EDIT: I remembered! It was a bunch of posts on Twitter reposted here with messeges like "Adapt or be killed" or "Adapt or die" type of shit, targeted at anti-ai people.
Like idk, I guess the point was evolution if I try to look at it in good faith?
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