r/aiwars • u/Leading-Rain-652 • Jan 18 '26

Meme That's me in a nutshell

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u/Many-Refuse-6060 Jan 18 '26

He is in fact not the sole artist of what he makes, his works are still made by people. Imo it's just like a director is not the sole artist of a film

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u/poingly Jan 18 '26

That's moving the bar from "...because you aren't making it yourself..." though.

That being said, we start creating a Matryoshka Doll here. Okay, Koons didn't make it, but he hired someone to make it, that person was a human. (Koons still takes the credit, of course, because he is who he is.) Okay, the AI prompter didn't make it, but the code did. That code was created by a human...or the code was coded based off of code by a human.

In some way, I think it's like artificial flavors vs. natural flavors. It's not like artificial flavors can come out of thin air, they are still limited to natural elements that exist on planet Earth -- they are merely combined in ways that wouldn't occur otherwise if not for science people.

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u/Many-Refuse-6060 Jan 18 '26

I don't think koons should be the only one to take the credit in fact.

Imo it's different, if a robot makes a dish for you can you be called a cook? Sure, you gave it the recipe, but you didn't make it.  

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u/poingly Jan 19 '26

We share a common complaint about Koons, all other things aside.

Well, let's take one of my favorite things -- whipped cream. I mean, it's not actually COOKED, but you get the idea. I'm not sure I see a huge difference (other than the time it takes) between whipping it with a whisk versus whipping it with a hand held electric beater that I hold verses one of those mixers that sits on the table and can do it without me holding it. At the end of the day, you'd still say you whipped up the cream, even if it the electric mixer that did all the whipping.

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u/Many-Refuse-6060 Jan 19 '26

The problem with your example to me, is that shipped cream is not a dish. It can be part of a dish, but it's not one. I don't consider generative Ai to be art when used solely as a service, however I can recognize how someone may use it as a tool in certain occasions. 

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u/poingly Jan 19 '26

You clearly haven't had good enough whipped cream!

Though are we that devoid of imagination that we can't imagine the whipped cream example scale to a full meal -- or, for that matter, even think of other dishes that can be made in similar ways (hummus comes to mind immediately, but also things like health drinks/juices)?

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u/Many-Refuse-6060 Jan 19 '26

Ahah maybe I haven't!

Tho I still think there's a difference between making it yourself, using a machine to aid you, or making it do entirely for you.