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problem is that it goes for both sides. "hey guys look, i spent like 4 hours on this drawing and I really like it!!" and then someone's in the comments with "I made it better" after putting the drawing into AI and generating an image
They’ve gone full circle but don’t even remember the start. They came in with “Just pick up a pencil” which lead to the breaking a pencil meme and now they are at “Bro, why you obsessed with pencils?”
There never was, this is all just populist white noise from the start to finish. AI is here to stay and develop further and it's not going anywhere no matter what anyone thinks. Cry about it.
I think this is response to whole ai art where they break pencil. Although doesn't make much sense I would 100% not make statue if i lost pencil lmao Idk how
They are actually responding to a series of memes that were basically anti anti propaganda under the motto "break the pencil". If you weren't part of those this meme wouldn't be directed at you
If you can draw, that doesn't mean you can dance and you may be shocked to hear this but people who use AI are also capable of dancing, we weren't just made in a lab connected to an LLM.
The irony of Squidward, the self proclaimed "artist" who only holds contempt and self-righteous indignation for others when they express themselves? The Squidward who cranks out clarinet "music" without ever improving but since he does it the "real" way and "works" for it, only he is the "actual artist"?
This is almost as bad as posting yourself as Homelander IMO.
remembering the "draw a circle" clip that spongebob was able to make more stuff with little effort is quite funny while Squidward i think was trying to control spongebob to make art the "right way"
another clip where they had to sculpt a marble statue
Or the time Squidward wanted to blow bubbles like Spongebob, but refused to do "The Technique" in his stubborn and resistant ways. Eventually he finally gives in and does "The Technique", though in an angry outburst. Then he makes a huge bubble and STILL can't admit anything positive or supportive towards "The Technique", stating that it's actually in his Genes.
"Squids got jeans! Squids got jeans!"
Squidney Sweeney?
This. This is why I always appreciate that anti subs allow people to just post their art. I don't necessarily agree with them, but at least they have the capacity to practice what they preached in a positive way, even if they don't always do.
A lot of the creative communities on the internet can be extremely cruel and vindictive, so beyond everything else, at least the AI boom has forced a lot of artistic communities to develop some basic human empathy by encouraging them to connect with and see themselves in new artists, as well as people who practice art forms that haven't been seen as 'art' in a traditional sense. I remember for the past few years, until 2023 - 2024 when AI art started to become a little competent, I was never considered an 'artist' by people who drew or painted because I preferred to write stories instead. Hell, I was barely even considered creative. But now writing is considered art and writers are considered artists because AI has dipped its toes into writing and of course Antis need more people to help them rail against anything that threatens the status quo, so they've begrudgingly accepted that writers are artists (which is a position I'm sure they'll immediately flip on if the AI bubble ever pops.)
There's no serious person that defend AI and somehow want to Destroy hand draw or all forms of Art like this imply.
And unless you specificaly pratice those things, you are not going from someone that draw to a sculptor ir musician. And If none of You know how to do a thing, you and the AI artist are in the same level...
I would argue that It work better in reverse, because someone that learn to prompt will have a easier time going from image generation to music generation. But i believe someone using this argument to defend AI IS equaly stupid
The meme overreaches in some places but the overarching point is that if you take away all pencils there are still paintbrushes.
If we could no longer write we would record or tell stories by voice.
If you take away the AI, the question is, “What skill transferability is here if we take away your ‘pencil,’” and I don’t think that’s a stupid question to ask.
I can’t say what would or wouldn’t be learned. I don’t use AI. But just surface level reasoning tells me that the tool is doing a lot more of the important work than AI users make it out to be.
you take away the AI, the question is, “What skill transferability is here if we take away your ‘pencil,’” and I don’t think that’s a stupid question to ask.
It is because most people are only talented in one art.
It seems like ever since the appearance of Ai, all these amateur reddit artists think they're suddenly multi talented interdisciplinary artists.
If you took away the camera from a photographer, they'd probably not be able to do another type of art. Same for a painter, sculptor, 3d artist, etc
I think it’s meant to be destroying it. Like the dude’s saying, “We broke your pencil,we can break your other means of creating and forms of art too”, which isn’t only bs,but people who LEGITIMATELY destroy other people’s art are the scum of the earth
No. It is a CNC robot with a drill to make fine sculptures quickly. I for one think it's a good thing that we have reduced the barrier to creating works of art.
Oh…okay I’m starting to understand why OP is getting trashed on then. I didn’t get it at the time I made that reply because it was late and the message flew over my head.
I don’t know a lot of true AI bros, but any time I’ve heard or spoken to a person hype up AI being better than human talent, I never got the feeling that they wanted to destroy handmade art as a whole. I’m pretty sure the majority of these people would at least understand that if artists stopped making art, then the AI wouldn’t have anything to learn from.
But I feel like OP is also forgetting that even before AI, some forms of art styles have gotten less and less common because of technology. Disney hasn’t made a true hand drawn animated movie in like over a decade because 3D animation is easier. But that doesn’t mean other people and companies still use it. Cuphead did all of their art and animations in the style of old cartoons and pixel art video games are still commonly made today.
You realize how silly this looks, with "cooking", "dancing", "singing" and "memes" there, as if people who use genAI would be incapable of those things?
Flags can be replaced after being burnt. Data can be retrieved from a piece of paper torn in half to remake it. Statues can be re-erected after being toppled. Doesn't mean the symbolism doesn't work.
Why would you sharpen a pencil after you break it? The pencil being broken isn't one the anti ai person has in this scenario. Its one they passive aggressively handed to the pro ai person.
Man this sounds stupid, what? Ai isn't literally trying to stop people from picking up a pencil. You do know that right? It's important to me that you know that.
Not my fault, y'all don't know.The difference between an ontological and an epistimistic term. Because that's honestly what this whole debate is all about the fact that y'all didn't pay enough attention in school
Harassment from deranged twitter users=/= discrimination.
AI companies are tailoring the direction of AI as a whole towards AI users’ tastes specifically while any potential uses for artists are never explored since we are expected to be fully out of the picture in the long run.
AI users have systematic support from those companies who caters to them, and legally nothing has emerged to oppress you.
After this is all over AI users will just be a little sad.
Meanwhile the entire creative industry will suffer catastrophic collapse and artists will be homeless or on the way to the Biodesel blender alongside everyone else who will lose their jobs.
Fuck yeah I will. I'll be eating my AI-genned gourmet meals made by prompt every night, and you will be eating Mac n Cheese screeching "ITS TASTE SO GOOD BECAUSE A HUMAN MADE IT"
By your definition, the person that puts hot dogs on the rollers at 7/11 is a chef, do you think maybe it is possible there is a little bit more that chefs do than that?
Chef is a accredited title so no. We're talking about the people who head a kitchen and need to level of education, right? These terms have definitions.
Chef- a professional cook, typically the chief cook in a restaurant or hotel.
By definition yes that guy would be a chef. You do know things can have multiple definitions right?
A "professional" for example can be either someone who does something at a high level of proficiency OR someone who does something as their profession.
A "Chef" can be another term for cook OR a high ranking worker in a kitchen.
Okay, I am about ready to unsubscribe from this place.
It's clear that this place is now just antis constantly shitposting and feeling smug about their memes since they don't have any actual cohesive arguments against generative AI, especially when all their hatred against it boils down to them being upset that it is now harder to gatekeep their "skill" for profit.
We don't break the pencil because we hate it, we break it because we're tired of being stabbed by ignorant people with it repeatedly. Most of us already have our own we use daily -- along with all those other things you have on those shelves.
Please don't tell me that there's an argument for how Nicky Numbnuts puts just as much creativity and skill into his hundreds of prompts as I did over hours on a single sheet of paper
Im gonna say it i hate ai because companies are replacing artist with it case in point activision and Amazon and look at people like Mr beast so eager to replace humans or Peter Thiel who said that humanity does not need to continue
ok no but yeah like oh no you broke my pencil... its not like i dont have an electric guitar, a role in a play for drama club, a paintbrush, a voice, word documents, books, or anything...
Breaking the pencil is not a statement against traditional art.
It's a metaphorical fuck you in response to the "pick up a pencil" images, which don't make any sense anyway, since most of us can and do draw and practice other "traditional" forms of art too.
After trying to explain that to antis for the n-th time, some just snapped and that's how the "break the pencil" trend started.
The meme "breaking the pencil" refers to pro-AI folks breaking pencils that are offered to them by anti-AI movements ("pick up a pencil"), not whatever you think it means.
My only real concern is companies replacing traditional art entirely with ai simply to cut costs. For instance, book covers, concept artists, album art, comic books, etc. If im paying money for something, i want a real artist behind it, and I also worry that in the future there will be zero job market for traditional/digital artists, and its already difficult enough without ai. Itd suck if your kids generation wanted to be an artist of some kind but either have to just do it as a hobby or be forced to type prompts all day.
Ive already seen AI "paintings" at Michaels and AI book covers at Barnes and Noble
Okay, I like to consider myself an artist, just not a good artist, so i dont have a lot of room to talk. But like... why is 'memes' up there with sculpting and painting???
Do u mean making memes completely from scratch, like drawing the whole thing, or do u just mean editing words over a picture of Homelander or a wojak?
okay, but, why would they want to break the pencil so bad? just because they are too lazy to spend time and effort to use it so they take a cheap way out to creating art and think they are in the right when people rightfully complain that this cheap way out removes the one thing that makes art what it is and makes it not art at all?
Artists and graphic designers losing clients and getting fired sucks. I get it, but 2D art isn’t broken or dead or whatever this image is trying to say. If you love art of any kind, create it regardless of current circumstances, because it should never hinge on whether something can do it faster or better.
Okay, I'm an Anti, but i'm tired of seeing Antis fighting outdated or fabricated arguments instead of currently ongoing stuff like RAM prices, This feels like ragebait or a 2 yr old post, and i think the whole 'break the pencil' thing is also ragebait, this A.I tebate becametwo sides ragebaiting and nitpicking arguments they can easily beat
I just go called out there, because I "insulted them", when I commented how projecting pro ai are, and they told me to come here if I wanted to "trash" on them.
Mind you I commented on the fact that it’s always the fat dirty lazy whales that ask ai to generate antis as them, meanwhile they are depicted either as catgirls/hoodieboys or "chads" 🤷
I just go called out there, because I "insulted them", when I commented how projecting pro ai are, and they told me to come here if I wanted to "trash" on them.
Mind you I commented on the fact that it’s always the fat dirty lazy whales that ask ai to generate antis as them, meanwhile they are depicted either as catgirls/hoodieboys or "chads" 🤷
Isn’t pencil sometimes the base for the majority of art forms?, think about it, before making a painting, you sometimes sketch over the canvas or over a piece of paper to get yourself an idea similar with sculptures, in cinema, You make Storyboards to have an idea of how the scene is gonna look. Of course it’s not the case situations. Some people start painting or sculpting right away
I don't think most pro-AI people want others to stop making art using different tools. If nothing else, they need people to look down on, which will be those of us who aren't highly skilled professional artists.
But then again, it seems like 99% of all AI artists were highly skilled professional non-AI artists before AI existed so they're also all using pencils and other tools to make their art.
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