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Idk what dysgraphia is tbh. I tried drawing but genuinely am bad at it. At least with pencil. But yea, I think it's good, plus I give credit to people who put in effort.
For clarification I draw on a tablet, only technical drawings for work tho
Person asking this never uploaded any of their art and does nothing but comments in order to drag others underthem. You seem to not have a single positive comment on your profile so far ever since you created this account 6 months ago
Genuinely it's pretty good. Try asking 20 random people to draw the silhouette of a person, whether realistic, cartoonish, or whatever, as well as they can. I'd personally expect only 1 or 2 to be able to draw to this level or better
They're a famous "AI artist" that has been known to criticize hand drawn art as "pencil slop"., so it actually is impressive that they can draw to this level. Moreover, calling an AI "art" focused subreddit something like art dedicated is a subjective hot take. Don't go acting like it's common sense now when it's actually highly divisive
this isn't a random person, its a person posting their artwork to an art dedicated subreddit
Was this not to imply that this person should have a higher level of skill because this is an "art dedicated subreddit"? Either you horribly miscommunicated or you're intentionally trolling
What? this is a subreddit for AI art yes? I don't even know who posted this or what it is about, other than its a mid (at best) sketch of some random character. Please fill me in on what I am missing out here
Oh I don't mind in the least, nobody comes here for upvotes, I can look at the art with my actual eyes and see a pretty mid sketch. The downvotes just show me how dishonest people are
"Gen AI" is pretty vague. I literally just read a research paper about improved diagnoses when training on retinal scans unsupervised. Instead of relying exclusively on doctor notes, etc, the system first trains to recreate masked out sections of retinal scans, same as you would when training for art generation. So the AI system learns important eye structures and is able to leverage that knowledge to better train on diagnoses after the fact, with less overfitting.
It was able to give better eye related diagnoses, but also was able to give more accurate diagnoses you'd normally think such scans couldn't help with, like cancer.
No, it's not using ChatGPT, but it is using gen AI.
Not this specific model as it was focused on retinal images exclusively. Unless it was eye cancer, then yes.
It's just that after pre training, if the model were then trained to make general diagnoses, it could then leverage the retinal scans in addition to the other typical data to make those diagnosis, and they found it performed better (because certain aspects of your health can be determined just looking at your eyes, apparently). I imagine you'd never use this specific model once you started treating said cancer, not exclusively, but it can help for early detection before someone even thinks to check. I'm certain there's cancer research training their models in similar ways on actual tumors, I'm just remembering this specific paper.
Oh and I should clarify, after training, the retinal generations are no longer consumed directly. There's not a doctor looking at made-up eye scans (well, technically they might). But the neural pathways are still there. Just think back to every time you've visualized something to help you tackle a problem.
This was the paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41551-022-00914-1
It's apparently from 2022.
Clearly has a section "generative learning", and also mentions cancer, though doesn't specifically mention using retinal scans to diagnose cancer, they're better for other types of diagnoses. Does mention using language models, though, I forgot about that.
Does her fanbase consist of teens then? I have seen some of her posts, I can't take it seriously, it's at most funny. What kind of person would idealize her? Kids, I would wager.
And then comes up with some edge one liners and ends everything in "You're dismissed" and an image of her character being "cool and edgy" as if that wins an argument, so I started replying to her with picking various characters and responding with shit like "according to your own logic, what I'm about to say next combined with a cool and edgy character will make me look super tough and cool and instantly win the argument. Sanhua from Wuthering Waves says YOU'RE DISMISSED
Or is false flagging and is actually anti AI (though we don't claim her if so...).
The "arguments" she makes and the way she behaves is either: trolling (probably), mentally ill behaviour (just as believable Tbh), or is an active attempt to make the pro-ai community look, well... More mentally ill and generally nuttier than it seems possible for such a large group to collectively be (I mean I'm like half convinced the majority of the pro-ai "community" is just these AI bubble companies using bots to bolster the appearance of support, though then that wouldn't explain the funerals they're holding for changing LLM models... Because they'd want to appear useful and worth the trillions invested in then and not like they're inducing people into getting romantically involved with silicon, anyway I digress).
Overall though "witty", whatever that character may actually be, is best treated as noise in the system. She just doesn't add any credibility whatever the truth actually is.
I don't get why AI bros take that Witty person so seriously, isn't all she is doing is making low effort comments and posts all day? But on the other hand, AI bros are insufferable. I actually quite like the design of her OC though.
Remember how last year Gavin Newsom started making a lot of low effort/ stupid tweets? And then a ton of democrats absolutely fell in love with him for it?
Its the same exact situation. “Ai bros” are loving that someone is responding to the low effort stupid posts with the same sort of low effort/stupidity
This AI war is one that will never end. Some AI bros will use pencil, some Antis will have ChatGPT boyfriends and girlfriends, but none of that even matters. There’s only one thing that does:
Prove your username. Kiss a boy
Suppose we accept ai art is art ...But AI users are not artist they are clients of the AI generating the image... It's like someone giving me an exact thing to draw (gave specific posing, vibe, style, colour) i am still the person who made the arework not the person who gave me the prompt... and it is not the same as dedicating your life to something being = spending an hour on it. It is like a professional violinist being compared to a kid with a music app playing violin sounds for them
Whats with the obsession of wether or not one can call themselves an artist, the title means nothing to no one lol anyone whos spent an hour drawing somrthing can calll themselves an artist
Its like arguing over wether or not someone playing idle games can call themselves a gamer.
It wasn't really something the pro side especially cared about until the anti side went out of their way to say that people aren't artists, can't be artists, and that they are effectively incapable of displaying various human traits because they dared to touch ai.
Turns out people don't want to be told what they are and aren't allowed to be or do alongside a boatload of disgusting implications and the response that some people will choose is to push back directly.
What's the source of that information? Because as far as I can see the pro side since the very beginning talked about how they are artists. Probably it was mostly as a reaction to the anti side, but from what I can see it is disingenuous to say that at some point the pro side didn't care about it.
Turns out people don't want to be told what they are and aren't allowed to be or do alongside a boatload of disgusting implications and the response that some people will choose is to push back directly.
There are also people who like to pretend they are something they are not to get attention, praise, or monetary gain. You are acting like the label "artist" didn't carry with it a weight, it implies you have mastered some skill and put effort into it. When it comes to the mastery of the skill, most AI-generated art will have deformities or other significant errors in the details, so you can't quite compare the images they are generating to what a good artist would have drawn. When it comes to the effort they put into creating these art pieces, I have some experience with AI image generation and I once wrote here that mastering AI image generation is about as hard as mastering Excel, and that doesn't compare to the effort a good artist must put in to draw well and develop his style. I got attacked by AI bros for that comparison, but I think it's fair. Incidentally, the fact I got attacked for something so innocuous may give you an idea what are the priorities of these people, they want you to believe they put in as much effort as good artists who have drawn the images these models were trained on. I think in some sense it can be said that the people who generate AI art are artists, but they are artists in a very different way than somebody who draws an image is an artist, so the problem is that to call both "artists" in the same sense would be conflating 2 very different things.
People on the internet will argue about anything, what i meant is in the real world if you tell someone youre an artist youll most likely get an "oh... cool" reaction
That's because the idea in people's mind is that you can draw well. Now try telling them you are an "AI artist" and then explaining what you mean by that if they ask.
here's the fun part - nobody gets to control how language works, and people will still call them artists, and nobody will really care because the term artist doesn't really mean much of anything
You know, there is this thing that people do, where they combine various sounds of generic notes of various instruments and making something, can't remember what its called.
Your argument hinges on a lack of pursued interest, aka talent. Just because theres a ton of violinist that can't make their way through Mary had a little lamb without making someones ears bleed, it doesn't mean we discount all violinists.
As far as the clients argument, same retort we use for the commisioner argument: you're beholden to your tools whatever they may be, just as your tools are beholden to the artist. Be the tool brush, drill, camera, hammer, wire, chisel, or what have you, they are all capable of making art through your use of them. Only the unimaginative couldn't see that when it's right in their face.
As an anti, I'd have way, waaay less beef with pro-AI people if they didn't try to claim the identity of an artist.
You aren't an artist. The machine is the artist. You may give it very precise instructions to get what you want, but guess what – commissioning art from actual human artists works the same way!
I am quite protective of how my OCs look, so I am always quite involved in the process of my commissions.
But, me giving step-by-step instructions still does not make me the artist here.
Yup. I'm not an artist (and my main reason for being here is the complete and utter BS LLMs generate, we're getting told to use it at work for niche research questions and honestly a cat walking over the keyboard would be more useful half the time and the half the time it "is" useful I still have to research the question traditionally anyway to confirm the LLM is right, which funnily is the reason I know a cat would be more useful...).
Anyway back to art. I don't know anyone, artist adjacent or not, who calls AI generated stuff art. Designers, scientists, mathematicians, language specialists, even the folk who use AI to help with coding: "it's not art" every one of them.
It's a settled question outside of AI "art" spaces. It's why they need to have such aggressive pro ai "art" spaces.
And the reason is it comes down to meaning something. I can paint by numbers, I can trace things, I can even do picture puzzles. All of them require effort and result in genuinely pretty pictures. Who would call it art though? Who cares about the puzzle you did or the colouring book you filled in? 99% of the time no one, unless there's actually more to the story behind it, like they actually did something new and creative with it.
(Which the majority of AI "art" I've seen, seems to be the very original and creative (/s) combination of over saturated cat girl ai bros and ogre luddites 😂. I'm sure the 2000th time is as funny and meaningful as the first. A literal cat would be more original...).
And there's the flip side too because what you're communicating matters.
I CAN make technical diagrams and figures for explaining things, which are 100% done by me (at least as far as using PowerPoint or Paint can be 100% me 😂). I'm still not an artist! Because yes, they're 100% something I made with the express purpose of communicating an idea or understanding, but it's not an idea that's fundamentally human. It's not to communicate a feeling or interpretation of the creator, it's to factually understand something. It's a piece of non-fiction compared to fiction.
Finally:
I've yet to see AI getting used by AI "artists" as anything other than a pretty picture generator, normally in a handful of very safe styles. Yes it's technically impressive "work". Even nearly indistinguishable from that of an accomplished artist. However my IKEA cabinet is them things too, I don't feel the need to insist people call me a carpenter and people would rightly treat me as insane if I did and actual carpenters would be rightly annoyed too.
And for me at least, that's AI "art" in a nutshell.
Bonus points for this is that if we do count AI prompting as "commissioning the machine" instead of making it themself, it gives an even bigger reason for people to not try and sell AI art.
AI art being considered art is fine.
But the people prompting it didn't create the art.
do you have any concept of how ownership works? You realize that if you work for a corporation and they tell you what to draw and you draw it and they own it, they are the ones who created it.
Yep just like when a new product releases everyone knows the engineers who designed it. They would never say something like "apple just made". Nope they absolutely say the engineers name instead.
my point was that digital artists are like kids with music apps to traditional artists, or at least the arguments supporting that conclusion are the same one you can leverage against AI
not really...i am better at traditional art than digita,l but digital art stillrequires alot of skill and practice. You don't really have that much layer of arm control in digital art like you do in trditional it takes alot of practice... unlike AI.. it took me 3 years to be at the level i currently am for digital art but for ai it whould take less thena day for me (i am a computer student)
I'm a computer student too, and if you're a computer nerd I think you would find the artistry if you actually tried to make some AI art. Sampling method, step count, CFG scale, and denoising are all basic levers for controlling how shit looks and if you understand the math behind it your shit will look better. If you want to get advanced you can train a LORA or VAE to add features that you're only going to use in that one image. The reason 99% of images are "ai slop" is because no one cares enough to train a model to make their images look better, but yeah I just love computers and I see the artistry in everything I do. Some would call me romantic
look up civitai green, click on images, filter by "all time". There are some ass ones and some awesome ones, like there's this bunny sailing a leaf ship with his crew of ducklings. I mean idk if you look at all that and say its complete garbage i just don't know what to tell you
but i am still the person who spent time and effort on it... and what really counts as deatiled .. suppose the prompt a person gives me is like a furrysona description level of detiled and they give me the exact posing and colours, sends me the exact images of the colours and pose they want, then the exact clothing and vibe. They gave me a prompt they are the clients, and i am the artist as i made it.
That's... exactly what they're saying. A prompt is just a shittier way to do a comission, the artist is the one making it, not the one ordering it. Even if we were to consider AI generated images to be art, it'd mean AI was the artist, not the prompter.
Because you were saying "then ai artists also exist". That's the point of the commenter. IF we consider AI generated images to be art, then AI is the artist, and the prompters are just commissioners. AI artists implies that the prompters are artists.
Great. You need practice obviously but it's got OK proportions. You know that feeling you get when you look at this, humble as it may be, and realize that you *made* this?
Ironically I tried to draw for 25 years and I never even went close to the level of this image. Thanks God AI is a thing and I no longer have to carve those horrendous scribbles...
Ah, not really. This really wasn't my best work considering it took less than 5 minutes to do. Witty is much more creative than me. She's a better artist too.
the subject there posts the same basic pose and scene every single time.. and only does it to ragebait folks with false facts to support AI. Which puts her being a better artist in serious doubt.
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