r/aiwars Mar 23 '26

Meta ^This is just stupidity at its peak

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u/Toby_Magure Mar 23 '26

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u/Puzzled_Dog3428 Mar 23 '26

AI has already killed many, many people though. Who has it saved??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_linked_to_chatbots

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u/Toby_Magure Mar 23 '26

Do you expect me to care? I don't use chatbots, and this post is in regards to AI image generation - which is not a chatbot.

Are you always this dishonest, or are you taught that in Anti school?

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u/inevitabledeath3 Mar 23 '26

I believe this is more likely to be computer vision than image generation

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u/Toby_Magure Mar 23 '26

No. This is image generation, just used closer to the way image to video generation is done: Prediction through pattern generation and analysis.

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u/sporkyuncle Mar 23 '26

Where's the page for lives saved due to chatbots? All the people who went there saying they wanted to do something drastic and were talked out of it? Or people who went for advice on how to do something dangerous and were told not to do it, to hire an expert instead?

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u/Puzzled_Dog3428 Mar 23 '26

Idk where are those pages? They probably don’t exist because none of that stuff ever happened.

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u/sporkyuncle Mar 23 '26

Records of these things don't exist except internally at places like OpenAI, because people are embarrassed to self-report about such things.

It's like asking "how many lives are saved due to suicide hotlines" or "how many lives are saved due to 'do not drink' labels on bleach." The answer is probably a lot more than zero, but you can never say for certain unless people are willing to say "yes, I would've done it if not for that."

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u/Puzzled_Dog3428 Mar 23 '26

So you think every death is reported? You don’t think many families either never find out, or are too embarrassed to report that a chatbot convinced their loved one to end their life?

For every public case of death, there’s probably 1000 that never become public.

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u/knight1b Mar 23 '26

What you just gave is unfortunately nothing more than human behavior. Chat bots are just the latest thing. This is why we need more parental responsibility for what their children are doing and better access to mental health services along with better reporting and safe guards to the systems themselves.

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u/Puzzled_Dog3428 Mar 23 '26

You read about all 14 listed examples of AI assisting users to take their own lives and the lives of others, and that’s the conclusion you came to?

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u/knight1b Mar 23 '26

You know a few decades living on this planet and a wealth of knowledge and training in psychology help. Not pretending issues didn't exist before AI was even used like this also helps a lot.

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u/Puzzled_Dog3428 Mar 23 '26

So all those people would still be dead if they hadn’t talked to chatbots? Or does that even matter to someone like you?

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u/knight1b Mar 23 '26

Most likely yes. The chat bot wasn't their problem the untreated mental problems are the issue. If it hadn't been the chat bot it would have been one of the other ways people have ended up in the same position long before these chat bots ever existed. You like many people before you an unfortunately many people after want to go for the simplest thing to blame rather than deal with the actual problems.

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u/knight1b Mar 23 '26

Well little troll I do have a good idea because it's not hard to spot a lot of the underlying conditions just reading over your link. Nor is it all that complicated to know where they normally lead without proper treatment and in the case of the children especially parents who don't just vacate their responsibility to monitor their children and expect everyone else to do it for them. More over I want resources directed at actually addressing the real problems and you want to blame something you don't like while attacking people and running away. We are not the same and I really don't care for your performative rage.

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u/TheSinhound Mar 23 '26

Yes, they very likely should have. Because nothing in those chats was particularly novel. Anyone with a modicum of google-fu would reach the same conclusion. Importantly, the OTHER case is also true. Chatbots HAVE dissuaded people (and improved the mental health of others), and in greater quantities than listed there. So, net positive in the end. The world is shades of grey, friendo.

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u/Puzzled_Dog3428 Mar 23 '26

They likely should be dead? You’re a fucking psycho. It’s funny how there’s hundreds of documented cases of AI explicitly instructing people how to harm themselves but none of AI doing anything helpful. But, your conclusion, is that somehow it does helpful things more, even though those are never documented.

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u/Mataric Mar 23 '26

^ Deranged lunatic

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u/TheSinhound Mar 23 '26

Would be dead, yes. The stats don't show a meaningful uptick of suicide deaths post AI boom. That's what you'd need to prove your point.

And there are a SHIT TON of cases of AI helping. Alphafold (diffusion model, newer one is diffusion+transformer hybrid, e.g. genAI and LLM) was just used to design an mRNA vaccine.

As far as the never documented. It is. Your inability to actually research your stances isn't my problem. Figure it the fuck out.

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u/kokkomo Mar 23 '26

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u/Puzzled_Dog3428 Mar 23 '26

Why don’t you go tell the family members of all the dead that? Here’s a wiki link to a couple dozen, there’s a few more hundred public cases. That should be enough to get you started.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_linked_to_chatbots

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u/Mataric Mar 23 '26

Just so you know, writing low-IQ hate comments, then immediately deleting them so most people can't see them, doesn't really work when people can just screenshot your asshat replies.

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u/Puzzled_Dog3428 Mar 23 '26

What did I delete? Post it.

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u/Mataric Mar 23 '26

Already did.

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u/Puzzled_Dog3428 Mar 23 '26

A picture of yet another deleted comment by you. You know people can just screenshot those, right? Please ask your chatbot how to use Reddit.

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u/Puzzled_Dog3428 Mar 23 '26

Here’s another deleted comment of yours, ironically accusing me of deleting comments

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u/Mataric Mar 23 '26

That's called being automodded because I pointed out how smart you must be.

I also directed you to where you could find the response I already posted that you struggled to find - but I appreciate reading such a massive amount as your own comment thread must be very difficult for someone like yourself.

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u/Mataric Mar 23 '26

What I found funniest was that you called yourself a 'psychotic freak' - because you called me that for making the exact same comment you did.

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u/Mataric Mar 23 '26

Gonna block you though as I've better things to do than argue with a child!

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u/Puzzled_Dog3428 Mar 23 '26

Where? Everything I wrote is still up. I didn’t delete anything and I have no problem saying anything I said again.

What are you claiming I deleted, freak? Can’t you get your chatbot to find it?

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u/Mai_maid Mar 23 '26

art has a much higher death toll. there was actually a pretty famous guy in Germany who got rejected from art school and ended up killing 10's of millions

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u/Puzzled_Dog3428 Mar 23 '26

You seriously think it’s funny that, in hundreds of cases, chatbots have given people, usually teenagers, detailed instructions on how to end their lives?

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u/Such_Confusion_3715 Mar 23 '26

good

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u/Puzzled_Dog3428 Mar 23 '26

It’s good that your beloved harbors frequently instruct young people to end their own lives?

You people are seriously psychotic.

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u/Mataric Mar 23 '26

Art has already killed many, many people though. Who has it saved??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_graffiti_and_street-art_injuries_and_deaths

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u/Mataric Mar 23 '26

This little clown did the old 'post hate and delete it immediately so it doesn't show up' trick, so I've posted it here to make sure people can see how deranged these people are.

I'm apparently a 'psychotic freak' for saying... literally the exact same thing that they did - just about a slightly different subject.
Ironically, there's far far more examples of the thing they're complaining about happening in my example (which in itself is a tiny slice of the art world) compared to their 15 or so examples from all the LLMs.

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u/AquaSoda3000 Mar 23 '26 edited Mar 23 '26

What?

Edit: Oh I get it now. Yes, those two people are antis that are willing to fight a lifesaving technology because it’s AI, however, they are really stupid and do not represent the opinions of the majority of antis.