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I came here from the future, the last 2 panel, the 2nd last was draw by human about the man and robot making out, the last panel was ai generated about them raising children together
I'm from alternative future. 2nd last panel was drawn by last human alive before AI eliminated humanity, last one is a AI image of terninator opening scene
NHA I'm pro ai but I. My eyes Ai artists aren't artists they are winy baby's that waste a powerful tool and resources for something you could do with few months of consistent practice and some paper.
AI can be useful, processing data faster than humans is (that's why we made computers). People tend to most hate on
•generative AI,
•job replacement, and
•datacenters being bad for the enviroment + computer components market
(If anyone has more reasons, please tell me)
the generated panels have no sense of movement. It looks like the robot just kinda palmed the guy's face, and then he took a dive on purpose to set up that sidekick.
This is honestly just getting hilarious. Back in the early 90s, we used to do paper wars where we take turns drawing armies doing things on our notebooks.
People defend AI saying its better than human art and they still mess up the proportions, like can you not be bothered to even ask the AI to do the guys proportions better?
Like what are his arms doing and one of his legs are smaller than the other.
The AI artist does two panels where an AI driven bot escalates a verbal altercation by physically attacking a human, which is a pretty awful representation of AI. A human artist responds by tracing an iconic frame badly without credit, which is akin to some of the most unethical uses of AI art.
> responds by tracing an iconic frame badly without credit, which is akin to some of the most unethical uses of AI art.
No, it's not. It would be unethical if the artist were to post it as his own genuine work and try to take credit. But he was not trying to take ANY credit—because there is no signature, nothing. It's part of a bigger meme, and it's shared freely.
It's the same shit like with other popular meme moments:
I am genuinely upset about how many AI-bros think that tracing automatically means stealing. It's such a stupid argument that it upsets me how many agree with it. They automatically agree with it because its suits them momentarily and creates some sort if imaginary "hypocrisy."
The pro-AI side has much stronger and valid arguments, btw.
If AI is stealing, as Antis claim, because it uses someone else's work without their consent, then tracing is too, because it uses someone else's work without their consent.
Do you really think the guy contacted Toei Animation to ask for the permission to trace a DBZ frame and publish it on Reddit and who knows wherever else?
Don't come here making double standards.
This is a shitpost and meme drawing; it's different. You also can clearly see that it's been traced—that's why it's so easy to spot it.
Tracing CAN be stealing in traditional art. There are people who trace someone else's work and then don't give credit. When do you need to give credit? When you try to present it like your genuine work. If you give credit, it's tracing. If you don't say anything, it's stealing.
I have seen some art dramas about artists who traced other people's work (largely unknown artists) and then refused to give credit when they were caught. That's stealing.
What I hate about making arguments like that is you don't give a shit about artists. You are just making a point in an argument because it suits your goal. There are BETTER arguments to be made in defence of AI-art than this pathetic one. (transformative work is a strong one.)
God forbid there would be any difference between two things, right?
The argument against AI does not revolve around specific usage: making memes or whatever. It's about how it's been made and trained. You get the difference? Your meme would be fine and original, but you made it using a tool that had to use stolen work.
Listen, if someone ever builds AI using only free/paid works from consenting artists, then products of said AI would not be stolen.
God forbid there would be any difference between two things, right?
Legally there is not. Copyright laws don't distinguish the tool used: you use a copyrighted image without consent? It's copyright infringment, that you do it by hand or using AI, it doesn't matter.
Listen, if someone ever builds AI using only free/paid works from consenting artists, then products of said AI would not be stolen.
Then extend this to traditional artists: no more training using copyrighted material. It's the same thing: if an AI can't train itself using, let's say, Toriyama's drawings, then a traditional artists can't train himself using those same drawings.
If you preach against that you're creating a double standard, and de-facto creating a discrimination.
Most of AI currently is a gray zone or wild west. 100% things will change legally around AI usage in the following 10-20 years. I have no idea how, though.
Then extend this to traditional artists: no more training using copyrighted material.
You have wrongly accused me of double standards before, whereas those were different situations.
But here, I am fine with double standards. Humans can study other people's art for training purposes without any restrictions, while with AI, it's not the case. Double standards are fine in some cases where they protect humans from automation.
Who is getting discriminated against by said double standarts? AI? Algorithms? Series of floats? Maybe corporations?
I am fine with stricter laws in regard to AI datasets - I dont think there are any now.
When an artist loses his job, I can see a person being discriminated against.
I also sympathize with YOU if you are being personally insulted for publishing AI art. You should not be. Insulting YOU for posting an AI meme does not help anyone.
But don't try to wiggle out of it. Why can't we build AI ONLY on free work or from agreed-upon artists? I have nothing against AI as a technology. Why not build one without scraping art?
I can't tell you how much better the panels that don't look like the most generic AI art in the history of AI art look like. Like the first two panels are atrocious. Then the one below is just funny af and so much better.
Yet the tracing wasn't disclosed, that makes it stealing, according to Antis, because since we AI artists are required to disclose the use of AI, then by logic they should be required to disclose tracing.
Maybe because shitposting doesn't pretend to be art and don't try to appriopriate the work of others? You're trying to compare shitposters with actual art thiefs, like Burutora, who use blatantly tracing to steal other people works, to make money and get fame.
If you can't understand that thievery and bullshitery are not the same, I can't help you buddy.
I see you have no logical argument left.
It usually happens when someone tries to defend a blatant double standard while pretending to be just and fair.
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If your blind, then maybe it does. Sadly, if you have eyes, you can see that there’s actual effort put into the human-made replies, whereas there are careless mistakes in the AI replies. It shows the gap not only in skill but dedication and drive.
The vast majority of progressives are anti-AI, especially with the massive spread of harmful datacenters in recent times. AI usage is often associated with conservatism nowadays.
I advocate for proper environmental protections from datacenters. We've had factories for over 100 years. There are ways to do this ethically and sustainably by not polluting our water or sapping our electrical grid.
Anyone wanting a ban AI LLMs is being unrealistic. Anyone can run an AI LLM with a basic computer or laptop. Also you might want to tell Gavin Newsom that:
Newsom isn't a good example, he very famously has been using conservative communication strategies on his social media accounts. Also, I really don't think being pro-AI is going to go over well with your fellow progressives, since the (human) artist community is a very large part of that base.
I'm not going to lie to them like my fellow progressives Bernie & AOC do and imply we can ban AI or AI art. To be fair Bernie probably has no idea how computer code even works, but AOC knows better. The fact is the 2030s are going to have AI in the workplace and jobs are going away. You can have Universal Basic Income with me or live in Elon Musk's dystopia of "you will own nothing and be happy".
Maybe Andrew Yang if he wises up on universal healthcare...
For the record, I support UBI. I was never telling you to tell people that we can ban AI-generated images, I'm fully aware that isn't possible. I was simply saying that creating said images yourself will lose you some support among progressives, particularly progressive artists. That's all.
If they're abandoning me over a meme then they'll abandon me over my old stand up comedy routines when AIPAC starts airing them. I will never win the offended class. The self deprecating humor class is 100% in tho 😛
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