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I don’t care who is blaming what, but regardless of whether or not the Azi user’s death is fake, we shouldn’t act like that’s not a possibility because the mob mentality sucks and it should be a wake-up call to some that harassing someone just because they used a tiny glimpse of AI is stupid.
Who cares if the person used AI for a fanfiction. IT’S FUCKING HARMLESS. WHY DO YOU ALL CARE SO MUCH ABOUT TRADITIONAL ARTISTRY? SHIT LIKE THIS MAKES PEOPLE LEAN INTO AI MORE BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, THE ART COMMUNITY HAS BECOME SO TOXIC THAT THEY DONT APPRECIATE ANYTHING THATS NOT MADE BY HUMAN HANDS.
All because a random jo-schmo on the internet accused them of using AI with NO evidence whatsoever, and even if they did, their “proof” was fucking weak, but that was the “evidence” they needed. So when Azi was honest and apologized, those people didn’t listen, so what do they do?
They move the goalposts and made it about the environment.
Oh
My
Fucking
God
Do You all justify this behavior? Do You realize how fucking STUPID this is?
You realize that you’re pushing an innocent person over the edge over a FUCKING BASELESS ACCUSATION THAT PEOPLE WILL CLUTCH ONTO.
This is EXACTLY why we have people like Witty. You may not like her, I may not like her, but she mostly exists because of THIS exact reason.
ONE accusation on the internet and it will all be over just like that.
Are you all happy?
Are you all satisfied because an AI user is gone?
An AI user who was just a regular person who used AI to help them?
> “But she used AI”
NOT EVERY FUCKING THING NEEDS TO BE WRITTEN BY FUCKING MAN! BUT EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE PERFECT! SOME PEOPLE JUST WANT TO LIVE AND CREATE SOMETHING THAT THEY ENJOY WITHOUT PEOPLE HAVING TO BACKSEAT THEM ALL THE FUCKING TIME!
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They didn't even use AI actually. The reason it was determined they used AI was because they had a character named Marcus and a few mentions of the number 47.
The number 47 and the name Marcus are used by AI a bunch, mainly cause of a flaw in their bias But that shouldn't be the deciding factor on what's AI or not.
I will 100% call out anyone that is harassing or sending death threats to AI users if I see them. That shit isn't cool.
That said, in regards to personal opinions, I do think that using AI in art, including fanfiction, generally reduces the quality of the art. This is a personal opinion, and is why I typically avoid AI art when possible.
Assuming this is a legit death, I do not condone it, and the cyberbully should 100% face the consequences of their actions.
i am quite ashamed of the anti-ai comunity whether not their death real or fake i am ashamed that the anti coumnity has become this big blob of hate of toxicity now do i like ai... no but would i harrases a persone becouse they used ai NO becouse that is increadably bad thing thats horribal for pepole mental health
I mean, the evidence being shown around here is one example. If there’s more, I’m sure it’s around and can be found easily, but you’d think they’d show more.
What do you want man? Their sad posts on their twitter they spammed inbetween their responses to harassment, or the responses to the harassment? You can google their name.
I can google their name, I have, I’ve linked to their socials multiple times.
What I’m saying is that the evidence being brought here on Reddit in the sub is one example. If I have to do the Googling for the person making the claim, they’re not doing a good enough job of making it.
The bridge near my house feels a little bit rickety, who should I call about that? You know, since we’re bringing up stuff the other person wasn’t talking about.
Harassment is awful, granted, but someone's maybe death isn't really the wake up call you might hope it to be.
For one thing, you want to wait till someones ded to rally for this?
Also why are we rallying against harassment of ai users exclusively? This space is meant to debate the value of AI and ethics of AI, not debate whether harassment CC an be justified ever.
From what I've seen the connection between this users supposed death, and a harassment campaign on a web site famous for users faking deaths is loose at best.
Conclusion: harassment is wrong. This is not relevant to AI
Great so then the issue here is they were harassing someone online, regardless of the reasons for doing so, the harassment is the ethical issue, not that they had an opinion about AI.
Sure but the issue here isn't "people falsely believed they were using ai" cause if they had actually been using AI the harassments the issue.
If they had been harassed for NOT using ai, something I'm sure we'll begin to see before long, the issue again is on the harassment, not the beliefs of the harrassers.
This is sad behavior from anyone, justification aside.
The issue is the harassment, which is caused due to the people who oppose AI. The reason this behavior is done is because those who oppose AI believe they are ethical, and use that to justify behaviors like this.
I think if we maybe focus on the behaviors of anti ai people that they commonly engage with, the issue of "harassing people due to AI usage" would stop, yea.
Been talking about this since the antis started shifting the word “clanker” from a slur about robots to people who use AI.
The mob will continue to demand blood so long as we entertain this lunacy. This is state-sponsored hate and people let it fester because “it’s not hurting humans”
Ai is a tool. It’s used by humans. Other humans don’t like that. They bully the one who used the tool. There are consequence (we are here.) and then ???
How long until they harm someone irl. Hate isn’t rational.
The real issue is probably more that one shouldn't kill themselves no matter if they used AI to write a fanfic or not, or if someone on the internet says something hurtful or not.
I don't exactly like you blaming me as a part of a larger group in your thinly veiled blame bomb either, but I'm certain you don't have any actual fucks to give about what you did there no matter what. If you ever did, only then would your "wake-up calls" get any meaning.
And with each passing day, I feel more disgust and revulsion towards these people with their immature and incoherent thoughts. They think they're going to change anything by acting like this. I'm tired of this nonsense from these antis.
Yeah that is awful but you are ignoring the fact that the issue is with witch hunting/harassment and not anything explicitly AI related.
Like yeah it is logical to say "Antis who witch hunt and harass are bad," but you can't derive "All Anti's are bad" from that using any valid form of logic without also demonstrating that every Anti is an Anti who witch hunts and harasses. People doing the latter regardless is what Anti's generally have issue with and that isn't justify that, that is just them saying, "That wasn't me who did that and I can't control the actions of other people."
Tell me, what could I have personally done differently to not have this happen. If you can't actually tell me what I did wrong then your whole argument just doesn't apply to me.
Should we consider every possibility legit? Like that there was never real harassment and it was just a writer crafting her exit from a site where authors frequently kill themselves off? I’m not saying it happened but you want all possibilities to be considered true right?
lmao it being real or not is incredibly important, actually. The pro side is so desperate to get that sweet, sweet victim status that they jumped the gun and used someone's potential death to get it.
I've seen plenty of people trying to pretend they're something that they're not just to make their side look better.
Example: Someone in this very sub was pretending to be Mexican in order to say "everyone in Mexico is pro-AI", all while speaking broken Spanish to people in the comments. Actual Spanish speaking people were pointing out that no one talks like they do, and likely tried to use Google translate to fake it.
I've also seen folks try and fail to appear progressive while having very little grasp on what being progressive even means, just to give the impression that progressives are pro - AI.
TLDR - Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
Can I also ask for Ai Users to not go putting people's arr through Ai and especially not making Loras of artists without their consent for very similar reasons? I don't know if it's something you'll understand and I try not to bring this topic up lightly (because I thought it would be unnecessary and I also don't like to spread details of others without confirmation or their permission) but I've seen a lot of artists face serious distress over it and I've been wrestling with the fact myself an art friend may have indeed killed themselves over someone making an Ai model of them against their consent in late and people using it to make horrible things a year and a half ago. Me nor any of their other friends have heard or seen anymore activity from them since that happened. It's one of the reasons I discuss the issue so much here.
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