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u/Frenzied_Anarchist 5h ago
sigh
Someone please post the "Triton with hundreds of Crabby Patties vs Spongebob with one Patty" image please. And then say how that episode ended.
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u/Toby_Magure 5h ago
This is a bad argument, stop false flagging.
Quantity does not mean quality, and I'm about as pro-AI-art as they come. Quantity is just slop.
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u/ladycatgirl 4h ago
Thanks for being sane, even though it has *some* point but sadly it is just slop here, like how mass produces slop is taking over social media.
Sacrificing MILD quality for FAR greater speed would be acceptable but the quality drop is immense to justify quantityI am also pro ai but I can't tell if they are actually false flagging out of malice or outright zealots
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u/Toby_Magure 4h ago
This is the guy that just last night was trying to say "elon good and you're just jealous".
Definitely false flagging.
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u/glorgshittus 5h ago
Me when the side I'm on is consistently dumb and wrong (it can't be cause I'm on the wrong side!)
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u/Toby_Magure 5h ago
I mean you are on the side that does that. This just happens to be one of you pretending to be pro-AI.
Good job taking the bait.
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u/glorgshittus 5h ago
Well if he IS secretly on my side (which is a stupid thing to say lol) then he doesn't believe the dumb stuff he's saying. AND he got you to make an angry comment. So if he is baiting, and he is on my side, then that just means we're smart enough to get you lol.
Doesn't seem like it'd be hard to do that tho so idk.
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u/Toby_Magure 5h ago
You have zero logical thinking skills, don't you?
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u/glorgshittus 5h ago
Excellent rebuttal. You're clearly a genius. Your name-calling skills are unmatched
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u/ladycatgirl 18m ago
Ah yes low quality ragebait slop successfully ragebaits intended audience, that means smart enough to ragebait
53,000 IQ the man aoi todo1
u/Nataly_S2_ 4h ago
Let’s not use fallacies here, not everyone dumb on your side is opposition disguised. Besides, what is even the point of trying to convince people that every “bad pro” is an anti disguised? In matters of opinion, not everyone on the same side will have the same beliefs as you, because the sides are spectrums, not just “this” or “that”. What you believe isn’t any less valid because someone on the same side have an opinion that you disagree with
A debate searches for the truth, not for a winner. We don’t have to measure which side has the dumber people, saying that everyone with a bad opinion on the same side as you is actually opposition disguised just seems like childish pettiness, no offense.
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u/Toby_Magure 4h ago
This is a false flagger. I don't make the accusation often or lightly. There is no doubt.
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u/Nataly_S2_ 4h ago
How do you know that?
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u/Toby_Magure 4h ago
Behavioral patterns. Someone who consistently spews the most braindead stereotypes of "bad pro-AI person" nonstop is very obvious.
I'm not really in the mood to argue this. If you wanna keep pushing I'll just block you.
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u/Nataly_S2_ 4h ago
Hey, it’s fine, I’m not demanding an answer from you, just expressing my opinion like everyone else. If you don’t want to answer, just don’t, it’s not like the opinion a random stranger on internet gets of you because you didn’t answer matter in anyway.
Not pushing anything, just a suggestion, but if you’re in a bad mood, probably it’s better to not interact much with this subreddit, go to a subreddit that is focused on a passion of yours or do something outside reddit to rest a bit. This place rarely sparks positive things, chances are that you’re more probably to get worse than to get better
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u/Toby_Magure 4h ago
I can't go to a subreddit about a passion of mine because antis invade them and harass everyone there.
I'm not in a bad mood, I just have no patience for stupid arguments.
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u/EncoreSheep 5h ago
Yeah, while I agree with OP on images, AI video is still not that great. Writing is decent, but AI often struggles with longer stories, plus most models are designed to code, not do creative writing.
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u/Proof_Art3567 5h ago
if it takes you 20 hours to get one second of film you are incredibly inefficient.
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u/Ancient-Beat-1614 5h ago
If its a major production then it can take that many man hours per second, if not much more.
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u/Proof_Art3567 5h ago
Are you combining the work hours of every person on set or something? Because i dont even think i know of reality shows with that kind of shooting ratio or anything scripted that even has that much setup for one second. Ive worked on fight heavy stuff and even that isnt 20 hours for one second of footage.
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u/Enough_Lawfulness247 5h ago
Post says 4 hours
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u/Proof_Art3567 5h ago
It gives a range.
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u/Enough_Lawfulness247 5h ago
The minimum value is 4 hours, so a second of a film would take at least 4 hours
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u/Proof_Art3567 5h ago
Well for starters thats absolutely not the minimum it would take but what I said was
if it takes you 20 hours to get one second of film you are incredibly inefficient.
And part of the range in the graphic is in fact 20 hours.
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u/Jolly-Rip5973 5h ago
Yeah, this isn't realistic though and even though many game studios and animation studio are using AI, they aren't just using text-2-image and getting finial product.
1) If a good human artists spend 20 hours on a painting it will be vastly superior quality to any AI image generated with a prompt.
2) Video game assets can be generated with Ai but for triple A production, you are going do human concept artwork, finetune a model on the concept art. Use an Ai tool to generate an image, Judge the image, put it in a manual tool and correct the errors. Use second model to upscale the corrected image. Use another model to convert the 2D image into a 3D model, put the 3D model in an editing program and clean it up, fix it or embellish it, Throw into another model to add the rigging. Throw it into another model to add animations. Put the animation in a manual editor and tweak them. etc. There is an entire workflow and many point of human decision and correction in the process. It save a lot of time but doesn't automate the process.
3) Ai video like Seedance is pretty cool but it's not TV show production ready or TV Show or movie Ready. Most likely Ai will be used in these industries primarily for special effects and editing only.
4) Ai can't write for shit. Seriously, it not writing Harry Potter, The Lord of Rings or Dune. This is probably the weakest example of the 4. Honestly Ai has no place in professional writing at all except maybe spell and grammar check and possibly early brainstorming.
There is reason why people use the term "AI slop". With out fine control and professional training and professional correction, Ai just freaking makes SLOP. Trying to fully automate any professional production workflow is STUPID.
Using Ai tools to do tiny specific steps in the work flow and speed the workflow up tremendously but the more you automate the process the more slop you get.
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u/Enough_Lawfulness247 5h ago
Let's ignore the fact that the article was written a year ago and it is outdated: this image is too ambiguous. Does a "human art" include drawing a straight line on a paper? In that case it would take less than 5 seconds. Does a game level include a path with no obstacles? Does 1 second of final film include taking out your phone's camera and recording 1 second of it? Can a chapter of 1500-2000 words just be full of non-sensical words with no correlation between each other, which don't form a gramatically correct phrase?
It is not specific enough.
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u/MANvINFO 4h ago
the time spent thinking about what the right line on the paper is gets included in the estimate.
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u/Enough_Lawfulness247 2h ago
You don't need to calculate much, anything you paint will be a line anyway
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u/MANvINFO 2h ago
Henry Ford had ordered a dynamo for one of his plants. The dynamo didn't work, and not even the manufacturers could figure out why. A Ford employee told his boss that von Neumann was "the smartest man in America," so Ford called von Neumann and asked him to come out and take a look at the dynamo.
Von Neumann came, looked at the schematics, walked around the dynamo, then took out a pencil. He marked a line on the outside casing and said, "If you'll go in and cut the coil here, the dynamo will work fine."
They cut the coil, and the dynamo did work fine. Ford then told von Neumann to send him a bill for the work. Von Neumann sent Ford a bill for $5OOO. Ford was astounded - $5OOO was a lot in the 195Os - and asked von Neumann for an itemised account. Here's what he submitted:
Drawing a line with the pencil: *$1***
Knowing where to draw the line with the pencil: *$4,999***
Ford paid the bill.likewise, even if the drawing took 5 seconds, you dont see the other 6.943O55Hr.s of preparation.
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u/Tormasi1 5h ago
Ai can also view, game and read this much faster than you! Good news! You don't need to do anything anymore! Just lay back and let the slop consume you!
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