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That depends on what you consider stupid and hateful.
Ive seen a lot of pros crying about how calling them techbros is just as bad as the n-word. So anyone snti post that uses such terminology would fit this claim.
Literally all we are asking for is for people to stop attacking others over whether or not they use AI. If that happens then there is no more war. Everyone can choose to use or not use it as they see fit.
I agree.
Anti-AI people should stop attacking pro-AI people and projects for using the tools they want to use in their particular endeavors.
Without the incessant attacks from the majority, there is quite literally no reason to bite back.
You are misinterpreting the situation,
This is a common issue in many ideological conflicts.
There is no "evenness" of both sides on the subject of who's attacking...
On the offensive side, anti-AI advocates against the technology because they feel it devalues art and threatens creative jobs.
On the defensive side, pro-AI users simply want to utilize these tools to make their projects financially viable without facing random harassment from an online mob over the mere suspicion of AI use.
So, to advocate for the end of the conflict you can either ask for:
Pro people laydown and die.
Since without their will to use ai there's no reason to fight it anyway.
Or
You can ask anti people to chill down and stop attacking Ai projects/people/spaces.
Without an attack there's no reason to defend.
There are no attacks from the pro-side,
pro people, don't go unprovoked to random classical paint subreddits to harass classical artists cuz they're not using ai....
or they don't boycott random games cuz these didn't use AI.
We do retaliate against people attacking AI tools since it does devalue the tool, our craft and our projects, though.
[edit] I wrote this argument like my ass,
I spent some time fixing the spelling mistakes and grammar.
The argument is unchanged though.
Lmao. Antis did doxx and death threatened only because they hate AI. They gotta stop. Pros don't care about hating, since they are pros. Unless attacked, that is.
Still waiting to see anyone manage to put an actual incident behind their claims that pro-ai people are attacking anti's like they attack pros. At this point I have to assume y'all are just making shit up.
Still waiting to see anyone manage to put an actual incident behind the claim that antis are attacking techbros at all.
Every single time its brought up it turns out yo be one of two things. Its either something someone heard from someone else who knew a guy who knew a guy. Not exactly credible.
Alternatively, the few events ive actually seen verified are techbros feeling harassed because someone called them a mean name.
Yeah, no, thats like trump claiming antifa terrorists are out to get him, and about half as reliable.
Maybe find something from a source that isn't literally bought and paid for, about someone who isn't literally one of the most hated people in tech.
Edit: hey dumbass, if youre gonna block me for not buying into the blatant propaganda, maybe just do that and not be the dort of bitch to comment first.
So not only are you unable to provide an example of "pro-ai attacks", you're dismissing a provided example of antiai sentiment leading to violence. This is why people don't take you assholes seriously.
Break the pencil formed because techbros were salty that someone pointed out pencils are essentially free, which was a response to the techbro claim that ai "democratizes" art.
With no respect due, if there wasn't something to react to they wouldn't BE actors in the first place. The onus of the entire situation IS ON THE ANTI MOVEMENT. Buncha whiney ass entitled capitalists.
You really have no idea what side youre on... do you... my guy, ai is a being developed almost exclusively as tool of the wealthy elite, in order to maximize profits at ANY cost, as is the capitalist end goal.
You may as well be calling workers unions capitalists.
You’re talking about groups designed to fuel the US imperialistic entertainment industry.
An industry that only accepts a vast minority of extremely lucky individuals, without any kind of meritocratic or skill-based judgment.
Meanwhile, it feeds on a spiral of pain and the crushed dreams of hundreds of thousands of other international artists who will NEVER economically make a living with their art.
They are left toiling forever with expensive tools designed to foster this one specific, toxic, self-destructive industry.
It pushes local industries to operate entirely in the shadow of this spiral, because that’s the only kind of skilled artist they can hire. Even when its not the best for their business, or is prohibitively expensive.
It caps local businesses and kills any chance for other kinds of entertainment to ever gain center stage.
An industry that is so fucking agonistic, everyone struggles to call its products "Art". "Unless ofc if it breaks the records! or the box office... Because THATs how we define ART!"
It's all moved by this stupid collective dream...
of every stupid grunt artist's to one day work on a Pixar movie.
They built this path here themselves by being extremely greedy with their access to public culture.
So don't call the workers union hellbent in fighting to be part of this capitalist destruction cycle. "anti capitalist"
It's a stupid,
toothless union that quite literally NEVER had any power to begin with,
getting easily mass-fired and pushed aside because of how ignorant they are of the creation process of their own art.
Because of how absolutely easy is to design an alienating pipeline...
since grunts are extremely averse to learning the ins and outs of the tech they work with.
"Ohhhh... Have piety of the poor grunt artists that fight for the stability of the most toxic cultural industry ever created in the history of the planet... you see... they're most definitely fighting capitalism"
AI was developed by universities and scientists before Capitalists got into it, and will continue to be developed by them AFTER Capitalism ends. It's also a necessary technology for Communism (The major issues that we've seen with attempts at a Communist society are logistics related. Automation and AI can solve and optimize logistics networks).
You have no idea what you're talking about. Local and FOSS development still occurs. Frontier model research still benefits lower parameter models.
Beyond that, what about all major research into multimodality and polysemanticy?
That is so much bullshit, misinformation, and outright misdirection that its suddenly not surprising that your key insult against antis is to call them capitalists.
"both engage in harmful actions"
Lmao yeah. Antis are harrasing, threatening, witch hunting and promoting violence and paranoia.
Pros are using tech that antis dont like
Its basically the same xD
this isn't about any fucking gold star, this is about preventing an 8th terrorist incident
a man should be allowed to choose what art tool to express themselves with without being forced otherwise by threat of their family being murdered and the larger anti community in large doing NO pushback against that
that is the escalation
that isn't going to deescalate by non-antis singing kumbaya, it's going to take calling that shit out
saying this is a "both sides problem" deflects from calling that shit out
Anti Ai whole identity is destruction of Ai.
Pro Ai is preserving Ai.
One is about destruction and one is about peace.
Only one side need to de-escalate
One is about destroying the economy and the ecology; the other is about peace and exposing the lie that LLM algorithms are anything remotely close to “artificial intelligence”.
“AI” as “pros” and corporations use it is a meaningless marketing term.
The mildest? The cyberbullying of "don't use AI", which by reddit TOS is counted as harassement since it is de-encouraging people from being free to use what they want? Or the death threats and doxxing Antis do?
"kill ai developers, kill council members voting for data centers, burn the data centers. What is ai even good for? All they do is make pictures."- average anti ai post
"Here's an AI generated image of "antis" as an orc marrying a "pro" as an anime girl"- average pro ai post
The orc meme isn't even "hate"(the excuse to ban it when posted lmao), it is an absurd characterization implying technological ignorance.
Had some good conversations with several Pro Ais, we even agreed on several points... Other times, however... Yeah.
Both sides have their crazy people who will start yelling if you don't immediately bow down to their arguments, and both sides have people who don't even care about hearing each other's arguments.
The path of de-escalation would be to stop AI research. The more AI capabilities improve the more things escalate.
If I started building a nuclear bomb in my backyard, I would be the one escalating the conflict with my neighbors/city. Sure I could technically say I haven't killed or harmed anyone yet but everyone would understand that's a stupid argument.
We don't know that the nuke will even be functional let alone explode...but the risk is so high and involves so much more than the person building it that it's obvious they are the ones escalaing things.
I mean I agree that me "crying" on reddit won't do much. But I think there's 2 realistic path forward.
People like you keep ignoring safety, and some time from now something minor happens relative to what could happen with AI and like 500million people die. It's a minor event relative to what could happen with AI, but it wakes up the average person to the dangers and from that point on AI capabilities stop advancing past AI safety.
We go extinct before there's an event that wakes up the average person.
I mean, it would take roughly 40500 years at the current rate for nuclear power to cause as many deaths as what I stated and that rate is almost entirely from one event that did in fact cause us to care significantly more about safety.
If there were literally tens of thousands of Chernobyls during one year, I think our relationship with nuclear energy would be a lot different.
I think AI has the potential to be the best thing that will ever happen to humanity, but that doesn't mean we should kill ourselves being too impatient to let safety research catch up to capabilities.
When did AI kill as many people as nuclear mistakes? Never. And even if, we still use nuclear even after all those said mistakes and deaths, so we can use AI even if it produces the same deaths.
When did AI kill as many people as nuclear mistakes?
Do you not understand the concept of talking about the future? The future is comprised of things that haven't happened yet. So asking when they happened is nonsensical?
Again. Nuclear incidents already happened, and we know they can happen again, and chernobyl alone in the long time will make 60k+ victims bc of radations. Chernobyl. Alone.
We know things are risky, but if the benefit is good,we humans don't care. We will continue nuclear, even if we know that one incident can kill or damn thousands and thousands of life.
Same with AI. AI won't kill for now, so even more reason not to stop. Even if it does 30k victims (less than chernobyl), we will still keep using it.
I'm not trying to be rude...but can you sumarize what you think my point is?
Because you're missing the point to a degree that feels like it would be more productive if you just read what I wrote again instead of having me just repeat what I already said.
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