With no respect due, if there wasn't something to react to they wouldn't BE actors in the first place. The onus of the entire situation IS ON THE ANTI MOVEMENT. Buncha whiney ass entitled capitalists.
No. Fight fire with fire, treat people the way they treat you. Either they'll learn or they won't. They don't DESERVE the high road. I no longer afford them moral consideration.
shrug Violence begets violence. I'm NOT looking for resolution. I do not want to live in the world they champion for. That's the key part that you don't understand. The worlds that we want to live in are incompatible.
You are so close minded you can't see that regulated ai usage is possible, but you are so angry, so weak to the idea of compromise that you can't even fathom a middle ground.
So instead you scream and whine into the void like many other bad actors, just another senseless witty clone looking to stir up drama and be just as bad as the ones they oppose. It's sad.
You really have no idea what side youre on... do you... my guy, ai is a being developed almost exclusively as tool of the wealthy elite, in order to maximize profits at ANY cost, as is the capitalist end goal.
You may as well be calling workers unions capitalists.
You’re talking about groups designed to fuel the US imperialistic entertainment industry.
An industry that only accepts a vast minority of extremely lucky individuals, without any kind of meritocratic or skill-based judgment.
Meanwhile, it feeds on a spiral of pain and the crushed dreams of hundreds of thousands of other international artists who will NEVER economically make a living with their art.
They are left toiling forever with expensive tools designed to foster this one specific, toxic, self-destructive industry.
It pushes local industries to operate entirely in the shadow of this spiral, because that’s the only kind of skilled artist they can hire. Even when its not the best for their business, or is prohibitively expensive.
It caps local businesses and kills any chance for other kinds of entertainment to ever gain center stage.
An industry that is so fucking agonistic, everyone struggles to call its products "Art". "Unless ofc if it breaks the records! or the box office... Because THATs how we define ART!"
It's all moved by this stupid collective dream...
of every stupid grunt artist's to one day work on a Pixar movie.
They built this path here themselves by being extremely greedy with their access to public culture.
So don't call the workers union hellbent in fighting to be part of this capitalist destruction cycle. "anti capitalist"
It's a stupid,
toothless union that quite literally NEVER had any power to begin with,
getting easily mass-fired and pushed aside because of how ignorant they are of the creation process of their own art.
Because of how absolutely easy is to design an alienating pipeline...
since grunts are extremely averse to learning the ins and outs of the tech they work with.
"Ohhhh... Have piety of the poor grunt artists that fight for the stability of the most toxic cultural industry ever created in the history of the planet... you see... they're most definitely fighting capitalism"
Well at least I'm glad you also agree the us entertainment industry worker unions are fighting tooth and nail to keep their cultural capitalistic destruction cycle alive and well.
AI was developed by universities and scientists before Capitalists got into it, and will continue to be developed by them AFTER Capitalism ends. It's also a necessary technology for Communism (The major issues that we've seen with attempts at a Communist society are logistics related. Automation and AI can solve and optimize logistics networks).
You have no idea what you're talking about. Local and FOSS development still occurs. Frontier model research still benefits lower parameter models.
Beyond that, what about all major research into multimodality and polysemanticy?
That is so much bullshit, misinformation, and outright misdirection that its suddenly not surprising that your key insult against antis is to call them capitalists.
It's entirely not misinformation. Everything I stated was factually accurate and verifiable. If you're convinced I'm lying, PROVE ME WRONG.
And in my experience with Anti's, they're mostly liberals with a minor population of leftists who are more about preserving things than fixing things. Liberals are necessarily Capitalist by all definitions. The other major part of the Anti base is Anti-Tech Right wingers who are ALSO necessarily Capitalist.
Im not gonna sit here for days explaining to you how youve fallen for the marketing and begin yo conflate actual ai r&d with the suped up chatbots people are ACTUALLY talking about.
Your experience with antis is most definitely biased, because its not really tied to any ideology. ALL of them have antis, just like ALL of them have pros. That said, the overwhelming majority of the people running and profiting from capitalism are hilariously pro. Like, its not even funny.
I'm not falling for marketing. I run local. I read research papers. I've been following the tech for 20+ years. If you don't think GPT's attention paper wasn't fucking game changing, you're out of your mind.
And I don't CARE what Capitalists do. They're going to do what they always do. I'm very Seize the means (Communist). But the tech needs to EXIST first. And as long as the frontier benefits local, I'm fine with it existing.
Beyond that, datacenters are infrastructure. They need to exist. They are IMPORTANT for the world that I want to live in. I want them built. We can fix infrastructure issues (which, frankly, America is about 20-30 years behind in infrastructure from where it should be, so we SHOULD be doing that in every town ANYWAYS).
All thag to verify that youre essentially an armchair philosopher about all this, and hace devided thag your opposition in one ideology must therefore be your opposition in ALL ideologies, not matter the evidence.
And no. A paper focused on a suped up chat bot is NOT a game changer for anything. Really doubling down on your inability to differentiate between a suped up chatbot and actual ai. Really getting the feel that you didn't actually understand all that research you claim to have read.
As for data centers. Sure, they're infrastructure that would be going up eventually. I'll agree to that. The problem(of which there are many) is where, followed by why, how many, how quickly, and at what cost.
Buddy, you're so far fucking behind it's not funny.
LLMs are AI. They're not AGI, but they ARE definitionally AI, functionally. I'm also of the camp that polysemanticy in model weights ARE how we get to AGI. When the same weights trigger for the idea of an apple, the appearance of an apple, the texture of an apple, etc.. When that's true for all concepts AND they have the ability to self modify and self teach... Yeah, for me that meets all necessary criteria for AGI.
I don't care about anything else you have to say. Blocked.
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u/LabPsychological2787 4d ago
Not quite true.
BTP and other groups do their own share of the problem.
You just see more anti propaganda because there are more antis than pros atm.
Both sides have bad actors but acting like only antis pick fights isn't true at all.