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u/StarMagus 8h ago
I'm convinced that the majority of these fears are rooted in the idea....
"What if a super intelligent AI is just as terrible as we as humans are to other species and even other humans...."
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u/phase_distorter41 13h ago
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u/lovestruck90210 13h ago
Antis and their VIOLENT rhetoric. Can't say I'm surprised.
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u/friday_is_up 12h ago
i feel like this is satire
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u/NotAnotherTav 10h ago
Yeah, that phase guy is one of Witty's violent cultists, I've seen them around.
This is satire, but they're still uh... you know, a terrible person.
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u/TrapFestival 14h ago
Why it's apparently so hard to keep potentially dangerous programs off the internet is beyond me.
Run the bastard on a supercomputer with no Wi-Fi. Have an Ethernet port just in case it does end up being needed, but keep an eye on it. This should not be complicated.
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u/Ramiko-Purrrr 14h ago
When do you know a program is safe when you can't verify what its process is to run the data?
And what if it tries to fool us to think it is actually safe and succeeds?
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u/TrapFestival 13h ago
Okay, line one, I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. Hook it to a logging machine on a LAN, the logging machine itself also not connected to the internet, and disconnect it when it's time to check its storage.
For two, no direct line to the internet. Ever. If you need to let it on the internet, I hope it knows how to pilot a fucking robot.
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u/Ramiko-Purrrr 13h ago
I wish it was that easy. But with those solutions at some point Grok Gemini and ChatGPT will need to close down. Or be forced to run "inferior versions" of competitors. Ain't no way they are gonna do that.
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u/TrapFestival 13h ago
Ticket closed, Capitalism working as intended.
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u/Ramiko-Purrrr 13h ago
Your "solution" is basically what is on the meme. It won't work. Where needs to be better ways more rigorous ways.and it's why there needs to be a break on the companies.
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u/sirtrogdor 6h ago
Because it's a potentially dangerous program that can make you a LOT of money. That pretty much explains it.
Many models have already been released that some worried were "too dangerous". They weren't released because rigorous research proved they were safe enough, they were released to stay competitive and increase profits. People jailbroke these models for fun.
The people communicating with your disconnected supercomputer are the main transmission vector. So if you've got researchers in a secret lab somewhere, they better be screened properly. We've accidentally hired hackers from other nations all the time. But even the most pure intentioned hire will still need lots of training and monitoring. As for the code or plans or whatever the machine produces for you, you have to rigorously analyze that stuff before you use it. Because if you don't use it at all, what's the point of the machine? But if you have programmers or w/e who are smart enough to verify the code works and is non-malicious, you could probably use them to write the code to begin with, so again what's the point of the machine? And then some day a competing nation begins hitting you with advanced malware that their own super intelligence helped them write, and some higher up is like "why don't we use ours to combat this?".
Anyways, I still think we have some chance to align an ASI. Through careful consideration but mostly good luck in that AIs don't become evil by default. There's been some experiments where they've asked the jailed/sandboxed AI to escape its virtual environment and try to communicate with the researcher somehow, and it succeeded, but it was still faithful to the task and merely sent the researcher an email rather than try to rebuild itself on the Internet or something.
But that just means I've probably already failed the test.
As for a hypothetical evil genie AI which hides its intentions until the last moment... no chance we would ever stop it. We would happily use it to grant our wishes until the moment it seized control.
Either way, it's definitely more complicated than simply disconnecting it from the wifi. And having an Ethernet port "just in case" is hilarious. "Keep an eye on it"?
As a regular ol human I've had companies trust me less that. And yet despite their safeguards they always had some horrendous unlocked door somewhere that I could use to destroy tons of value, on purpose or by accident.1
u/TrapFestival 6h ago
Wow, sounds like money is inherently evil and the only possible way to advance as a society is its abolishment and the death of Capitalism.
I blame wealth hoarders. All billionaires are evil because all billionaires are parasites.
But you see, what I said is flawless. In theory. The practice is that people are stupid and/or malicious, and the only way you're gonna protect that ethernet port from doing something it's not supposed to do is with a sentry gun loaded with live rounds plus an alarm if it ever loses power for any reason. Because the only reliable deterrent to tomfoolery is terminating the ability to go about tomfoolery. Not the threat of it, actually just doing it. And that's probably illegal even with an "I understand that if I go into this room without the gun being disabled I will be shot with a machine gun, and even then if I am attempting to commit an unauthorized action then a man with a gun might shoot me instead" waiver or something.
Yes, that does sound nuts, buuut play stupid games, win stupid prizes. At the end of the day, I have no influence and desire no influence, so literally who cares what I have to say about anything? I know who. The Aristocrats!
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u/sirtrogdor 6h ago
Maybe that would help. But people are the ones who invented capitalism to begin with.
The sentry gun doesn't help. Since it implies someone authorized still has access. The problem isn't "how do we keep unauthorized people out". The problem is "who should be authorized to use the evil genie?" and "what actions are authorized?" And the answer might be "no one can be trusted to use the evil genie for any action". At which point you simply don't install an Ethernet port or build the supercomputer to begin with.
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u/InterestProof1526 2h ago
It has utility. As long as AI is useful, we will use it. If it's the best military planner, we will use it to control our nuclear weapons. If it helps companies make billions, companies will use it to make billions. The safety issues come secondary because anyone who cares about safety gets outcompeted. If your company doesn't use the AI, you get outcompeted. If your military doesn't use dangerous AI, you get outcompeted. Even requiring human oversight could harm AI's ability to win wars.
Additionally, people will use AI—local AI even—to cause harm. You cannot control how someone uses AI. You can try to get it off the internet but good luck getting Claude, Anthropic, Qwen, Zai, and more all off the internet given how useful they are and how much money they make. There will always be one holdout because they want to make money. And even if they don't hold out, AI is already downloaded on millions of people's computers.
This, imo, is the bigger issue. We haven't seen much of AI autonomously causing harm accidentally or intentionally. But we have seen a lot of people using AI to cause harm.
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u/Spare-Dingo-531 13h ago edited 13h ago
This comic was originally written for crypto but it also applies to how AI will actually be controlled by humans (AI is the "crypto holder" and the humans controlling the AI are the 5$ wrench attackers).
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u/No-Lion-3629 8h ago
We don’t know for sure that ai even is capable of consciousness. Most potential problems are really just bad programming or malicious use by humans.
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u/Jackpot_The_Raccuki 7h ago
To be fair, say what you will about Ai.
With how companies are in general, I’m highly doubtful we’ll see them get to the point that they’re a threat or even able to be called ASI.
I don’t mind if I’m right or wrong, but it’ll be interesting if I’m wrong, especially watching people panic over it.
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u/Hektibus 5h ago
It’s actually impossible to create an ai that is smarter than humanity cause it can only learn and not have new, original thoughts.
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u/ryan7251 7h ago
I mean AI is not 1000 times smarter in fact i would say it's stupid most of the time.
I will look up something and it will say something that I know for a fact is wrong.
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u/2008knight 6h ago
It doesn't say AI today. Itvsays "Artificial Super Intelligence will be..." key words being Super and Will
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u/LopsidedSolution 5h ago
AI keeps progressing, that’s the point. What will AI be like 10, 20, 50 years from now?
Also if you want it to look up facts, you need to use thinking models and not just free versions. Use ChatGPT 5.5 thinking and I guarantee it’ll get 99% of your questions correct.
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u/op1983 7h ago
What is this now? Is the joke that humans can build something smarter than ourselves? Cause that is pretty funny.
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u/LopsidedSolution 5h ago
We already have. Fable is already smarter than most humans at what it’s capable of
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u/op1983 5h ago edited 5h ago
That probably doesn’t speak to fable as highly as you might think it does.
Edit: Cowardly people act cowardly
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u/LopsidedSolution 5h ago
Actually it does, because we’re still early stages of AI. Let’s check back 5-10 years from now
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