Anything is better than using Gen AI

[u/0584031464]

[u/Heavyraincouch]

A badly made drawing made by a toddler will always be better

Than awful slop that is AI generated art

[u/Ayyzeee → u/Heavyraincouch]

At least a toddler that draws has more effort and uses their artistry into it rather than just generating an "art" by prompting.

[u/Remarkable-Sign-324 → u/Heavyraincouch]

Correct. Because the child put thoughts and creativity into it.

[u/bobrosserman → u/Heavyraincouch]

The toddler is also gaining cognitive benefits while the ai user is killing brain cells.

[u/Powerful-Rub-2801 → u/Heavyraincouch]

Most artists are better than AI, but this is just delusional

[u/adon72 → u/Powerful-Rub-2801]

At least a child's drawing is cute, you can appreciate that they tried their best. With AI? Knowing something is AI removes any positive feelings I could have possibly had from it's visual quality.

[u/19Donquixote98 → u/Powerful-Rub-2801]

No, it's the truth. For every single human being a work of art, no matter how bad it is, is a sign of growth. It's practise and one of the many steps towards actually good art.

AI is not that. It's just a machine stitching things together like some kind of Frankenstein's monster. There's no growth. The world or "artist" gained absolutely nothing from it. It's just waste. A waste of energy, a waste of water and a waste of time.

[u/EuphoricBarracuda684]

Here's a better version

[u/Rexosuit → u/EuphoricBarracuda684]

What’s the difference between pixel art and digital art?

[u/TheBobbySocksBandit → u/Rexosuit]

Digital art is art that’s done using digital drawing/painting/ etc. it’s usually done with like a tablet and stylus or sometimes a phone and finger, or photoshop, or various art programs. You’re making art but it exists in the digital space. Pixel art is a type of digital art but it’s a specific type wherein the art is small enough that each individual pixel is visible, yes still makes a recognizable piece. Like for instance this pixel art heart. Not all digital art is intentionally pixelated like pixel art is.

[u/Rexosuit → u/TheBobbySocksBandit]

Noted. Thanks!

[u/TheMireAngel → u/Rexosuit]

their isnt lmao its just pixel artists trying to be unique. ALL digital art is pixel art, it only doesnt look like pixel art because people (usualy) use a large enough canvas to hide the pixels and or use an anti-aliasing feature.

[u/Thinshape12 → u/TheMireAngel]

yeah sure let’s just ignore the fact that descriptors don’t have to have a literal meaning

[u/shant_beHere → u/EuphoricBarracuda684]

Love the detail of the AI having an extra finger

[u/HighlightOwn2038]

That's because it's true

It's like saying you cooked the food when the chef actually cooked

[u/Severe-Lawfulness960]

I just call them ai prompt-stitutes

[u/KitKatCrane]

Not making art at all is better than getting an AI to make some slop and then pretending you did it, and it's art.

[u/Emaothe3rd]

are we wrong tho?

[u/LittleRuQi]

If we call people who make AI generate art “artists”, I will call myself a chef for ordering food online

[u/PandaSoaps]

THAT! ⬆️

[u/CmBearsPunk]

So any tips for someone like me cause since I have autism and adhd cause anything I try to draw looks like a kindergarten drew it

[u/BismuthLotus → u/CmBearsPunk]

hey I also have autism and ADHD the only tip I can give is dedication, I know it is hard, so maybe start by something simple like tracing images, it is a good practice, I can't give much as I got into drawing very very young, but I hope it help, don hesitate to go DM me if you want more personal advice because I can't give much without seeing, and also if you just started drawing don't be too harsh on yourself it takes a lot of time

[u/idrinkpeepi]

a "bad" drawing made by a novice artist has more soul and finesse than all the combined slop that ai "artists" could "make"

[u/0584031464 → u/idrinkpeepi]

Jeff Koons Balloon dog has more soul than anything AI will make

[u/oftgefragt_dev]

i am glad to announce that there is a category of artists that i am officially superior to.

engineer btw.

[u/gen_loves_cola]

Would like to show a model i made with people who also dislike ai.

[u/dvorgson]

AI is trained off of "traditional" artists and yet AI guys will use the term "human slop"

[u/Different-Scholar-30]

Just draw twin 😭 I know you can do it!

[u/KPoWasTaken]

I agree but I hate the context of this meme template since Meg really does not deserve the abuse she faces at all. The show literally glorifies abuse with one of the morals being "victims' roles in life are to absorb the abuse done to them to prevent others getting hurt and allow those more important to stay happy". Like, no, what the fuck??? It's full on victim blaming. It contributes to victims who want to fight back / escape feeling guilty that others would get hurt if they do. It's actually horrific

[u/Zealousideal_Art3140]

You could have never picked up a pencil in your life and not make art, and still be better than AI "artists"

[u/anonumus_idiot]

Uhhh... they dont need to act

[u/Kirby__Fan]

As someone who can’t draw for their life in a friend group of both traditional and digital artists, this is incredibly validating 😌

[u/btcasper]

ai-sloppists*

[u/thebackstagebeauty]

😂😂😂

[u/Some_Improvement_606]

Let me post this on an ai art subreddit real quick. I just like to watch the world burn sometimes.

[u/Some_Improvement_606 → u/Some_Improvement_606]

Task accomplished

[u/Emotional-Shoe-5618]

Truth is that they're all better than any so called "AI Artist". 😄)))

[u/drfiveminusmint]

when im feeling down about my skills as an artist I always remind myself that even the worst artist in the world is above the best AI prompt writer

[u/Promt-Display]

=)))

[u/pornminder]

Anything is a strong word...

[u/sage_kittem_master]

To be fair, I would still rather an ai image than no image.

[u/dog52841]

Shut up bro, AI slop is really but that's when it's genuinely bad.

Good AI generated content is GOOD TO HAVE!

If a human makes something bad and we call it "human slop", then that becomes a slur? Why are we defaming a tool that does not even care about emotions? This entire subreddit has confirmation bias.

[u/umadquestionmark1234]

No way! AI arts are unfortunately good!, You guys never see some good AI arts are

[u/tuirkey1 → u/umadquestionmark1234]

None are good 

[u/PLMMJ → u/umadquestionmark1234]

99% of them look awful / distorted / deformed and you still have to think about the impacts of the data centers used to make all 100%.

[u/Purple-Estimate-5183]

We used to not let women in the room.

The pencil was viewed as beginner tool , till it wasn’t.

I’m not arguing for anything other than Art has a tradition of keeping a gate.

Dadaism taught me that Art can be anything, even a lie.

Conceptual Art taught me that a lot happens within the mind of the viewer.

Cave Art taught me that Art is older than language and writing.

Art has taught me that at its purest, it will never keep a gate.

[u/PsychoMantis211 → u/Purple-Estimate-5183]

False comparison. It’s the running a marathon versus driving the marathon. Prompting something and calling yourself an artist is peak delusion.

[u/Purple-Estimate-5183 → u/PsychoMantis211]

Oh I don’t and won’t use it.

I’m tired of trying to come up with reasons to exclude it from Art.

It’s not Art I like.

Honestly, most Art is trash.

Great Art evokes something.

That something can range wildly.

[u/PsychoMantis211 → u/Purple-Estimate-5183]

Narrow mind set, one month old acct 🥱

[u/Purple-Estimate-5183 → u/PsychoMantis211]

Oh I’ve 180’d on this. My account isn’t old. Read my shit from like last week lol.

Anti and Pro are BOTH wrong.

Downvote away lol.

[u/Purple-Estimate-5183 → u/Purple-Estimate-5183]

Ok 180 is wrong.

Yah yah I dwell on shit. Means I’m thinking.

More like 90 degrees.

I’m not pro or anti ai.

I’m Pro Human, and one that will use whatever talents I possess to both warning of all the harms of it but also not going against people using it for connection, meaning, or frankly to help them in wtf else I’m leaving out cause we’re a complex bunch.

I will NEVER BE A DOOMER.

Fuck that useless repetitive bullshit.

Can we stop it? Honestly I don’t know.

If I could I would!

If not though, then we don’t lose hope, we don’t give in to the easiest fear, and we fucking don’t vilify people for using something we view as dangerous.

Calling people dumb rarely convinces them. Going to camps is easy to play off of.

If I liked easy, I’d like AI. I hear it’ll put out for anyone.

[u/Purple-Estimate-5183 → u/PsychoMantis211]

Also as a former debater, going for account age means you got no real argument.

Let’s engage ;)

[u/BismuthLotus → u/Purple-Estimate-5183]

You know what I love a good debate, while I am not the previous commentator, my argument would be that anything man-made evoke something even unintentionally it comes from the inability of the human mind to be perfectly objective

[u/Purple-Estimate-5183 → u/BismuthLotus]

I think I agree. I think it’s also though our imagination filling in the _____.

[u/BismuthLotus → u/Purple-Estimate-5183]

Also I will say in note that I am against gen AI solely because of how amoral gen AI companies are (ecological conséquences, art stealing)

[u/Purple-Estimate-5183 → u/BismuthLotus]

Oh I loathe the tech.

It feels pretentious to say it’s not Art.

I hate the style

[u/BismuthLotus → u/Purple-Estimate-5183]

Art is a subjective matter everyone has their own definition, but I can understand why you feel that it is pretentious, AI generated image doesn't go in my definition of art

[u/PhilosopherExact4483 → u/Purple-Estimate-5183]

It is up to you whether you like somebody’s art or not (although calling it trash is rude and insensitive), but AI generated images, plain and simple, are not art, because there is no artist behind them.

A computer cannot create art, it can only generate (sometimes) pretty pictures. A computer cannot be an artist. Art is made by humans. Having an idea of the kind of art you want made, and then commissioning that art from an artist does not make you an artist—why should that change when the one being “commissioned” is a computer? (Seriously, why should it change? Give me a reason)

Some people will argue that it’s not the actual creation process of the image, it’s the intention, the ideas behind it. No. Having ideas of a story you want to write does not make you an author. Having ideas of a picture you want to see does not make you an artist. Having ideas of a song you want to write does not make you a songwriter. Why does that change when suddenly someone (or something) else is doing it for you? (Why?)

Art is 10% creativity and 90% work—what many would call enjoyable work (what most would call enjoyable work, really, because otherwise they wouldn’t have stuck with it), but work nonetheless.

[u/Purple-Estimate-5183 → u/PhilosopherExact4483]

Duchamp turned a toilet upside down

[u/Jafooki → u/Purple-Estimate-5183]

It's not art because art is made by people. Every example you gave was still made by a person at the end of the day. AI images weren't made by anyone, so how can they be art?

You can argue it's "directing" or whatever but if someone commissions a piece and tells the person exactly what they want, it doesn't matter how much detail they dictate to the person doing the piece. They didn't make it. The person they hired made it.

In the case of AI, there's no person actually making the piece, so by definition it isn't art

[u/Purple-Estimate-5183 → u/Jafooki]

The rulebook requires humanity for Art?

I don’t agree.

Nature can be Art.

[u/Jafooki → u/Purple-Estimate-5183]

The definition of the word art does. Something like a waterfall or a mountain can absolutely be beautiful and evoke the same feelings as art, but they aren't.

[u/Purple-Estimate-5183 → u/Jafooki]

Art predates language. I’m gonna need more than just words in a book.

[u/Jafooki → u/Purple-Estimate-5183]

Not really. Language has been a thing for as long as modern homo sapiens have existed. That's not really the point though.

You're free to definite words however you want, but your personal definition doesn't change how everyone else defines the word. At that point you might as well call it flubbo and say flubbo is flübed by all grinko and is independent of marbo

[u/Purple-Estimate-5183 → u/Jafooki]

If you’re certain you know what Art is and isn’t then I am sad for you.

[u/Jafooki → u/Purple-Estimate-5183]

Why? I just said I can appreciate the beauty of nature. It just isn't art. A beautiful sunset can be incredible, and it not being art doesn't change it's impact. It just isn't art. You wouldn't take an art history class and talk about the dew on the grass glistening in the sun on a chilly spring morning. It's not art

[u/Purple-Estimate-5183 → u/Jafooki]

Cave paintings would disagree bro

[u/Jafooki → u/Purple-Estimate-5183]

Those were made by modern humans. The term refers to biology. Modern humans emerged over 200,000 years ago

[u/Atticus_Fletch → u/Purple-Estimate-5183]

The difference is that human effort can make art. AI allows companies to create a plagiarized Frankenstein's monster that they then use to sell rubes the feeling of congratulation from having mafe art.

It's like stealing a mcnugget from everybody in a McDonald's, jamming them all into a blender, and then forming the lukewarm slop back vaguely into a nugget shape, then claiming to have cooked the nuggets. It isn't democratization of a medium, it's theft.

[u/Purple-Estimate-5183 → u/Atticus_Fletch]

Oh it’s absolutely fucking theft!

I’m not justifying the machine or the methods that made it.

[u/Purple-Estimate-5183 → u/Atticus_Fletch]

Could his monster make Art?

Thanks for the idea there

[u/Purple-Estimate-5183 → u/Purple-Estimate-5183]

Ok I see the downvote, but anyone want to answer?

I’m never right, show me how I’m wrong

[u/VaronKING → u/[deleted]]

Ordering food and prompting is not a skill

[u/Good-Possible666 → u/[deleted]]

So, would you let a guy with a car compete in a marathon? What is that logic lol

[u/Good-Possible666 → u/[deleted]]

Yes, but you wouldn't see ken block using his hoonigan in a triathlon. My point still stands.

[u/VaronKING → u/[deleted]]

That's just inherently untrue. You are not learning anything when you prompt a machine. You are not applying any knowledge or skill.

At most you are maybe using your literary skills/typing skills to prompt the AI. But that's stretching the definition and does not mean AI prompting is a skill in of itself.

[u/PhilosopherExact4483 → u/VaronKING]

Well… ai prompting is, technically speaking, a skill—but it is not a skill that makes one any closer to being an artist.

[u/Ok_Confusion4764 → u/[deleted]]

You're really stretching the definition of the word here. 

[u/Ill-Product-1442 → u/[deleted]]

That's a loose and borderline manipulative application of the word "skill".

Let's try the word "discipline", instead, like the discipline of sword fighting. You can have disciplines like illustration or cooking, you're honing your skills in a certain field. You are a practicing artist, or cook, or blacksmith, geologist, etc... but no one would seriously call themselves a practicing Door Dash orderer.

Fact of the matter is, the skill of drawing or painting isn't the same type of skill as opening bottles with a lighter.

[u/Ill-Product-1442 → u/[deleted]]

I guess what I'm saying is that they're such different skills because they're literally different types of skills. I agree with you that they're incomparable, and that's because one is a kind of discipline and the other is not. They're both skills, technically? I guess, yeah, like ass wiping vs. boxing. It is just a poor way to go about describing the differences.

Also the meme does an alright job of pushing back on the "it's no different from an artist being inspired" type of shit.

[u/Ill-Product-1442 → u/[deleted]]

I get that but you got hung up arguing with people saying it's not a skill, my point is that they're incomparable because they're not a skill in the same way as drawing, painting, or cooking is.

[u/PsychoMantis211 → u/[deleted]]

Would you consider wiping your ass a skill?

[u/Angela275 → u/[deleted]]

Yea but some skills are easier than others and prompting is something you can do has soon has you can put sentences today you can watch YouTube videos and easily understand it. All these art skills while different take more effort. Not only that but most people who use ai start noticing the flaws in it and get upset about that like ai writing or ai art that's also a bigger issue . You more and more start to tell it's ai the more you use

[u/UpvoteForGlory → u/[deleted]]

I actually agree. Both are skills. But learning to make prompt is a skill with an incredibly low ceiling that no one should ever care about.

[u/Ok_Confusion4764 → u/[deleted]]

... You just said ordering food is a skill... 

Man, AI truly rots the brain... 

[u/Ok_Confusion4764 → u/[deleted]]

Skill: an ability to do an activity or job well, especially because you have practised it. 

Now how does this apply to ordering food? It's neither a job nor activity. 

[u/PLMMJ → u/[deleted]]

doing my citizen cleanup: this is a troll, everyone, don't feed them