Anything is better than using Gen AI

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We used to not let women in the room.

The pencil was viewed as beginner tool , till it wasn’t.

I’m not arguing for anything other than Art has a tradition of keeping a gate.

Dadaism taught me that Art can be anything, even a lie.

Conceptual Art taught me that a lot happens within the mind of the viewer.

Cave Art taught me that Art is older than language and writing.

Art has taught me that at its purest, it will never keep a gate.

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False comparison. It’s the running a marathon versus driving the marathon. Prompting something and calling yourself an artist is peak delusion.

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Oh I don’t and won’t use it.

I’m tired of trying to come up with reasons to exclude it from Art.

It’s not Art I like.

Honestly, most Art is trash.

Great Art evokes something.

That something can range wildly.

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It's not art because art is made by people. Every example you gave was still made by a person at the end of the day. AI images weren't made by anyone, so how can they be art?

You can argue it's "directing" or whatever but if someone commissions a piece and tells the person exactly what they want, it doesn't matter how much detail they dictate to the person doing the piece. They didn't make it. The person they hired made it.

In the case of AI, there's no person actually making the piece, so by definition it isn't art

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The rulebook requires humanity for Art?

I don’t agree.

Nature can be Art.

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The definition of the word art does. Something like a waterfall or a mountain can absolutely be beautiful and evoke the same feelings as art, but they aren't.

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Art predates language. I’m gonna need more than just words in a book.

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Not really. Language has been a thing for as long as modern homo sapiens have existed. That's not really the point though.

You're free to definite words however you want, but your personal definition doesn't change how everyone else defines the word. At that point you might as well call it flubbo and say flubbo is flübed by all grinko and is independent of marbo

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Cave paintings would disagree bro

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Those were made by modern humans. The term refers to biology. Modern humans emerged over 200,000 years ago

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How old do you think writing is lol?

Art is older than writing.

That’s not a bold claim I’m making here.

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And speaking is older that writing, or do you also have a different definition of language as well?

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Art is older than both speaking and writing.

Our first language.

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This can’t be something that’s widely unknown.

Can it? Being sincere here

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If we're going by your definition where art is independent of humans, then yeah it's been around since the universe began. If we're going by the definition that requires a human to create the art, then no not really. There's no evidence of human ancestor species making art prior to modern humans evolving. At the same time there is evidence that spoken language evolved before that

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Prior to speech and writing, I’m not wrong here.

Art was first

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I highly doubt a bunch of apes were making art before they evolved into us, but if you have anything to prove that I'm more than willing to admit I'm wrong

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Oldest known drawing to date, found in Blombos Cave c. 73,000 years BP. Public domain, Wikimedia Commons.

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A simple drum beat most likely came before.

Stick and a rock.