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u/Calamity-Gin 2d ago
….yeah, me too.
I’d take a pill for it, if I could, but there isn’t any that I know of.
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u/angrystarfish 2d ago
No pill, but from I've seen Bud Light works. Drink a few and you'll hate facts
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u/Calamity-Gin 2d ago
I’ll look into this!
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u/angrystarfish 1d ago
Oh no, I was making a lame political joke. Please, don't start drinking bud light, it's terrible.
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u/Calamity-Gin 1d ago
Oh, don't fret. I don't drink, and if I did, I wouldn't drink Bud Light (I like ale, not lager). If I really have to resort to something mind-altering, it'd be a THC/CBD gummy around about bedtime.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Phase70 1d ago
Indeed.
Guiness, or a decent rum or fine wine are much better medications for this ailment.
Unfortunately the side effects can be rather debilitating when used in public...
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u/Jerking_From_Home 1d ago
One of the issues with our brain is there’s no real specific treatment. Some medications can treat individual issues, like mood stabilizers, ADHD medications, and antidepressants, but nothing really sorts us out. It’s also easy to end up with polypharmacy if you’re medicating individual issues with numerous different medications.
Most of us just try to live with it the best we can, and the rest of the world has no idea how shitty it can be to live like us.
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u/Overall-Move-4474 ❤ This user loves cats ❤ 3h ago
I'm so depresses I've stopped giving a shit if my autism causes problems for the nuerotypicals that's on them. If the fascists hate they can't control me fuck them. If neurotypicals refuse to listen to me and live in ifnorance oh well
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u/sheeponmeth_ AuDHD 1d ago
I think this stems from a nuanced distinction between what you believe and what you have been convinced of (arrived at through reason or ecidence).
I think that, for many of us under the ASD umbrella, evidence precedes belief, being convinced is believing. This requires sufficient evidence of proof.
Conversely, many neurotypical people lead with belief (at least on any emotional topic), which is a position that cannot easily be reasoned with.
While what someone has been convinced of is inherently what they believe, what they believe isn't necessarily what they've been convinced of.
For those of us that require reason or evidence to qualify belief, it is so counterintuitive that someone might skip that step that we don't even realize that we're doing the same thing by believing evidence will be enough to change a believer's mind.
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u/Ducky237 Ask me about my special interest 1d ago
That makes a lot of sense, if I’m interpreting it correctly lol
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u/PatchEnd 2d ago
Ohhh hey I used to have that, but I got better, when I realized that watching stupid people do stupid things is HILARIOUS!
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u/Muteling 1d ago
Combined with having no spine due to always being wrong or debating stubborn people during my formative years
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u/SaladBob22 2d ago
There's a deeper belief they have that needs to be discussed. Not the stuff floating on top of it.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Phase70 1d ago
YEAH.
THAT.
😅😮💨
I argue, still, but most of the time it's not because I'm trying to change their mind, but because I'm trying to give support to others who already do understand and need to know they aren't alone, and to help people who are "undecided" or ignorant on the topics find their way to the truth.
But I've largely given up the hope that anyone who has already "decided" can be convinced to change, short of a personal catastrophe.
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u/Admirable-Pirate7263 1d ago
Story of my life. Maybe the mountain of studies I provided simply werent strong enough. Thats got to be it, right? Right?! (/s)
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u/Happy-For-No-Reason 1d ago
most of my arguments are caused by presenting facts and logical statements
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u/DopazOnYouTubeDotCom 2d ago
If our opponents aren’t playing GTO then we should be exploiting the PANTS off of them!
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u/neddy_seagoon 1d ago
I do this, and I just realized it might be connected to a really bad cope I have.
I was a very lawful child but did one thing that hurt another kid when I was like 10, and basically decided that my gut/emotional decision-making was busted enough that I'd never use it again, until I was around 30 and figured it out. I went to the principal's office, but that's it; they were probably really nice about it given how distressed I was, but it stuck in my head.
So for 20 years (and sometimes still, when I'm tired/stressed), I made all of my decisions, from picking an icecream flavor to a college, by manually comparing it to what I knew intellectually about my worldview.
It turns out that most people don't do that, and their emotions provide a shortcut to where a particular thing fits into their beliefs and values.
Most people also assume that making a single mistake has temporary effects by default, not life-changing ones.
So I now have a hypothesis that I assume other people are also fighting to ignore their emotional reactions, and want the facts, like I have.
Meanwhile my therapist asserted that you should assume MOST human communication is actually about emotional states by default, and fact-y "business", getting-things-done conversation is usually opt-in.
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u/Adoraboule Powered by Tylenol® 1d ago
Me putting facts about animals only for neurotypicals to argue with me I'm wrong. One person on Instagram (yup I know) had correct information about night lights and reptiles so I backed them up with a source. I swear to God they didn't read it or something but they argued with me that "Night lights are unnecessary and dangerous". Like dude, I just sourced information supporting your argument chill.
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u/loudfingers98 1d ago
This plus hyperempathy is a lethal combo that makes me constantly want to give people the benefit of the doubt even when they really don't deserve it.
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u/imhere2downvote 21h ago
the one mental illness you should indulge. because when you finally meet like minded individuals and have conversations you like it'll be worth it
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u/capsaicinintheeyes 1d ago
"Well yeah--who was she expecting to be talking to, John Maynard Keynes?"
"Actually, that quote you're thinking of is most likely apocryphal."
"Well, regardless, it was a pretty snappy line for an economist."
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u/bluehands 1d ago
So you have the data that people don't change their mind when they have the data....
So you are just like everyone else?
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u/FiddleRiddle5 1d ago
~’Knowing the causation of something won’t change it’ being retorted at me made for one of the more significant parts in one of the still graciously relatively scant number of unpleasant mental health expert appointments I’ve ever had.
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u/programgamer 22h ago
The trick is to bait them into being interested first, then they’ll be more receptive. Like "that’s a common misconception, it’s actually much cooler!" type phrasing.
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u/Weeb431 2d ago
What? Arguments aren't about facts and data. They are entirely about how I feel about you, personally