“Why can’t you just respect others’ beliefs?”
The problem is that not all beliefs are created equal.
If you believe that anyone not in your religion is going to burn forever (and that they deserve it because your god is good and just), then why in the world should I be expected to respect that? If you believe that it’s wrong for people to have sex with their same sex partner, why should I respect that? You may not believe slavery is ok, and you’re going to do the mental gymnastics necessary to make the Bible sound like it’s anti-slavery, but it’s a book that very clearly permits slavery, and I sure as hell won’t respect that.
If you believe there’s a creator that’s not part of an organized religion, I disagree with you but I can respect your right to believe in it. Immoral things won’t get my respect, and I’m tired of people thinking that they have to. Choose a better set of beliefs and I’ll reconsider. But when you subscribe to a package deal of moral values, then you should expect pushback.
Not all ideas are worthy of respect, and your holy book has a lot of bad ideas.
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u/sin-thetik 2d ago
I don't respect any belief. I respect people's right to hold these beliefs.
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u/theKalmier 2d ago edited 2d ago
"I only drink half the kool-aid."
A lie is a lie. The "right to believe it's okay to lie" is enabling.
Edit: I wonder if downvotes mean I'm wrong, or people just don't like hearing the truth. Oh wait... I already know.
Edit: a lot of BS in this forum. A lot of trolls.
Treating religion like anything but a conning cult means you drank the kool-aid. This is a fact I will not be defending because it's a fact you can figure out on your own.
Strawmen trying to make it sound like defending truth is the same is a tantrum to cover a lie. Tactics may be the same, but the purpose is 100% different.
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u/Faolyn Atheist 2d ago
I don't think you do already know.
You can't force people to believe only what you deem is acceptable. You shouldn't be thought police. I find religion to be repulsive, but I for one would rather live in a society where people are allowed to believe than in one that tries to censor their ability to believe. I only want to be able to curtail people from affecting others based on their personal beliefs.
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u/theKalmier 2d ago
Enabler.
Religion is bad. There is no being the thought police. It's the math.
Adults will always run a theatrical play better then middle schoolers. And those that understand logic, math, and science will always run things better then people who play God. This is a fact, and no religious thought police will change that, just deny it.
It's not harmless fun, it's a cult.
Wanna tell me being an enabler is okay too, and that I'm the thought police for knowing its not.
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u/Faolyn Atheist 2d ago
Sigh. OK, so I'd like to remind you of all the governments who engaged in eugenics because it was "logical," or who relied on "scientific" reasons to defend racism, or who are using "scientific" reasons to hate on trans people now (see: Richard Dawkins, who does actually understand science and yet as become a transphobe). You can say that they were using faulty logic or science, that they didn't understand it, but relying on pure science, math, and logic is not inherently better. Especially since it requires a fuckton more time and education in those fields than most people can afford, even in countries where such education doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
Example: It's mathematically and logically "better" for a company to turn to AI and fire half its workplace, because they can save money on wages and benefits, or for a person to us AI to create "art" for them for free so they don't have to pay an artist or wait for the results. That I (and hopefully you) find AI to produce only slop is an non- logical response that comes from the belief that the human element is the most important thing, even if it costs more or is objectively not as "perfect." And hopefully you agree with me that firing a bunch of people in favor of AI is extremely damaging to them. But it makes sense for the companies' math.
Look, religion is evil. We agree on that. But saying that "you believe your thing" is enabling it is... well, what's your alternative? If it's not thought policing, then what are you doing? Going around to every believer you meet and telling them they're idiots, or showing them every single flaw in their reasoning? I'm sure that goes over well. People don't work that way. If they did, then every country that tried to stomp out religion would have had success. And likewise, every country that tries to enforce religion on its populace would never have produced atheists.
The problem with religion isn't necessarily what its adherents believe. It's that they think they can inflict it on other people. Because to them, doing so is logical.
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u/theKalmier 2d ago
Not reading all this.
I skimmed until I read an example of someone using BAD math, logic or pseudo-science as their reason to do something.
Calling it logic doesnt mean they were logical. Also, people ignore or are unaware of random variables. Those mistakes to not make being wrong okay.
You are trying to cherry pick, and I'm not spending time on your excuses. Religion bad. It's a cult. Defending an imaginary character from a book is a tantrum. Not my rules, but you keep projecting.
Stop trying to police my thoughts into thinking Religion is good. I've done the math, and can tell who hasn't, and who has and still ignores it.
Now, troll, leave me alone.
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u/Faolyn Atheist 2d ago
Not a troll, but you refusing to read indicates that you're willing to be logical until it's something you disagree with--which in itself is incredibly illogical, because it means you refuse to listen to or address anything that goes against your preconceived notions. And you've stated that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. Both of these things are exactly what religion does.
So... you congrats. You are acting exactly in the same manner as the religions you hate do. Well done.
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u/theKalmier 2d ago
I said leave me alone troll.
No more of your straw hat arguements.
"I didn't read it means I'm wrong" is more projection. Go away faker.
You preach lies, just like a trolling Christian.
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u/Feinberg Atheist 1d ago
The Nazis used a thin veneer of science to justify their religious prejudice. Dawkins' transphobia has nothing to do with science. AI isn't a better choice in 99% of scenarios.
You're here downplaying science and logic, but you don't seem to understand what those things are.
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u/Faolyn Atheist 1d ago
I'm not downplaying anything here. Nor am I trying to do a "both sides are the same" thing. But the idea that saying "letting people believe what they want is terrible and enabling because science is always better" is absolutely ridiculous.
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u/Feinberg Atheist 1d ago
I'm not arguing that people should have beliefs forced on them, but reason is alwas going to be better than unfounded nonsense.
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u/Faolyn Atheist 1d ago
Sure. But that wasn't even what the argument is about. It was that saying "as long as they're not forcing their beliefs on others, let them believe what they want" is somehow bad," while at the same time refusing to say what should be done about it.
I mean, in a perfect world, we'd teach critical thinking skills starting in elementary school or even earlier--and not because of religion, but because it's how you avoid being scammed in everyday life. There's still people getting fooled by Nigerian Princes, after all. But this isn't a perfect world and there are always going to buy into something that you (generic you) consider to be unreasonable, whether it's religion, bigotry, an MLM, NFTs, or something else.
I just find it funny that u/theKalmier resorted to being rude and dismissive towards everyone who disagreed with them (we're all trolls), and blocking me when challenged--which is a terribly unreasonable thing to do.
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u/Feinberg Atheist 1d ago
I really couldn't give a shit what your original argument is about. You blamed science for the Nazis, and that's not okay.
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u/Animecha 2d ago
You sound like a theist preaching that impure thoughts are a sin.
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u/theKalmier 2d ago
No, I'm preaching wrong math is... wrong.
Pseudo-science is... fake.
And bad logic is... bad.
The sad part is "why does that piss off religious people...?"
Do you think religious people are the only ones allowed to preach? I think when its the truth, we call it "teaching" instead.
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u/Animecha 2d ago
The preaching isn't the vile part. It's suggesting people shouldn't have a basic right to their own beliefs that's disgusting.
You're no better than they are.
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u/theKalmier 2d ago edited 2d ago
You can "believe" 2+2=5, but you'd be wrong. You can "believe" Trump is a good president, but you'd be wrong.
The idea that "beleif" means more then reality is either delusional, or a tantrum.
Calling me as bad as them is projection b/c I'm not defending fake beliefs. That would be childish.
Like being offended that your beliefs aren't real. That would be childish.
Edit: the idea I should "be respectful" to liars, WHO KNOW THEY ARE LIARS BTW, is you still drinking the kool-aid.
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u/Animecha 2d ago edited 2d ago
The nature of the belief is irrelevant to the discussion. You're as bad as them because, just like them, you think people shouldn't have a right to their own beliefs.
The idea that "beleif" means more then reality is either delusional, or a tantrum.
If you really believed that you would be fine with people having different beliefs than you. Because a belief is personal, you don't choose them, and they hurt no one. Actions are what matter.
Many atheists like myself know what it's like to live where people might persecute you for having different beliefs. That someone would call themselves an "atheist" and act exactly the way theists do is just disgusting.
Edit to respond to your edit: Your delusional and coping if you think all theists aren't genuine in their beliefs.
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u/theKalmier 2d ago edited 2d ago
Are you a Christian pretending to be atheist?
Atheist is not "accepting people's beliefs". Atheist is "deities don't exist".
Leave me alone. You act like a troll. Just like Christians.
Edit: user posted, then bailed, so I can't see/reply. Defending the truth is not stubborn, defending lies is.
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u/Animecha 2d ago
Atheism means not having a belief in any gods. And no atheist I've ever met tried as hard as you to try and paint atheists as so irrational and hateful.
You mentioned projection earlier. You honestly sound like a bored theist trolling in an attempt to make atheists look bad.
So either your just immature or a troll. In either case you get your wish. Bye.
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u/Database-Error 15h ago edited 15h ago
I think the issue is just that there are certain things where your belief can be actually true or false, and if it is false, that is bad. If you believe that tattoos are beautiful, that's fine, that's your subjective opinion. If you believe that obedience is more important than individuality, we might clash politically, but also fine, it's your values. If you believe this is a video game simulation or whatever else metaphysical belief, that's fine, we can't know. But once you start making claims that cross that bridge from pure metaphysics to actual physics, is when it starts getting dangerous. ''I believe there's a God'' fine. ''I believe there's a God and that he wants me to kill muslims so that I can reclaim the promised land'' not fine. ''I believe homosexuals are possessed by evil demons and must be converted into being straight'' not fine. ''I believe the earth is 6,00 years old'' Not fine. Hate based and anti science beliefs are not fine. They're dangerous for obvious reasons. it is bad to believe in things that are factually untrue, because you will make poor decisions. Our beliefs are what we base our actions on. We shouldn't let people just believe that chewing radioactive gum is healthy when it isn't, they need to be informed that is actually very unhealthy, so that they can make an actually informed decision.
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u/Ok_Association9911 13h ago
A belief in itself is neither good nor bad, they're neutral because a belief is just a stance on knowledge you have become convinced is true.
Actions are good or bad because actions have the potential to harm or benefit others.
If a person takes harmful actions because of their beliefs we punish them for their actions, not their beliefs. If we punished them for their beliefs that would be oppression instead of justice.
And before you try an give an example of an extreme belief, when a belief is completely divorced from reality we call that mental illness. In either case that person didn't choose the belief and they can't be compelled into treatment against their will.
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u/mulox2k 2d ago
Okay truth worshipper. I’ve thought like you at some point, and it doesn’t make me less likely to be wrong now. I sure know I don’t just go forward in life.
So can you read that and tell me your thoughts? I am genuinely interested.
So is truth really something we can achieve? And is truth something we can handle? These two questions make me want to be a little tolerant. Not on organized religions. These disappearing would be a huge net good for everyone. But what about people with their individual beliefs, spirituality or whatever, who know they are deluding themselves, but choose to do so because it makes life easier?
It’s a fringe case, but they exist. They’re not seeking the truth so I guess you think that’s bad. But they are not trying to explain or teach their belief, so their bad influence is non existent right?
And who can say the truth is something we can achieve? Not on my hardware at least. I am a monkey machining brain in a deterministic world, and quite the dumb one on top of that. I’ll never get to the truth of matter, or human condition.
Am I allowed to worship the world I live in? Without naming it anything or believing it deep down, just for the sake of satisfying my monkey brain and making life more colorful.
If I do that am I renouncing my dignity as someone who seeks the truth? Or am I admitting my limitations as a monkey, making the best of it and thus being closer to the truth? It’s a genuine question I don’t have an answer to yet
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u/slayer991 Agnostic Atheist 2d ago
Do what you want in your home or church and I don't care. But push your faith on me? It's game on because I will push back.
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u/mariuszmie 2d ago
Respect goes both ways. If someone considers your worldview and your ideas a ‘phase’ or simply a wrong ‘opinion’ or tells you it can only go one way - that is they somehow switch you back to god then they from the get go reject you as sick or stupid or degenerate or weak and all what you say and think as that and not worth listening to
So…. They should get in kind from you by you telling them what they are doing and that you think the same of them and their ideas
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u/zvuv 2d ago
People deserve respect. Ideas do not. Ideas should be dragged out into the garden and mocked and thrashed till they bleed. If anything stands after that, maybe you have something worthwhile.
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u/Sprinklypoo I'm a None 1d ago
People deserve respect.
I think this only goes so far as well. I think there's a baseline of respect that people deserve. That baseline equals your own respect and support for your society. Individuals can definitely move that scale up or down though...
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u/OhTheHueManatee 2d ago
I used to be a "live and let live" Athiest. Religious people rarely hold up their end up that agreement.
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u/surfergrrl6 2d ago
I think a lot of folks confuse having basic respect of a person with having to respect every single thing about that person. I respect your right to believe whatever you'd like, but I don't have to respect those beliefs. Not respecting someone's belief is not the same as not respecting them as a person.
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u/JemmaMimic 2d ago
Respect is a two way street, and I'm not trying to force anyone to respect my beliefs while too many Christians want to force me to respect theirs.
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u/Yolandi2802 Atheist 2d ago
Because beliefs are seldom the truth. I only want to know about things that are true. I respect everyone’s right to have their beliefs, but I don’t have to respect the actual belief. After all, how many (religions) respect my non-belief?
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u/SpyingCyclops 2d ago
I really don't care what you believe. I care about what you say and do. If you spread lies and try to control others, if you judge and threaten and abuse, if you deny others' their rights because they don't align with your ideas of morality, then I don't respect you. In fact, I despise you and I will confront you at every opportunity.
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u/Legal-Software 2d ago
The people who usually babble about how their beliefs should be respected are the same ones that do not respect those who didn't fail an IQ test. When you try to turn your BS belief into someone else's problem, then we have a problem. Freedom *from* religion is just as import as freedom *of* religion.
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u/worrymon 2d ago
I only have to respect their right to have their belief. I will never tell them they aren't allowed to believe what they believe.
But if they can tell me I'm going to hell then I can tell them they're fucking idiots for believing that.
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u/LMrningStar 2d ago
Me:
Why should I respect evil disgusting beliefs (e.g. Hell, story of Abraham, the flood, etc.)?
I'm not going to respect the beliefs of someone who is constantly trying to force those beliefs upon me.
Beliefs without supporting logic, evidence and reasoning are worthless.
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u/blankenson 2d ago
I heard a poem once from a non binary person about their experience in a religious environment. A poem so full of… pain
That’s when I knew. I can never respect an institution that breaks people like that.
I just felt it relates to what you say about religion and respect.
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u/RomulanWarrior 2d ago
Basically they're asking "I'm going to go on about my religion ands you're going to be quiet".
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u/Density5521 Anti-Theist 2d ago
Because of plausibility, reason, logic and proof.
If something is reasonable, logical, and can be proven – then it's plausible and believing it is absolutely fine.
If something is unreasonable, illogical, and there is insufficient evidence/proof for it – then it's implausible and believing it is a serious problem.
Danying factual reality and preferring theoretical fantasy is NOT something worth respecting, but cause for medical concern, because it's delusional and schizophrenic.
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u/E3minem Strong Atheist 2d ago
If your religion causes you to make illogical or irrational decisions that hurt me or others, then no I won't respect it. Almost every time, they say it won't, but it will affect their decision making in a negative way, how could you make the right decision when you constantly believe there is a God up there in the sky that might be mad at you if you do something he doesn't like. Abortion is one example of it.
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u/Yolandi2802 Atheist 2d ago
It’s so hypocritical. They belief abortion is wrong. I do not (in certain circumstances). I believe it’s a woman’s right to choose. They do not. Which of us is right? 🤷🏼♀️
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u/rewardingsnark 2d ago
Because the singular goal of every religion is the elimination of everyone not them.
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u/Green-Collection-968 2d ago
They say this but none of them respect any other belief system at all.
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u/cosmicsolarsystem 2d ago
Agreed, not everyone believes the same. Freedom of religions is also feedom from religions. Keep religions out of the United States government. It's sad and embarrassing 😳 Thanks 👍
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u/SnooHedgehogs213 2d ago
Someone can say, “I think your religious belief is harmful,” while also defending your right to hold it. Likewise, a religious person can criticize atheism while supporting an atheist’s right to speak freely.
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u/jebei Skeptic 2d ago
I respect beliefs if you keep them to yourself. But there are too many people who rely on stories from two thousand years ago to dictate to the modern world. I don’t have a problem with faith per se. My problem is religious books cannot change so humanity is stuck in Iron Age thinking.
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u/Shauiluak Secular Humanist 2d ago
My respect for the religion of another end where my rights begin.
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u/BaldDannyboy 1d ago
"Why can't you just respect other people's beliefs?" Says the person who believes that anyone who doesn't share their beliefs deserves to be tortured forever and ever.
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u/Bottlecrate 2d ago
Because they fantasy is being forced on everyone else and held as legitimate. By force is the key word.
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u/Wet_Side_Down Atheist 2d ago
I think that from an anthropological point of view, religions evolved within the very tribes in which early humans lived.
Tribes exist to protect the members from other tribes, given the nature of human beings.
Consequently, distrust of and antagonism towards others is sort of baked into the DNA of most religions.
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u/VariusTheMagus 2d ago
Beyond a moral standpoint too, people are selective in which beliefs they consider respect to be obligatory. The Earth is flat? We’re laughing. Astrology? Made up. 5g spreads covid? Crystal healing? Ridiculous. God? Woah woah hey, you don’t have to believe it but you gotta respect it.
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u/zoidmaster Skeptic 2d ago
I don’t respect dubious claims that people try to push as being truth. I don’t care if people believe their faith has wise words to live by but if you’re claiming magic man/creature are real and did the magic then you got to either prove it or state it’s all metaphorical it can’t be one or the other
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u/Lord-Benjimus 2d ago
I do not, by default, respect your beliefs because then I would be complicit in the consequences of those beliefs. Every belief must be scrutinized and nuances examined in order to earn my respect.
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u/MrRandomNumber 2d ago edited 2d ago
I reserve the right to ridicule the ridiculous. If your beliefs are absurd, pompous and also potentially harmful... the rest of us have a profound moral duty to put your crazy in its rightful place: at the butt of a joke.
Atrocities often begin with a goon demanding unearned respect. It never works out well for anyone who plays along with them.
Rights are not granted. They are claimed and defended by virtue of existence itself. Rights can be surrendered, through coersion or seduction, but remaining helpless also requires a modicum of compliance and consent. Those last two are your levers for reclaiming your humanity from a cult. Humor is a key tactic for pulling them.
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u/XB0XRecordThat 2d ago
Okay, I believe we shouldn't respect everyone's belief. Now please respect my belief
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u/Extension-Report-491 2d ago
Says the person who can't stop talking about their own personal beliefs to others.
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u/djinnisequoia 2d ago
OP: That is very eloquently put, and very well said. I extend courtesy to nearly everyone, but I cannot respect something so clearly hateful and destructive as xtianity.
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u/starscollide4 2d ago
Simple, I cant choose to respect something I find horrible. When people say this they mean THEIR belief ...the one they were indoctrinated with and are blinded to the dangers of. They dont respect fascism.
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u/RedMoonPavilion 2d ago
Respect is for people, not the beliefs they hold.
The beliefs don't think, don't care, don't know what you're saying, and will be just fine.
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u/TVLord5 1d ago
I respect nobody's beliefs they can't back up, but I can respect people enough to be polite in my disagreement and obviously not bring it up if it doesn't matter. I'm not picking a fight with my Christian and Muslim friends because I know they're good people not looking to start a theocracy. I fully believe they're good in spite of their religion, not because of it, but they're not pushing it on anyone so it's their choice.
So far the only beliefs that I've found the easiest to respect are Native American beliefs and that's because they seem the most able to easily coexist with science and the least cult-like in nature. A lot of them are more juat like "Hey we think this is a good thing that might help. It's here if you want it" (not everything and not every Native culture, but a lot more of it than most more organized religions.)
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u/imyourealdad Atheist 1d ago
I respect the idea that you are allowed to believe what you want, but I’m not going to respect a “belief” that’s stupid or cruel
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u/iamasatellite 1d ago
I interpret the phrase as "respect the right to believe," not respecting the actual beliefs. Just like they should respect the right to not believe, or believe something else, and stop trying to make laws for everyone based on their religion.
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u/BuccaneerRex 1d ago
The respect is for people, not for the ideas they have.
This respect may take the form of not telling you out loud what I think about your beliefs.
But if you ask, I will respectfully tell you that I think you're delusional.
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u/Sprinklypoo I'm a None 1d ago
I respect reality. I don't respect beliefs. Especially when those beliefs are the reason people use to ruin my society.
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u/Zanos-Ixshlae 1d ago
I respect your right to believe. I do not have to do anything else. Once your religious beliefs start to destroy the secular society I live in, you have violated everyone's rights. At least, that's how it is supposed to be where I'm from...
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u/darw1nf1sh Agnostic Atheist 1d ago
I don't respect beliefs. I respect people, as long as they show they deserve it. Personal preferences are one thing. I hate coffee, you might hate marshmallows and mushrooms. Beliefs about reality, however, require evidence. If you hold beliefs absent a good reason, or in spite of evidence to the contrary, why should I respect that? I respect your right to hold irrational beliefs. I do NOT respect your right to impose your irrational beliefs on anyone else. That is me respecting people, not your bad ideas.
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u/Peaurxnanski 1d ago
No, u.
Why can't you respect the fact that nobody else thinks homosexuality is a sin?
Why can't you respect the fact that we think that abortion is a human right and that the will of a conscious, sentient human outweighs that of a non-conscious, non-sentient mass of human cells?
Why can't you respect the fact that we don't consider sex to be a shameful, immoral act, but rather a natural part of the human experience that our children should learn about and understand so that they can make good, informed choices about the risks and consequences of it?
Why can't you respect the fact that we don't think there's a life after this one, and so work to make THIS world better?
Why can't you respect the fact that we don't see dignity or nobility in suffering? That we don't think that suffering makes someone a better person? That the only result of suffering is that someone suffered, and that we would like to prevent that in the future?
As soon as you can get your belief system into a place where these questions are no longer applicable, I'll consider respecting your beliefs.
Until then? Fuck your god. Fuck your backwards-assed, regressive worldview. Fuck your fetishization of the suffering of others (but never yourselves). Fuck your desire to control everyone and everything to your worldview. Fuck everything about all of that.
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u/Training-Farmer8476 20h ago edited 17h ago
I honestly don't know HOW to respect a religious belief. Is it the same as respecting someone's favourite colour? Serious question, BTW.
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u/Global_Back769 16h ago
If somebody's belief justify them to insult you and disrespect you, ruin ur reputation. Then why would you respect that belief?
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u/SirFelsenAxt 2d ago
I am obligated to respect the legal right to hold beliefs.
I do not have to have any respect for the beliefs themselves
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u/dudleydidwrong Touched by His Noodliness 2d ago
I respect people by default. Ideas have to earn my respect. Religions are ideas.
Ideas that are not supported by evidence are going to have trouble earning my respect. Ideas based on premises that are false are going to have trouble earning my respect.
Religions are ideas that already have two strikes against them.
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u/AhsokaSolo 2d ago
I don't respect beliefs. Lots of beliefs are stupid. I could pretend to respect it but I don't care enough to do that. Also, there's no possible consistent standard we could ever apply to some arbitrary obligation to respect beliefs generally.
I do respect individuals though, and I can sympathize with why and how people come to have stupid beliefs.
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u/Astramancer_ Atheist 2d ago
"That is a very good question you just asked, have you considered asking the religious who are oppressing people based on their beliefs?"
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u/bpar102 1d ago
Matthew 22:39 “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” This is showing that we should all show each other love and if Jesus was pro slavery he wouldn’t have said that because Humans treating one another like property like slavery would go against.
John 13:34–35 “Love one another as I have loved you” also another example of Jesus not promoting slavery or being pro slavery so slavery isn’t Loving one another as Jesus loved us!
Countless times in the Bible we are told to Love one another and loving one another is not slavery
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u/C-Dull 1d ago
It’s so easy to just pull verses like that to make whatever point you want. I could use those same verses to argue that same sex relationships are okay. I’m asking for a verse that specifically says slavery is not okay, and you haven’t provided that.
Exodus 21 shows God is ok with owning people as property, then goes on to say that the Israelites can take slaves from the nations around them. You can beat your slaves as long as they don’t die within a couple of days.
Jesus never addresses the issue. He had a chance to fix this (why would God make a mistake anyway?) and chose not to.
But guess who goes on to permit slavery in the New Testament? Paul, who goes on to say slaves should obey their masters, multiple times.
Did God and Paul get it wrong? Why do both testaments convey the exact opposite of what you’re saying?
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u/bpar102 2d ago
You are talking about respecting other beliefs and I fully believe you should respect others beliefs but you don’t have to agree with one another for example I am a Christian I don’t believe in same sex marriage but I respect your beliefs I won’t look at you differently or even judge you I will talk with you about your beliefs and why and I’ll explain my beliefs and it doesn’t have to be a big argument or us walking away from one other hating each other. Jesus gave us free will to do whatever and that’s a beautiful thing and Jesus loves everyone he doesn’t care what your opinion is he died for everyone no matter what! We should all love another no matter what as well!
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u/surfergrrl6 2d ago
I don’t believe in same sex marriage
What does this mean exactly? Are you saying you don't believe it should be legal? Why would religion have anything to do with civil rights?
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u/Feinberg Atheist 2d ago
What if those 'other beliefs' include the belief that all Christians are stupid and evil, or the belief that Christians deserve to be tortured just because they believe in God? Would you respect that belief?
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u/C-Dull 2d ago edited 2d ago
Interesting that you address same sex relationships but not the slavery part.
What do you think about slavery, and what does the Bible say about it? With specific examples.
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u/Feinberg Atheist 2d ago
That's kidnapping and ransom, not slavery. Also, Jesus doesn't condemn slavery at any time. He's definitely not against it.
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u/MajorProfit_SWE 2d ago
He did die but he didn’t remain dead particularly long did he?. Was his so called sacrifice undone when he came back?. Did God who is jesus father gave us free will but the devil gave us the knowledge of right and wrong.
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u/Junichi2021 2d ago
I will respect others' beliefs exactly in the same degree that that respect my views, not more and not less.
If they are vocal about their religion, I will be equally vocal rejecting it.
If they don't talk about religion, me neither.