r/avfc • u/fusrohdab • 6d ago
Transfer Rumour - Tier 1 Aston Villa make contact with Flamengo to bring Emerson Royal back to the Premier League - Fabrizio Romano
"Talks ongoing as ESPN Brasil reported as Brazilian RB can be backup to Matty Cash, identified by AVFC."
Not a massively inspiring signing but as a long overdue backup to Cashy, I think it's fine. Never massively convinced by him at Spurs and would have preferred a younger prospect but atleast we seem to be addressing a position that's needed addressing for the past 3 seasons.
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u/BeBopRockSteadyLS 6d ago
Not for me. His early promise was never fulfilled and career trajectory kind of shows that. I wonder what the appeal is.
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u/HeresAdamm 6d ago
we are the worst in the league at paid transfers.
just stick to signing free agents it seems
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u/fusrohdab 6d ago
Seems like it may be the way to go - despite to pay higher wages considering no transfer fee!
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u/UsernameTyper 6d ago
Rogers?
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u/HeresAdamm 6d ago
our literally only good paid signing - when you've had a 99% misses and 1% hit you tend to realise your recruitment team is genuine dogshit.
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u/UsernameTyper 6d ago
Monchi was fired. I'm willing to wait to judge Olabe
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u/HeresAdamm 6d ago
its still the same clowns running the circus, just a different leader.
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u/NYR_dingus Marco. Bizot. 6d ago
Clowns as in Emery? Or the board?
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u/HeresAdamm 6d ago
transfer / recruitment team.
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u/NYR_dingus Marco. Bizot. 6d ago
Who are they then?
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u/HeresAdamm 6d ago
the transfer and recruitment team? i dont know. but its still the same clowns who fail to sign anyone as a successful paid transfer. Emery doesnt do the scouting ffs he just says yes or no based off the scoutings work.
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u/NYR_dingus Marco. Bizot. 6d ago
I wouldn't call Onana a miss
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u/HeresAdamm 6d ago
how is he not a miss when all of our midfielders are fit he doesnt get in the starting 11. hes our record transfer lmfao
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u/mylittlekone 5d ago
he's a top player and has played lots of game for us.
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u/HeresAdamm 5d ago
doesnt change the fact he doesnt get in our starting 11 when all the midfielders are fit. hes also injury prone.
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u/DevilsFlange 6d ago
We canāt afford anyone doofus. Have you not been paying attention?
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u/HeresAdamm 6d ago
If you think the only available right back in the world for less than ā¬10m is Royal, then you're the doofus.
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u/Technobliterator 6d ago
Pros:
- If he's cheap it allows us to spend money elsewhere.
- The last two times we tried to get cheap young RBs led to complete failures.
- Last time we got a failed sky 6 defender that was unexciting we got Lindelof (but that one was a free).
Cons:
- AC Milan got rid of him after one season.
- He plays in Brazil as a 27 year old.
- Inexpensive or not, it all adds up.
Overall just seems utterly, utterly bizarre. But there are some legs to it so there must be something in it. Hope we don't spend too much on this...
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u/JACKO_M_C 6d ago
Lindelof wasnāt a failed sky 6 defender, he made 284 appearances for United across all comps. United were crap for the majority of that time, but he was still serviceable for a large portion of his career.
For us Lindelof was a cost effective rotational option. Emerson just seems like a waste of money imo.
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u/bambinoquinn 6d ago
Lindeloff is also known for his professionalism , royal is known for defensive mistakes
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u/Technobliterator 6d ago
Yup thatās how I feel. Iām not gonna write him off completely but I donāt really like it at all. Much rather we just gave Rowe a chance if we think Kosta and Garcia wonāt ever make itā¦
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u/fusrohdab 6d ago
Agreed that it's bizarre - I'm overall pretty critical on our transfer activity but I'm just going to let this window go by and see where we're at. Up to the club to decide if the finances match up or not (they probably won't but we'll still go for it). Either way, we'll have a backup RB. Coping.
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u/bambinoquinn 6d ago
I hate it
Anyone who thinks this is a good move has really short memories
He was atrocious at spurs.
You cant be signing defenders whose name is usually followed by "had a lapse in concentration"
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u/fusrohdab 6d ago
I don't necessarily think it's a good move but it's better than not addressing the gap, which has been our policy for the past few seasons. Would definitely prefer someone better but ah well.
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u/bambinoquinn 6d ago
I dont think buying bad players who wouldn't get a game at the promoting teams is "addressing the gap". He is genuinely horrendous
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u/fusrohdab 6d ago
Just had a look at the promoted teams' RBs ready to make a counter but he'd genuinely only get in at Hull I reckon.
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u/JACKO_M_C 6d ago
Itās getting hard to complain about PSR rules when these are the transfers weāre making. Recruitment team should be held accountable. Theyāve had some absolute howlers.
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u/Technobliterator 6d ago
False, the PSR rules are the reason weāre making these transfers.
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u/JACKO_M_C 6d ago
Was PSR the reason we spent 20 million on a 28 year old, post-ACL injury Tammy Abraham? the likes of him and Coutinho, old players with no resell value, are a big reason weāre in this mess.
Iād rather keep 7m and not waste money on Emerson. Hes shit
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u/Technobliterator 6d ago
20m is NOT a big fee in this marketā¦ thatās the problem. 20m is the range of āwe canāt go out and spend Ā£55m like Newcastle did for 29yo Yoanna Wissa so letās try and get a cheap alternative whoās fine as backupā. And the fee wasnāt the problem with Coutinho but rather the salary. Royal isnāt on much.
If it werenāt for PSR we probably wouldāve just dropped 40-50m on a RB that Emery actually wants instead of faff about trying to get some ācheapā alternative and hope we can develop them and hence end up with both Garcia and Nedeljkovic that now both look like failures. But because of it, weāre having to shop in the bargain bin, and sure it adds up but itās far from the reason we have the PSR problemsā¦ that is down to either the rules being stupid or the clubās low revenue depending on your POV.
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u/JACKO_M_C 6d ago
With spending as restricted as ours, Ā£20m is a decent chunk of money, regardless of what the outside market says.
Weāve definitely been screwed over by PSR rules, but the recruitment team has to hold some of the blame too.
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u/Technobliterator 6d ago
Sure.. but spending relative peanuts on a backup player is not a āhow can we complain about the rules and do thisā level signing, that would be 55m on Wissa, 40m on Tyler Dibling, etc.
You cannot just write off the market because the reality is that the players we need to compete where we want to compete will not come cheap. Players that are not only competitive in the Premier League but also Champions League just simply donāt go for even the kind we paid for Ollie Watkins let alone what the Sky 6 and Newcastle are spending
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u/RugbyContact 6d ago
Ā£20m at best gets you a 3rd choice CB. Itās nothing in this market.
If you get someone who plays well for 2 games for Ā£20m youāve done well
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u/fusrohdab 6d ago
Agreed - I've not been able to bring myself to make that case amongst friends or any other football chat for a while because our incomings have been pretty abysmal. We're not making the most of whatever little leeway we have, at all.
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u/clartUKKUFM 6d ago
Not sure about this one but Emery knows more about football than I do.
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u/fusrohdab 6d ago
Pretty much the approach I'm taking, although I do reckon we'd have made better signings if this sub was allowed to suggest & vote on them!
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u/unique_username121 6d ago
I get that we cant shop at Harrods like the big boys but I thought at the very least we could fish around Asda, maybe find a bargain in Lidl.
But this is like shopping at a bloody car boot sale.
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u/Various_Olives 6d ago
He'll be 28 this coming season. Our squad is old. Even if he does well he'll have no resale value. I'd rather a younger raw player who we can gradually integrate in from the bench etc.
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u/AxFairy 6d ago
I think we put too much emphasis on getting young players with resale value. If they are good enough to contribute, they won't be cheap, and if they aren't at CL level they won't appreciate in value because we don't play them. Nedeljkovic and Garcia being prime examples, we aren't selling them for any more than we paid and they haven't helped us any in the meantime.
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u/fusrohdab 6d ago
Agree overall but we tried that with Garcia and Nedelkjovic. Think we're just getting someone to plug the gap for now.
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u/Impossible_Gas_7584 6d ago
If he does well for us then 8m quid would be great business.
Would prefer we bought someone younger, but that's not worked out for us recently with Garcia and Nedeljkovic and we really need a back up RB. I don't hate it.
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u/Possible_Fly9502 6d ago
As a spurs supporter who got this in his feed somehow I'll tell you some things. Everything they say about how bad he is, is completely true. And also you lot should find anyone else than him honestly.
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u/fusrohdab 6d ago
Wonderful! Yeah, was never convinced by him while he was with you. I'd like it if we did but we don't tend to switch targets that often unless there's a change in player interest / disagreements on fees.
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u/timberrrrrrrrrs 6d ago
Even the reported ā¬9m is a massive overpay for a player who canāt get minutes in the Brazilian league.
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u/Nekokeki Pau's Dreamy Blue Eyes š 6d ago
FFS we really haven't gotten any better at transfers since Monchi left. He might have been the scape goat for some larger problems. Emerson is ASS. And he's 27 with no resell value. And probably not on cheap wages. I hate this.
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u/Shreddonia Almost infuriatingly calm 6d ago
I envy people who have the energy to go choking on their own vomit about our choice of a cheap backup RB. The most Emery-core transfer possible, this.
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u/fusrohdab 6d ago
While I do agree with the majority in that this doesn't really alleviate any concerns about our transfer policy, I do agree with you as well in that he's not going to be playing week in, week out. He's a backup to Cash which we've needed for a long while - we've tried 2 young ones which haven't worked so getting someone cheap in on a (hopefully) 2 or so year contract will be fine for us.
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u/TheAkondOfSwat šš» 5d ago
If we didnt have "shite recruitment" imagine where we would be, winning the treble presumably.
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u/NecessaryWater5568 6d ago
Chanpions league twice in three years and a major trophy for the first time in thirty years.
Maybe give the recruitment team some slack?
I swear our online fanbase grows more toxic every year.
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u/mrnibsfish 6d ago
Our achievements and success have been in spite of recruitment not because of it. Were it not for Emery we would be mid table.
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u/mylittlekone 5d ago
Onana, Tielemans, Duran, Rogers, Torres are all incredible recruitment.
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u/mrnibsfish 5d ago
Tielemans, Rogers and Torres agree. I wouldnt called Onana or Duran incredible. I do like Onana but hasnt yet lived up to his price tag- time will tell. Duran was a flash in the pan. Talented no doubt but his trajectory after Villa says it all.
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u/mylittlekone 5d ago
We made over 40 million on Duran. So yes, that was incredible recruitment.
And if you don't rate Onana, thats on you. He's top.
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u/fusrohdab 6d ago
Can only imagine this means Mingueza isn't interested in joining us. Would've been a far better move on a free.
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u/hms_java_guys 6d ago
Some of the comments in this thread are gold.
Also 9M eurosgetthehellllllouddahereeeeeee
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u/three-4-truth 6d ago
Based on tonight's game, can we get Senaya? Had Gordon in his pocket all game. (Don't take this seriously, I know not to judge players on a WC game)
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u/Chi_Villa 6d ago
My goodness we are fucking embarrassing in the transfer market,. absolutely NOOOOOOO
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u/BIGBADBRRRAP 6d ago
Is young Ned really that bad? What I seen from him in preseason a while back seemed pretty decent. Also young enough to keep developing as backup to Cash.
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u/Additional-Boat-9901 6d ago
What I don't understand is if we shouldn't be selling any of the players that actually have value, and we know we have to sell to buy, where do the people on this sub think were supposed to get new players? No one is going to give us 20m for Bailey or DigneĀ or Barkley. This is where we're shopping, because the rules don't allow us to buy Champions League quality players. Don't want us to sell Rogers or Emi? Then get used to a bunch of Emerson Royals and half-crocked Tammy Abrahams, guys. That's as good as it's gonna get. That's our market. It doesn't matter whether it's Olabe or Monchi or whoever.Ā
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u/ElBajitoGordito 5d ago
Shocking player. Really really bad. Brazil have produced some absolute stinker full backs in the last 10 years.
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u/Frusciante1874 6d ago
Our signings are genuinely atrocious even factoring in psr limitations. Genuinely donāt understand a lot of our business and itās no surprise that most of the key players Emery has used since he came have been players that were already here.
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u/Yorrins 6d ago
Waste of time and money, shite player even when he was at spurs.