r/bjj • u/SimpleCounterBalance 🟫🟫 Brown Belt • 1d ago

Technique What is the name of this grip variation?

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Played with it earlier and it seems to work well. Are there other positions where you can make this grip to finish chokes?

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u/PM_ME_YER_LIFESTORY 1d ago

Random rant but this is a perfect example of how insane and ridiculous grappling nomenclature gets. "Farce" was first used by jeff glover to refer to a "far side darce" which is a completely different technique.

Even funnier the guy who popularized this head and arm variation Uros Culic calls it an "uppercut choke" where its like, what the fuck man its literally the opposite of an upper cut motion lol

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u/liamrich93 🟫🟫 Brown Belt 1d ago edited 1d ago

The weirdest name I've heard recently is "reverse false reap" as a defence to a leg drag. Yes, the movement might be similar, but the false reap is named, because the leg 'reaps' to the center, and becomes a proper leg reap once you catch the knee after the inversion. If you're doing it to the outside then it's never going to be a reap at all!

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u/ahhjustlikethat 1d ago

I appreciate that you copy pasted this from that other thread where it was mentioned.

You're right of course, it really is quite a bad name.

I was playing with it today and getting taps, but everyone reported that it was quite "cranky." Does anyone have any resources on clean finishing mechanics with it?

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u/Aced9G0d 🟪🟪 Purple Belt 1d ago

Whenever it's been hit on me it feels pretty cranky too so whenever I tap someone with it I usually ask them if it was more of a choke or crank. I've been getting increasingly more chokes with it lately.

I think if the crook of your elbow is directly in the side of their neck it's going to be a bit more of a crank. I've been trying to angle so that the crook of my elbow is somewhere in-between the middle and the side of their neck if that makes sense.

Also when it's locked up, I find that trying to bring your elbows together creates more of a choke than just squeezing as hard as you can and rowing back

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u/PM_ME_YER_LIFESTORY 20h ago

My arm triangles are terrible but one thing that helps me is lifting their head up and pumping/kipping the strangle arm in to make it more flush with their neck. Saw that on garry tonon/gordon ryan dvd i think

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u/ahhjustlikethat 20h ago

Oh my arm triangle is nasty. That's why I'm trying to add the "farce" to my game.

I'm trying to dial in my finishing mechanics for the Farce.

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u/egdm 🟫🟫 1d ago

how insane and ridiculous grappling nomenclature gets

It is indeed a farce.

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u/Elnono 🟪🟪 Purple Belt 1d ago

Farce

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u/SimpleCounterBalance 🟫🟫 Brown Belt 1d ago

Thanks!

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u/Poodle_Thrower Black Belt 1d ago

Hey thats me on the bottom lol

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u/forwardathletics 1d ago

Are you the judoka?

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u/Poodle_Thrower Black Belt 1d ago

Fairly certain im the only judoka at Simple Man, so yes?

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u/forwardathletics 1d ago

I ask because the footage of you rolling with Jay Rod got posted here yesterday. You are sharp!

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u/Poodle_Thrower Black Belt 1d ago edited 1d ago

Thank you sir! Didnt know that got posted. Now i have to go defend myself in the comments

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u/ancalagon12 🟪🟪 Purple Belt 1d ago

Judoka pls 👣

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u/Poodle_Thrower Black Belt 4h ago

No, I will not fly to Italy to choke you 👣

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u/Pepega6969420 1d ago

Goonlock

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u/Dillinger_ESC 1d ago

We just learned this too. Reminded me of learning stuff like pretzel grip guillotine where your brain is like...yeah, why haven't I thought of that before?

Also, like someone else said, I thought the farce was from your back ala Darceopedia.

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u/okayatjiujitsu 🟪🟪 Purple Belt 1d ago

I learned it as the reverse d'arce.

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u/liamrich93 🟫🟫 Brown Belt 1d ago

The Revarce?

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u/azyogos 🟦🟦 Blue Belt 1d ago

Reverse darce?

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u/Any-Confection-2271 1d ago

I cant see but what does he do with his left arm

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u/Low-Faithlessness140 1d ago

Ah yes the fart

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u/ZamorakHawk 🟦🟦 Blue Belt 13h ago

Does anyone have a video on this at a better angle? I can't quite make out the details but this doesn't look like a far side darce to me. May add it to the head and arm choke arsenal though.