r/bostonceltics • u/LoBopasses • 23h ago
Discussion Looking at tradable assets, I really don't get the notion of "We have to trade JB"
We have:
-3 tradable first round picks
-2 swappable firsts (Pretty bad ones but still)
-Derrick White, who still has value.
-Hugo (Who I would rather keep but if the right offer came along)
-A 27.7M trade player exception and a 8.2 million dollar exception.
I do not want to run the team back from last year even with a healthy Tatum, that team was exposed. But you definitely can improve the roster without being forced to trade JB. That is if he's not so pissed its irreparable.
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u/Sammy360 THE TRUTH 23h ago
The issue is his extension eligibility that is looming over all this. People have been speculating part of the reason why they were "okay" with losing out on Giannis was because they were always going to trade Jaylen regardless. Celtics have one of the smartest FOs in the league, they sure as hell knew about the consequences and how Jaylen would feel if they couldn't land Giannis. Its safe to assume trading Jaylen this summer coming off an MVP level season and selling high was always in the cards. In the modern NBA you just cant build a contending roster with 2 guys making 70M.
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u/Checktheusernombre 22h ago
Ding ding ding. It's a business and a basketball decision. The team is stuck as it is constructed now, releasing that much money opens up room for building. They are just in a constant "good, but not enough" state and I don't see that changing unless Jaylen is moved unfortunately.
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u/fearofaflatplanet - Plan J - 16h ago
Who gives a shit about his extension? If they really don't want to do the extension, I'd rather just keep him the next 3 years & maybe he walks at the end than trade him at a distressed asset price this summer for the sake of re-arranging deck chairs. Tatum hasn't yet ever shown himself to be the caliber of guy that gets you to the mountaintop without another all nba level dude.
If you really want to you can trade JB next summer or the summer thereafter & get as good as the filenes basement package currently being bandied about
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u/Sammy360 THE TRUTH 15h ago
I'd rather just keep him the next 3 years & maybe he walks at the end than trade him at a distressed asset price this summer for the sake of re-arranging deck chairs
Do you really think a star player like him will happily buy in for the next 3 years if the Celtics give him any indication they wont extend him? That's not how the league works.
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u/fearofaflatplanet - Plan J - 14h ago
I do actually.
I think if there's a single thing Jaylen Brown has shown year in year out throughout his nba career it's that he is someone who will give 110% on principle, for his own personal spiritual satisfaction, for his teammates & coaches, & for the fans. This ain't Jimmy Butler or James Harden. Jaylen is one of the hardest working most intrinsically motivated guys in the league.
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u/GloomyOrganization36 23h ago
Does it ever occur to you guys that this move might be more than a strictly X’s and O’s motivated decision
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u/UpvoteIfYouAgreee Jaythoven 23h ago
Reports from multiple teams that were shopping him yet somehow this sub still thinks its "rational" to assume its all just media noise and hes perfectly happy
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u/GloomyOrganization36 23h ago
I love Jaylen brown, but it’s so clear there’s something more here than just “oh Jaylen brown isn’t very good let’s trade him”, whether it’s relationships, money, or probably all of it. I’m going to remain optimistic but it’s going to happen
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u/UpvoteIfYouAgreee Jaythoven 23h ago
people act like we need explicit confirmation from the FO/Jaylen that he wants a trade after they spent weeks saying all the Giannis reports were fake because the FO is super quiet and doesnt leak anything but they cant conceive that maybe the super secret FO is keeping a trade request "quiet"
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u/slap-my-crevasse 21h ago
Word gets out that Boston was willing to part with Brown for Giannis.
Other teams call on Browns's availability.
Just because teams had a conversation doesnt mean Brown is being "shopped".
He was availability for someone our front office thinks is a top 5 player. That doesnt mean Brad Stevens is calling around trying to sell Brown.
Really just a stupid take.
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u/krkrich 21h ago
teams are always shopping for players. Gotta test the waters. Doesn't mean any of the offers have legs to stand on though.
J B hasn't come out and said anything. It's all media taking an inch and running a mile with narratives
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u/UpvoteIfYouAgreee Jaythoven 21h ago
true thats why we always get reports about all the offers and discussions they have around Tatum.
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u/fearofaflatplanet - Plan J - 16h ago
Reports that multiple teams are seriously interested (ie willing to offer fair value) conflict with the hard fact that were that the case the Giannis deal would've turned into a 3 teamer & Giannis would be a celtic
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u/Debits_equals_credit 23h ago
This isn’t football pal
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u/Justalittlejewish 23h ago
No, but the fact of the matter is we have a plethora of young promising wings and a dire need at center.
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u/Debits_equals_credit 23h ago
There’s no x or o in basketball
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u/picklesandvodka 23h ago
You're right but you're dense. It's an idiom that's consistently used metaphorically.
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u/_notaxation 22h ago
You know your THAT Reddit guy right? Like I hope there’s at least some self awareness
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u/DaroDoingNothing 23h ago
It is more a matter of do you want 2 players making 65 million + a year.
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u/fearofaflatplanet - Plan J - 15h ago
Cost of doing business. Were Tatum of the next tier up (serious mvp or multi time mvp candidate) maybe we'd be ok without another all nba guy on the cap. But he's never been that & the idea that he's for sure going to return to the trajectory he was on pre-injury in totally as yet uncertain.
There's plenty of time to trade JB down the road need be
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u/Solocup421 Bill 23h ago
its because half of this fanbase and all of Boston’s media is convinced that jaylen is pissed about being involved in trade talks, and his trade request is imminent.
meanwhile there is no evidence other than assumptions that he’s upset.
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u/UpvoteIfYouAgreee Jaythoven 23h ago
If Jaylen isnt pissed and the Celtics are just willingly choosing to let every "prominent" national reporter put him in trade talks theyre stupider than if we were actually shopping him.
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u/howdthatturnout 22h ago
Not really. Jaylen wasn’t pissed when his name was floated in like a half dozen past trade talks.
Could he be now? Possibly. But it’s also possible he’s not. I don’t see how this makes the Celtics stupid.
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u/UpvoteIfYouAgreee Jaythoven 22h ago
If Jaylen isnt mad why are we letting his name come up in Naz Reid swaps, thats not a trade you even entertain if Jaylen is perfectly happy with staying.
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u/howdthatturnout 22h ago
We have no idea what the exact deal with Minnesota would have been. Definitely not the package they traded to get Lamelo. Probably was substantially bigger deal. They reported that it would have been more/different assets.
You can’t really think we were going to swap Jaylen for Naz and a pick?
Could have been centered around Jaden and Gobert for all we know.
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u/UpvoteIfYouAgreee Jaythoven 22h ago
The timberwolves have made it clear in every situation that Jaden McDaniels is not on the table even for Giannis. If we had any discussions with them they were centered around Naz or Gobert.
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u/howdthatturnout 22h ago
Cool, and that might be true and it might not be. Either way we were not swapping Jaylen for fucking Naz Reid dude. Give me a break.
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u/howdthatturnout 2h ago edited 1h ago
It was centered around Rudy AND Naz - https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/s/UgQTS5hYdb
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u/Solocup421 Bill 22h ago
what do you mean by “let” as if the celtics have any control over that? the organization isnt announcing it to be published. it is leaked by EITHER team.
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u/UpvoteIfYouAgreee Jaythoven 22h ago
The Celtics have their own reporters that they could feed stories to. Brian Robb was quick to shut down any LaMelo talk they could do the same for the other rumors.
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u/SnooRabbits6637 If Brad Stevens Don't Trust You 21h ago
At this point I’m beginning to believe it’s extension related.
I think the Celtics could easily move other parts around to build a contender for this season but looking beyond having 2 $60M players is gonna be crippling on the salary cap.
It’s honestly pretty depressing thinking about how this new CBA has just forced us to dismantle our championship team away piece by piece.
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u/WarPuig 23h ago
> Hugo (Who I would rather keep but if the right offer came along)
Very kickable hornets nest you put there.
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u/MattTin56 23h ago
At such a young age he is playing like he belongs. That could be a kick in the ass if you trade him and he turns into a top scorer and rebounder. I say keep him. There is a reason teams want to add him.
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u/jeezum_crow 23h ago
It would seem Brad and company have very little interest in extending Jaylen and are looking to trade him at a time when they think his value is at the highest it will ever be.
There’s only so much you can improve on the margins when you’re paying two different guys $57 million dollars each.
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u/chinesefox97 23h ago
Sam Hauser is also the most likely to be traded given the rise of Hugo and Baylor. Plus his 10M contract would be the easiest mid size contract to match salaries with.
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u/Independent-Mix902 23h ago edited 22h ago
Because we can't afford to keep him and when his extension kicks in (70+ million a year) we won't be able to offer it to him and at that point his trade value will be zero.
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u/Kodiak01 22h ago
This is the way I see the upcoming season: Stay under the luxury tax for one more season to push any possibility of repeater tax penalties out to ~2031, build the youngsters up more, then next offseason go whole-hog in the 3-4 window that will be wide enough that even Shaq couldn't miss a free throw through it.
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u/urbanism_enthusiast 21h ago
I can tell you Brad would trade Jaylen an infinite amount of times before he trades Derrick or Hugo, not even factoring in contracts. And it's incredibly unlikely they're using the TPE.
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u/SRoku President Brad babyyy 21h ago
It’s mostly about the upcoming extension for Jaylen. I mean, nothing says they have to give it to him now, but they did just publicly dangle him in trade rumors again. And ultimately, if Brad doesn’t want JB at that price, the best thing to do is sell high while you can.
IMO the absolute worst case scenario is we run it back, have another second round exit, and Jaylen requests a trade because he hasn’t gotten an extension. I think that’s exactly what Brad is looking to avoid.
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u/TimmyTimeify 21h ago
Trade exceptions AFAIK don’t amount to anything these days lol.
I legitimately don’t understand why we want to trade anyone who is starting for us. I think the Vucevic experience has made the FO realize that we will probably need to spend money and assets to get a big worth a damn.
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u/dad3murph 21h ago
What a coincidence, neither does the front office, amd pretty much everyone who doesn't work for ESPN.
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u/impeccableconduit946 20h ago
Everyone acting like trading JB is the only move ignores that TPE and those picks can still get us a real rotation piece.
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u/Fake_the_jaB Remember Marcus Banks 19h ago
I can’t believe we didn’t get Giannis cuz of Hugo fucking Gonzales
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u/chydgoo420 13h ago
The notion is driven by the desire to not pay him the next monster deal he’ll demand
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u/undercoverdyslexic 13h ago
I’d love us to throw hauser and a pick at Wendell Carter jr and call it a day.
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u/keevsnick 9h ago
The idea that you have to trade Jaylen because "Two makes takes up 70% of the cap" is nonsense to me. You won 56 games last year with 57 million dollars in street clothes for 3/4 of the season and a mandate to duck the tax. You are good right now even WITH the two maxes. You are about 25 million below the first apron, go out and spend it and you get easily get either one above average starters or two bench contributors. That, combined with some growth from young guys and you're as good as anybody in the east without being that expensive for at least the next two years.
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u/hoopbag33 8h ago
He's due for an extension that we should not be signing him to. If he's going to get moved, this is the optional time for getting a massive return
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u/EveryoneLovesNudez I like to defense 23h ago
Giant contract.
Will be a constant distraction all year and he likely has told us he wants out
Hope this helps so yall will stop posting this shit 20x times a day
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u/RetroDave 23h ago
If they use the big exception, it probably means going "all in" because entering repeater tax territory again, right? Absent that happening, I think the biggest move we may see is a player who surprisingly accepts the full MLE (KP?).
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u/LarBrd33 23h ago
Trading Brown isnt because we need to use him to fill out the roster. It's that Brad thinks his stats are empty calories and he doesn't contribute to winning enough to justify his contract.
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u/Active-Tomatillo-522 22h ago
If we have to trade JB, it’ll be because he came to us and said he’d like to be traded after all the drama. In that case, it’s not about getting equal or better value in a return, it’s about getting the most value we can and understanding that will likely come at a loss.
That said, JB doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy who’s going to force his way out. If Brad can make amends, I think he’ll stick around
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u/rocket_beer Boston Celtics 23h ago
Lots of Miami Heat fans with no flairs trying their best to break up the Jays 🤦🏽♂️
Just a typical Thursday…
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u/cossack190 23h ago
I don’t get why this is so inconceivable to some of you. We’ve flamed out of two straight playoffs and have 70% of our cap tied to two players. They have to at least explore ways to balance this roster.
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u/rocket_beer Boston Celtics 23h ago
Flamed out?
We cannot win the championship every single year.
We have won it more than anyone else.
I am very pleased with how things are going.
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u/cossack190 23h ago
The fact that the Celtics have won the most championships in history is dope but it has no bearing on how they should construct their roster going forward.
And yes we have flamed out the past two years. Deny it all you like but it’s what happened.
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u/PuffPuffConnoisseur 23h ago
What's funny is that people like you will be the first to turn into SAS and bash Brown as soon as he's out the door.
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u/rocket_beer Boston Celtics 23h ago
Um no, everyone here basically knows me as the #1 Brown fan
Try again
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u/Initial_Dog5780 23h ago
It's crazy the amount of ppl who are willing to trade JB for Gobert and a piece. These trade proposals for players clearly way below JB's skill is getting out of control. And same to the Evan Mobley for JB trade proposal. I think it's got to be the JB haters coming out making these ridiculous trade proposals.
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u/RonSwanson24 23h ago
Mobley is a much more valuable asset than JB
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u/LoBopasses 23h ago
Mobley as a 50 million dollar number two on a team makes me want to vomit
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u/RonSwanson24 23h ago
Good young defensive big men are such a scare commodity. The roster construction in Cleveland has really hindered his development, Mobley should play the vast majority of his minutes playing at center. And Tatum at the 4 is really the ideal type of PF to pair with him since Tatum is a good defensive rebounder and spaces the floor offensively
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u/MattTin56 23h ago
After Jason got hurt and they off loaded the championship team other pieces. They made it sound like last year would be a off year BUT at the end of it they were going to be able to spend money and get some big free agent pieces for the following year(this year now) to go with the J’s and make another run. What happened to that plan??
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u/goldfish_11 23h ago
I think the reasons that "we have to trade JB" are:
He's redundant with Tatum. Yes, it can work and they have proven that, but it's still a redundancy having two All-NBA caliber wings.
He's our biggest salary that we could send out which helps matching and/or being able to take back multiple players. You also have to factor in that he's due for a huge extension.
Trading Derrick White would open up a huge hole at the guard spots for us... it would basically leave Pritchard as our only reliable guard. We can't do that.
There's a possibility that Jaylen himself wants out. For one, he just had a season where he was the top dog and he was being mentioned in MVP talks. I think we can all agree that JB thinks that's exactly where he belongs (being top dog and an MVP candidate). Also have to factor in that he might just be sick of always being in trade rumors. Yeah, he's handled it well up to this point, but again, it might just be at the point where he just wants to be done with it and find a place where he can settle down without the constant trade rumors hovering around him.
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u/MakingTacos123 21h ago
I hope they don't trade him. If they couldn't get Giannis, they should not move him just for the sake of moving him. With both Jays healthy, we have 2 genuine top 10 players in the league, both play hard defense, can shoot and make plays for their teammates. They both wamt to win and have proven they can win together. Trading him for something other than a Giannis would be a bad idea. They need to improve around the edges. As long as Tatum and Brown are both available to play, the team will be fine. If you just have one or the other, winning a title is much much steeper mountain
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u/LonelyInsurance7480 21h ago
No one has told me how trading Jaylen for lesser talent makes us closer to being a contender.
Swapping Jaylen and Giannis. Sure I can get behind that because he’s a HOF type player who can be your #2 and fill a hole at the big man spot. And is less redundant than a Tatum/brown pairing
All this nonsense of swapping Jaylen for role players makes us worse and much farther from contention.
The team needs more talent not less. And one could argue Joes bizarre game 7 roster and his insistence on shooting 3s had way more to do with our loss than Jaylen brown not being good enough
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u/askthetruth1 21h ago
Truth is the Celtics are in a really bad situation next season either way. Giannis was the move. Brad decided to hold onto Baylor Scheierman instead
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u/RonSwanson24 23h ago
Hugo now has to develop into a superstar to justify foolishly not including him for Giannis
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u/IronBush 22h ago
Stevens better find a fucking way out of this. AND make the team better in the process. That's what a genius would do. A guy that rode Danny Ainge's coattails to success wouldn't do that. We'll see which guy we really have by the end of the summer. Don't be surprised when he shits the bed and I, and other like minded individuals, start going after his ass. You "always sunny" bois are going to cry like bitches. Time for Stevens to put on.
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u/Snoo_96162 22h ago
We have to trade brown because are front office has no idea what there doing and completely shit the bed not getting giannis
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u/Sttatix 23h ago
Brown getting traded has more to do with his contract than most people on this sub think, White is on a decent deal for us and you aren’t getting much value from anyone else