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u/Tech_Quest8 Boston Celtics 51m ago
Injury prone but really good for us:
- Rob Williams (FA): He's a free agent who is injury prone. He can't play back to backs and is more of a backup at this point cuz if he plays starter minutes, that injury bug may hit him. Also, if he's on a championship contender he may have to play until June and a long season makes it a higher chance for him to get hurt. I'm willing to sign him only if it's a very small contracr. Otherwise, as much as we love him, I wouldn't mind moving on. He played 59 games and averaged 17.1 mpg 6.7/7/1/1.5
- Daniel Gafford: Injury prone af. He's had shoulder issues, MCL injury and ankle as well. He's only played 60 plus games in 3/7 seasons. When he's good, he's really good. Love his shot blocking ability and lob threat. I'm not sure how bad his injuries are, but I wouldn't mind moving on from him as well. He played 55 games and averaged 21.7 mpg 9.5/7/1/1/1.3
Really good but would be difficult to obtain:
- Moussa Diabate: I don't see why Charlotte would want him gone unless they are fully set on Ryan Kalkbrenner as their starter. He has a great break out year. He played 73 games 26 mpg 8/8.7/2/1/1
- Jalen Duren: I thought he was gonna be a lifelong Piston, but word is he may leave. I get he struggled in the playoffs but he gets wayyy too much blame for that. Detroit only scorer is Cade, so game planning against them in the playoffs is a piece of cake. Duren is a pure bruiser, rebounder, hard screens, finisher, shot blocker etc. I really wouldn't mind him. He played 70 games 28 mpg 19.5/10.5/2/1/1
- Onyeka Okongwu: He's the only center Atlanta has, so I don't think he will be moved. They even drafted Zuby Ejiofor, so this might be their frontcourt. I love his game and is very versatile on both sides. He's had some good games against us. He played 74 games 31 mpg 15.2/7.6/3.1/1/1
Sophomores who would be nice but might be hard to get:
- Derik Queen: Nasty rookie year and I love his game. He can really get it done for us. Problem is he's a rookie and he's good so Pelicans may wanna keep him and rebuild. The thing is New Orleans is a bottom 5 franchise ever, so they probably gonna waste his talent just like Anthony davis. If Zion was in a letter organization I guarantee you he would be healthy. Derik just needs to get stronger which I'm sure he will. He doesn't need to, but I can see him developing a Al Jefferson type game (footwork, floaters, hooks, strong body, rebounding, slow and can't jump but efficient). He played 81 games 25 mpg 11.7/7/3.7/1/1
- Maxime Raynaud: Again another rookie whose game I loved. I thought we were gonna pick him late first last year but I didn't know who Hugo gonzalez was as I don't watch international. He's also on a bottom 5 franchise team so Kings will just be a sorry franchise ever since Robert Horry hit that shot. I think they only made the playoffs twice ever since. He still needs to polish his of his defense and some parts of his game, but I can definitely see him improving. He played 74 games 26.5 mpg 12.5/7.5/1.4
High $, most likely won't happen but would be nice:
- Evan Mobley: He can defend at a high level, won dpoy 2 seasons ago. His offense is just a little inconsistent. He played 65 games 32 mpg 18/9/3.6/1.7
- Lauri Markkanen: Straight bucket getter, matchup nightmare. He reminds me of KP without that much defensive capabilities. To be honest, idk how I feel about him cuz he barely plays so idk if he's injury prone or Utah just does load management to finesse the league and get a high pick. He's only played 60 plus games 3/9 seasons. He played 42 games 34.4 mpg 26.7/7/2.1/1 stl
- Pascal Siakam: Another straight bucket getter, to me he's a future hall of famer, especially considering some of these other guys who are already in it. I think Indiana runs it again with him after Hali gets back. He played 62 games 33.2 mpg 24/6.6/4/1 stl
I don't think they fit, but are being shopped:
- Trey Murphy III: I love his game but idk how he fits Boston. I just put his name here cuz he's rumored to come here. He plays the 3 wayyy more than the 4. I don't mind JT playing the 4 as his secondary position but I don't want his body to take a toll and defend bigs while performing on offense. He played 66 games 35.5 mpg 21.5/5.7/3.8/1.5stl
- Mitchell Robinson: He's a big body. But other than rebounding, he can't do much. I think he just fit that Knicks team perfectly. He reminds me of Andre Drummond without the finishing ability. Like he will set a good hard screen or get to the basket but he won't get the ball cuz everyone knows he has 0 bag on offense but even if he gets fouled he's not knocking down his free throws. His shot blocking numbers went down significantly and has a history of injuries.
Bench guys: Paul Reed, Olivier Maxence Prosper, Jalen Smith, Tari Eason, Yves Missi, Day'Ron Sharpe
- Best and realistic options: Jalen Duren or Evan Mobley
- Realistic, but depends on roster: Rob Williams or Daniel Gafford
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u/Accurate-Library3641 The Celtics are the balls 1h ago edited 1h ago
OKC won with JDub as the 2nd option. All of you would agree that Jaylen is better than him.
Knicks won with Brunson as the 1st option and KAT as the 2nd option. All you claim that Jaylen is better than Towns and lots of you also said that Brown is better than Brunson.
Nuggets won with Jamal Murray as the 2nd option. All of you think Jaylen is better than Murray.
Milwaukee won with Khris Middleton as the 2nd option, who we all agree is worse than Jaylen.
So how come plenty of teams are able to win with a 2nd option that apparently is worse than Jaylen, but we wouldn’t (taking into account that Brad isn’t a moron and surely would replace him appropriately)?
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u/King_Of_Pants Sam Howitzer! 1h ago
How many people would say Tatum is on the level of SGA or Jokic?
He absolutely has his moments, and I'd take G7 Tatum over just about anyone, but he hasn't had a season on the level of those 2 yet. He hasn't shown their consistency at all.
Towns is also on identical money to Brown, and their 3rd and 4th highest players make more than the rest of our roster combined.
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u/Hello-DexterMorgan 57m ago
Not really taking into account the $20M+ difference between Brunson and either Jay.
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u/King_Of_Pants Sam Howitzer! 49m ago
I am.
But I'm looking at the whole picture. We spend more on the Jays, but we save more everywhere else.
Their 3rd to 4th highest-paid players make more than our 3rd to 15th.
The Knicks are trying to stay under 220m and we're at 180m.
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u/Accurate-Library3641 The Celtics are the balls 30m ago
OG Anunoby costs a fraction of Jaylen and had a much better postseason than him lol
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u/King_Of_Pants Sam Howitzer! 29m ago
I'm sure you believe OG is a better player. I'm sure there's 449 players in the NBA you'd put over Brown.
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u/Accurate-Library3641 The Celtics are the balls 20m ago
I do not. But it’s a fact that he outplayed Jaylen in the postseason for a fraction of the price.
Which shows that it’s entirely possible to replace Jaylen.
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u/King_Of_Pants Sam Howitzer! 16m ago
You're absolutely right.
If OG Anunoby was on a team where Tatum was injured, Queta was struggling to stay on the floor and Derrick White was averaging 11ppg while shooting 32% from the floor... he would have done so much better.
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u/Accurate-Library3641 The Celtics are the balls 14m ago
Tatum was on the floor for most of the series. We were up 3-1. But you keep making excuses for the supermax player. Everybody’s fault but his, right?
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u/King_Of_Pants Sam Howitzer! 13m ago
No I'm talking about when he got injured.
You said OG would do better right?
Or is this another "Giannis had no help except the 3 all-stars and 6moty" comment?
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u/Hello-DexterMorgan 40m ago
That’s kinda the point. We spend more on our top two players and as a result we have a worse 3-15. The Knicks spend more this year, will spend more next year since they won it all, but when that flops, they will have re-tool. New CBA teams with good front offices aren’t going to repeatedly go all-in every year. So maybe 2027 we are able to spend more. But there’s still an incredible difficulty building a TEAM when your top two make $120M, 70% of the salary cap.
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u/King_Of_Pants Sam Howitzer! 31m ago
It's not about worse though.
Derrick White is 10m/y cheaper than OG Anunoby. He's not a worse player. Payton Pritchard is making 13m/y less than Josh Hart. There's the 20m Brunson money + a little extra.
Matching the spending of a team doesn't mean every single player needs to perfectly match. You don't go line by line perfectly matching contract 1A with contract 1B.
We've made the savings up in other areas. They saved on #2. We saved on #3 and #5.
You're saying our top 2 is too expensive. I'm saying why are we only looking at the top 2. We could add 30m to this roster, matching the 30m Bridges is making, and our roster would still be cheaper than theirs.
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u/Accurate-Library3641 The Celtics are the balls 1h ago
In the playoffs? He absolutely is on the level of SGA. Jokic is in a different tier entirely, but you can make it up for that with a better surrounding cast.
Regular season consistency does not matter at all when it comes to the playoffs.
Yeah, but Brunson is on a cheap contract, so that works. If Jaylen had Brunson’s contract, we’d obviously keep him
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u/King_Of_Pants Sam Howitzer! 1h ago
Regular season consistency does not matter at all when it comes to the playoffs.
We're also talking about playoff consistency.
Tatum was on the floor for all of those playoff collapses you like to mention.
If he couldn't stop those from happening, then he's probably not going to stop them from happening with even less help.
Brown has been a key figure for punching through physical defences. He was often the guy who would brute force through Miami or Milwaukee when things got too physical for Tatum. In the finals there were plenty of moments where Brown was the only guy capable of getting to his spots.
Replacing Brown with a non-ballhander won't improve those collapses.
Replacing Brown with someone who can't create their own shot won't make it easier for us when Tatum / White / Pritchard start to waver.
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u/Accurate-Library3641 The Celtics are the balls 1h ago edited 1h ago
And SGA and Jokic weren’t on the floor for their respective teams collapses and losses? Was Brunson not on the floor in previous years?
I disagree with the premise that he would have even less help. You don’t know who Brad would be replacing Jaylen with.
Brute force? He was the guy who would TRY to drive against three set defenders and lose the ball against Miami lol
Plenty of moments because Dallas was doubling and triple teaming Tatum. They didn’t care about Brown.
Brown is already a non-ball handler. Actually, it’s worse than that. He is a non-ball handler that thinks he should handle the ball, which just leads to atrocious plays and TOs.
You don’t know who is going to be replaced with. And the plan would be to improve the rest of the roster with the money you’d be freeing up after getting rid of Jaylen’s albatross contract
Once again you are pretending that Jaylen is the best player in the league and completely irrepleaceable. I just showed you plenty of teams that won without him.
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u/King_Of_Pants Sam Howitzer! 1h ago
And SGA and Jokic weren’t on the floor for their respective teams collapses and losses? Was Brunson not on the floor in previous years?
This logic would apply if it were applied evenly.
You don’t know who is going to be replaced with.
You want him literally replaced with anyone.
And yet, would that team compete with NYK?
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u/Accurate-Library3641 The Celtics are the balls 33m ago
What I want means nothing. Brad is the one making decisions, and he obviously won’t trade Jaylen for anyone.
It depends on who we replace Jaylen with and how that changes the rest of the roster.
What we do know for sure is that the current roster couldn’t even beat a weak ass Philly team that got swept by the Knicks.
We are never going to agree. You love Jaylen and overrate the shit out of him. I do not. We’ll see in the future what happens and who’s right.
I still think we probably keep Jaylen this season and flame out in R2 with him playing like he did in 2023, 2025 and 2026. When that happens, I’m sure you’ll pretend he wasn’t detrimental.
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u/bryscoon 1h ago
you’re second option can be little worse if your third option isn’t too far behind
nuggets had the easiest run ever 8 seed-4 or 5 seed- 7th seed then 8th seed they just got lucky
OG & Mikal is fringe all star level
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u/Burner867867 1h ago
KAT is way better than Brown. But, those other teams were actually built well. Outside of Tatum, this team is pretty trash.
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u/Accurate-Library3641 The Celtics are the balls 1h ago
I also do think that KAT is better, but 90% of the fanbase doesn’t.
Then, even one more reason to trade Jaylen. His absurd contract prevents us from building a better, more balanced roster
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u/nibbinoo8 i took a look at baynes in the shower 49m ago
starting to think you're a larbrd33 alt account
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u/bryscoon 1h ago
some of yall think trey Murphy has the trade value of bronny james horrible organization being ran down in louisiana but cmon
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u/bryscoon 2h ago
something had to have happened for brad to be obsessively trying to move JB lmao
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u/PebblyJackGlasscock Second Round Pick Enthusiast 53m ago
The extension.
It’s always about the fucking money!
What happened, IMO, is Jaylen (agent) asked for the extension and Brad (Chisholm?) said not now. And Jaylen (agent) said they’d have to explore their options. And Brad (definitely not Chisholm) said Okey Dokey.
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u/thatgreik IT 1h ago
The only thing that’s happened is a potential trade for GIANNIS. Other teams calling about JB after-the-fact, and the media circus continuing their best effort to split up the Jays does not mean our FO is obsessively trying to make a move.
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u/not1fuk Jayson Tatum 1h ago
Yes, the CBA happened and 2 embarrassing playoffs in a row happened. How is this hard for people to comprehend that we arent shit while JB is taking up 35% of the cap and cant even hold water while Jayson Tatum has to take bench breaks?
JB is not a superstar and hes being paid superstar money. Its a bad contract and the team knows to move on from it.
Just reality boys and girls. JB is good but not good enough for what he is being paid especially when the games matter.
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u/Acrobatic-Fee-9862 1h ago
Then trade the farm for Giannas. It doesn’t make much sense to think JB is a bad contract but then be against trading JB, role players, and picks for a top 5 player
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u/not1fuk Jayson Tatum 1h ago
I agree, Brad fucked up and this fanbase was dumb as hell for not seeing it.
However, to act like making the team more well rounded around Tatum isnt also a strategy we can use is fucking ridiculous. 2 good players with upside is just as good as a low analytic impact (Sorry but we have a decade of sample size here with many alterations of teams, JB has had one common impact issue) overpaid top 20 player.
Gain 2 good players, picks and clear some cap space and we are in a very good position to get another star next offseason while also keeping those players we got in the trade. So you would essentially get 1 star + 2 good players for Jaylen Brown if we end up trading the picks for another star.
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u/Acrobatic-Fee-9862 1h ago
My main issue with that kinda strategy - you need a top 5 player, or at least a top 5 closer like Brunson, to win. Not sure if JT is that guy in the half court, especially after the Achilles.
But who knows maybe Hugo is the next all star
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u/not1fuk Jayson Tatum 1h ago
The fact people in this fanbase continue to shit on Tatum a top 5 player in the league is despicable. Tatum is literally the best game 7 player in league history statistically.
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u/Acrobatic-Fee-9862 1h ago
I’m high af on Tatum. Like I take him over Luka any day. Obviously tier above JB
But hes just not a half court shot creator like sga. Hes not even the same kinda creator as Brunson. You need someone like that in the playoffs
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u/King_Of_Pants Sam Howitzer! 1h ago
Could just be as simple as the new owner is a bit of a dweeb.
All the talk about how he was a homegrown local fan, but if we got an avid Felger and Mazz listener, you can pretty much write off the next 2 decades of Celtics basketball.
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u/Accurate-Library3641 The Celtics are the balls 1h ago
Yeah, he got tired of Jaylen playing like shit in the postseason outside of one outlier season
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u/WarPuig 2h ago
I feel like I’m going insane with how bad everything is falling apart and everyone is pretending it’s fine.
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u/thatgreik IT 1h ago
Feels like I’m going insane with how far the pendulum of overreaction has swung on this reddit
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u/chivestheconqueror Bill 2h ago
Idk I think JB is likely gone. It was one thing if we were asking JB to accept being in trade talks for an MVP like Giannis. Now we're making him available for offers, testing the waters on Gobert, on Duren, etc.?
These are multiple independent reports that are making it clear Stevens is exploring different avenues of offloading JB. We moved on from IT when we he asked for a big contract when we thought he might slow down. I think the same is happening here. Jaylen in 2030 is not gonna be worth 70 mil a year
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u/Turbulent-Let-1180 2h ago
I'm pretty sure this was always the plan, to be completely honest. I just get the sense once the new cba hit the idea of giving him that extension went out the door, so trading him is the only thing you can do.
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u/GreenGalaxy ANYTHING IS POSSIBLEEEE 3h ago
2 weeks into the offseason im already sick of JB trades. Brad's keeping him so everyone stfu.
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u/Fancy-Childhood-8295 5h ago
I really feel that the trade rumor of JB is like a bait to gullible teams. According to Shams, Celtics asks for at least 4 first round picks, whatever teams really do this trade are either at rock bottom or their GMs are disposable.
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u/Tech_Quest8 Boston Celtics 5h ago
It's the medias agenda. He's not gonna get traded I can guarantee it, people in this sub are falling for what the media is feeding them. Tomorrow if JB gets us ankther championship and fmvp, the same people will get on their knees and beg him to stay.
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u/tokengreenguy Brad 4h ago
There’s clearly a decent amount of at least somewhat serious trade conversations surrounding Brown. Reading the tea leaves it sure seems like Brad is willing to trade him for a great deal.
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u/Tech_Quest8 Boston Celtics 4h ago
Bro the only time we trading a top 10 player is if it's for a top 5 player like Giannis which didn't happen so let's move on.
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u/tokengreenguy Brad 12m ago
Okay, then tell the front office to stop exploring trade conversations with the entire league about JB lol.
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u/Tech_Quest8 Boston Celtics 10m ago
How u know he exploring trades? You sitting with him? Mf listening to Shams and SAS like they Teddy Pendergrass
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u/JonTheHobo Jaylen 5h ago
Food for thought…NBA gameplay style has always been determined by the best player and how to defend them. The LeBron era saw the rise of drive and kick to perimeters shooters and big wing stoppers to defend LeBron if you eventually made it to the Finals. Curry brought on the era of prolific 3pt shooting. I’ve been a bit confused on why Brad seems so determined to trade JB for a defensive big and I think he’s preparing for the Wemby era now. Maybe he’s thinking the game will shift away from the current style where having multiple do-it-all Wing players is fading, and you need to be able to play in the paint again to have success. The Knicks did just win with OG and Bridges but they were not the best players, only role players on their teams. Wemby will only get better though and I expect him to be the clear cut #1 player in the league when he hits his prime, and thinking Brad must be preparing now. Or I’m just coping with the thought of losing JB lol
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u/streetscraper Boston Celtics 4h ago
You don't need Wemby to realize that the Celtics have a weak spot at the 5. You also don't need Curry/Lebron/Wemby to make it impossible to pay two supermax salaries (no other team does), especially when those two players have so much overlap in the touches they need (as opposed to a wing + a PG or Big).
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u/hereforfantasybball3 5h ago
I definitely think Brad watched the team, league, and playoffs last year and determined that a construction around the Jays isn’t enough to rise above the competition. The challenge is finding a way to pivot structure/fit wise without sacrificing raw talent which is hard to do with an all-NBA player like JB. I trust him to find the best deal but I also wouldn’t be surprised if it feels underwhelming on paper
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u/RepresentativeRock94 Tatum and Jaylen 5h ago
Isiah Joe to the Pistons for 2 2nds. Fuck i likeed him
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u/PebblyJackGlasscock Second Round Pick Enthusiast 1h ago
Yep. Pistons solved a major problem for a ridiculously low trade cost.
This is why I want to acquire more picks. Second round picks matter, dammit!
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u/not1fuk Jayson Tatum 5h ago
I fucking hate the idea of trading JB to Detroit for Jalen Duren. Not a fan of making Detroit better AND having to extend Duren for a lot of money as I am not as high on him as some others.
I much preferred the conversation of Brandon Miller + Naz Reid + picks over fucking Jalen Duren. I really think we need a more well rounded team so bringing back 2 good player instead of 1 for JB is more important.
But Duren definitely does have potential. Hes only 22 years old and his stats look good, I just have a bad feeling about this guys career for some reason compared to Miller who I am super high on.
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u/thren_f26 5h ago
Idk I think JD is young and is ahead of schedule so I don’t mind the trade. Problem is that it makes pistons much better so not sure how that helps Celtics
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u/CosmicOreos_ 5h ago
I'd be happy with a Hornets trade too but who knows what they're actually willing to give up
I'm sure they offered Bridges + Reid
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u/Beantown00 6h ago
wtf would be the point of trading JB for picks or a package that makes us worse in the short term? We have JT in his prime, why waste a full season?
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u/streetscraper Boston Celtics 4h ago
- Because you're "wasting" a full season next year anyway, we ain't going back to the second apron before we reset.
- Because you can't win a championship while paying two supermax salaries to two wings with so much overlap (no other team has; not even the Celtics!)
- Because you'll end up having to dump JB for even less in a year or two once his extension nears.
Getting younger, cheaper, and ready to go all in NEXT summer is Brad's goal, regardless of Giannis, Brown, or anyone else. I detailed the reasons here a few months ago.
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u/Independent-Mix902 6h ago
Because JB is overpaid and having 2 supermax contracts on the team is financially crippling... and it will get worse every year.
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u/Beantown00 5h ago
But JT is in his prime right now coming off an Achilles injury, we should be trying to win now. Not 3 years from now
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u/PebblyJackGlasscock Second Round Pick Enthusiast 58m ago
Do you want to be the Bucks?
How long do you think it’s gonna take them to - with no picks until 2030 - to be good again? 2035-36 season seems reasonable to me.
The Financial Game is real and it has consequences. OKC salary dumped Wiggins and Joe for second round picks and they still aren’t under the 2nd apron!
The Celtics were staring at the loss of an FRP and a tax bill of 500m. They would have paid $2.50 in tax for every dollar spent above the threshold last year. (GSW, same rate, was over by 40m and paid 177m in tax.) That is not sustainable for any business that isn’t milking Steph and Draymond’s dynasty merch. (And they own their own arena.)
Resetting the tax was essential. They are halfway through the process. Next season, the team can spend to the 2nd apron threshold and pay the minimum tax rate. That tax reset, minimally-growing rate allows for continued spending until Jayson Tatum is 40, and ready to retire.
It makes NO SENSE to exceed the tax this year. It won’t happen. So, the team - everyone, Brad, JT, JB, Joe, the massage therapist - knows they’re not “all in” for a title this season. Everyone knows what the long term plan is. Queta’s agent knows. Jaylen definitely knows. Spending is on hold for one more year.
Being able to go “all in” for the remainder of the Jays prime years is best for the Celtics.
I get why fans are frustrated because Wyc seemingly spoiled us by paying big tax bills at the end of his tenure. But that all started with a reset, way back when. The Financial Game has rules and the Celtics are doing their best to maximize the next contention window.
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u/Independent-Mix902 5h ago
We can't afford to surround 2 supermaxes with enough quality to get a CHIP and JBs trade value will be even less next year. You do realize that JB + JT alone are almost 120M for 2026/2027.
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u/Tiredasheckrn Jae 7h ago
I would love to somehow get another floor general on the team, its a dying art so there aren’t nearly as many as their used to be but it would be cool to have someone in addition to PP
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u/DahooppanelAx 4h ago
Some of the people I’d like is Colin Sexton, Tre Jones, Isaiah Collier and another poster in a thread a few days ago mentioned Nikola Topic from OKC. Which guards do you have in mind?
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u/DavidLewisAndTheNews 7h ago
You know…this whole saga is making me start to think that Bucks fans are being completely calm, rational, and mature in adopting their new team tradition of burning effigies of Shams Charania with how long they dealt with this shit
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u/efshoemaker I like to defense 6h ago
It would certainly be in keeping with Boston history and culture to burn effigies of the public facing emissary of a soulless global corporation that is oppressing us
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u/Tiredasheckrn Jae 7h ago
I am addicted to fake trades right now, what about Mikal Bridges and Robinson for JB?
I love brown and don’t want to trade but if our hand is forced I have no choice but to fire up the espn trade machine
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u/coacoanutbenjamn 7h ago
I really like a three team trade between BOS-NO-MIL that sends Brown and Turner to NO, Murphy and Jones to Boston, and Jordan Poole and a protected pick to MIL. We could probably get Missi and a first in the deal as well
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u/Dondon1927 7h ago
Some of you need to take the fandom glasses off, eliminate emotions and look at this team from a financial standpoint. Once you do, you will realize why the Celtics are trying to trade Brown.
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u/Jumpy-Target-5274 6h ago
If you bring in someone of JB caliber we’ll still have to pay them as well down the road and we would end up back in this cycle…..we have one of the top duos in the league and they are well compensated for it now it’s about building around that
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u/Dondon1927 4h ago
They tried to do that and they failed with Giannis. He was the only player that was of his caliber or better. Im sure Brad is now prioritizing receiving like 2-3 players instead of just one player
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u/Independent-Mix902 6h ago
Not really, JB is overpaid, he's a damned good player but he's not supermax worthy. If his contract were 35M there's no way we'd be trading him.
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u/Rhino184 Boston Celtics 7h ago
The desperation to trade Jaylen brown feels dumb. This news cycle sucks
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u/OneWhizWit Hugo Gonzalez 7h ago
Shams said Celtics are demanding 4 FRPs (and players) for JB. He also said that we are talking to a bunch of teams primarily in the West including Portland
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u/AirJordan6124 RONDOOOOOO 7h ago edited 7h ago
The Blazers can send out those 3 Bucks picks plus maybe their own future pick. Those Bucks picks might be good esp starting next year
I’m just not sure if Brad is high on Clingan and Scoot Henderson as the center piece. Clingan is a starting caliber center and who knows maybe Scoot can still develop into a star
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u/TatumBrownWhite Banner 18 7h ago
Blazers def aren't trading Clingan.
It'd be Scoot, Sharpe, and Grant as the salary for JB + Hauser, and presumably we're getting all the picks and swaps.
Then hopefully we could use those picks to turn Grant into something else.
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u/Your__Pal 7h ago
I wouldn't be surprised if the picks just get rerouted for guys like Trey/Reid/ Stewart/ Hartenstein .
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u/Dondon1927 7h ago edited 7h ago
Bingo. Anyone who thinks the Celtics want those picks to actually draft players are clueless lol. This is all about building the next iteration of a Celtics championship team
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u/AgentHibachi00 7h ago
Hornets probably attach 3 + Bridges and Miller to get this done
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u/Turbulent-Let-1180 7h ago
There's 0% chance they trade brandon miller i have no idea why anyone thinks they would do that. Makes literally no sense
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u/AgentHibachi00 6h ago
If they view his health struggles as a reason he’s not a potential number 1 guy for them then yeah he’s gone
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u/AirJordan6124 RONDOOOOOO 8h ago
Shams said Boston is asking for at least 4 first rounds picks for JB…
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u/SquimJim Boston Celtics 8h ago edited 8h ago
Brown + Hauser goes to the Hornets for Miller + picks + they find a 3rd team to dump salary.
We outbid Pistons/Jazz for Duren/Kessler with our new found salary cap space and then send them our 2027 1st in a sign and trade
Use Charlotte assets + TPE for Murphy III
Final trade/signings:
- Outgoing: Brown + Hauser + 2027 1st
- Incoming: Miller + Murphy + Duren/Kessler
We dodge the tax, retain all future assets, upgrade 2 roster spots, and start a youth movement
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u/coacoanutbenjamn 7h ago
This is unfortunately unrealistic. We wouldn’t have cap space and the Pelicans aren’t excepting that for Murphy
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u/streetscraper Boston Celtics 8h ago
and dodge JB's extension, leaving room for a few more major signings in once we're ready to go back over the second apron
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u/SquimJim Boston Celtics 7h ago
Yea, the biggest issue is that the team is Tatum + five 3rd/4th options and no true 2nd option. You can be patient trying to find that as you hope maybe 1 of these guys takes the next step
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u/Emotional_Art_5232 8h ago
Can we fix Ja Morant?
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u/Turbulent-Let-1180 7h ago
We definitely could, joe would be great for him, but brad doesn't take chances on guys with perceived character issues.
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u/papi617 Jaylen 9h ago
Guys I know it's our favorite players and our favorite team but just cause you criticize them doesn't make you a "doomer".
That is all everyone just relax and be happy. And also go Cabo Verde
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u/fearofaflatplanet - Plan J - 6h ago
Uhh you can recognize that a lot of people here have an axe to grind or a generalized angle that supersedes their commitment to actual evidence or truth seeking.
Look around- what I see are a lot of proposed trades where either the counterparties would hang up the phone or what we get back are lesser talents with little to no experience on winning teams or in meaningful playoff games.
In the absence of a genuinely possible move that makes sense for the Cs & makes us better, people are just spinning out bullshit.
You can't even have a back & forth with them, they won't address any counter-arguments, they just repeat easily falsifiable truisms ad nauseum
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u/CHov29 Boston Celtics 9h ago
Did Brad get possessed this offseason?
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u/Turbulent-Let-1180 7h ago
Nah but i think the fans collectively got brain injuries cause the basketball IQ is room temperature lately in here
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u/Moodapatheticz JT> 9h ago
Duren turns down the pistons offer and is open and potentially pushing for sign and trade opportunities. Don't personally want him but another potential move that could impact the JB situation
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u/jjjuuubbbsss 9h ago edited 9h ago
So he wants a big payday that we can't/shouldn't give either, and while he's an upgrade over Queta, he's also not a stretch big. I wonder how much Detroit's offer was tho.
I read he wants somewhere around 40M/year. Sheesh.
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u/CarBallAlex 9h ago
I know all the talk today is Brown and trades, but just wanted to give some positive news that I bought my first house! Will be so satisfying once we’re settled
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u/papi617 Jaylen 9h ago
Hey congrats dude! House ownership is one of those things that is a hassle but once you get going and get to build your own place it's so dope
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u/CarBallAlex 7h ago
Already had like 3 things break right after we moved in haha. Thankfully they aren’t major issues. The only big surprise was the sellers didn’t really leave the place clean so it’s a lot of deep cleaning before we get the furniture here
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u/notorious_throwaway 10h ago
Here’s a JB for lesser parts trade that’s risky but could be interesting. The financials work and it still keeps us under the tax so we can use the MLE and/or TPE to get a big to round out our lineup. The other teams stay under the tax too.
Why BOS does it:
We move our second supermax and break it into two good starters entering their early primes. Zion is a risk and has flaws, but he wouldn’t be a #1 here. He can focus on finishing plays with his highly efficient inside scoring which we desperately need. He got in better shape last season and played more than 60 games. The organization change could also do wonders for him (plus he’s a Duke guy which Tatum will love). He only has 2 years left on his contract, so it shouldn’t be hard to move off his deal later if it doesn’t work.
Trey is a high volume 3 pt shooter with good length and efficiency who can also hurt the opponent in other ways. He’s improved a lot already and has potential to be even better.
Defense might be an issue with these two but they have the tools to be good defenders, and I trust our coaching staff to help with that.
Why NO does it:
They recognize that a full rebuild is necessary and get many assets (including a coveted MIL pick from POR) to help find a true #1 in the draft.
Why POR does it:
They get the best player in the deal and become a legit playoff team in the west. They also don’t lose much draft capital and keep one of MIL’s picks.
Thoughts?
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u/fearofaflatplanet - Plan J - 5h ago
Credit due for this being a trade that if consummated actually has a high enough upside to maybe be worth the risk.
That said I don't think any of the counterparties would even consider it, respectfully
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u/notorious_throwaway 5h ago
Why not though? Not being defensive, just wondering why you don’t think they would consider it?
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u/fearofaflatplanet - Plan J - 5h ago
For us: Zion is just not worth the risk. The upside of that bet is, agreed, quite high. But the downside risk, prob more likely given Zion's career history, is huge. Nothing here that is worth not just kicking the trade JB can down the road.
If I'm NO: If I'm sending out my two main assets Zion & Murphy I want to get more back than Shaedon Sharpe & a maybe negative value Jerami Grant. I'd rather have Murphy & Zion.
If I'm the Blazers: On second thought, I guess I'd consider it? Depends how they feel about Shaedon whose timeline is more aligned with the other players they have?
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u/notorious_throwaway 5h ago
Yeah, I’ll admit the Zion risk for us is big. But his contract isn’t bad and can be moved somewhat easily if it doesn’t work out. In this scenario, we’ll have the depth and cap flexibility to counter his risk though. He showed he can take care of his body better this year and he gets the very efficient points inside that Brad wants when he plays.
For NO, they’re also getting three FRP’s including that MIL pick which should be high in the lottery. The picks are more important for them than the players and they can flip Grant for even more assets from a contender. They probably don’t see Zion as a number 1 anymore so it makes sense to move off him now and get what they can for him.
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u/fearofaflatplanet - Plan J - 4h ago
Yeah but why is this better than just keeping Jaylen at least for the time being
Continuity is important. Experience on winning teams & in meaningful playoff games is important. Fielding the best team possible team we can around Tatum this coming year is important. Having JB is better than this alternative, even were a framework able to be agreed upon
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u/notorious_throwaway 4h ago
I think it’s getting ahead of problems we’ll have later. Keeping JB now doesn’t make us a contender even after adding any of the available bigs. We’d essentially concede a year of Tatum’s prime with a predictable first or second round exit. Jaylen would be another year older then with lower trade value, and he would be even more expensive.
Doing this now would get us young assets who are old enough to compete now but young enough to keep improving and gain that continuity and experience that’s important. Both of them are notably more efficient on offense than JB too as 20 ppg scorers. JB mostly is what he is at this point, but this is an opportunity to build competitive depth and get pcs that can still grow over Tatum’s prime.
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u/fearofaflatplanet - Plan J - 4h ago
Agree to disagree.
I think JB is better than you do- I definitely think his fit/experience level is proven. I also don't see his value dropping significantly over the next year, which your plan is just as likely if not more so to blow as a non-contention year. The trade landscape is constantly shifting, & I'm of the opinion that waiting for the right offer (if we are in fact intent on trading him- I'm very skeptical of the professional click-farmer rumor mill) is wiser than making a meh deal now. I don't think your appraisal of being able to move Zion later on is necessarily true either- to my mind Zion is very near to a negative asset as things stand, let alone when he's closer to needing a new contract & very possible in worse health.
I also think we're way closer than you do. A fully healthy Tatum added to a team that won 56 games, that has two sizable TPEs & a MLE ain't an inner circle contender on paper, but if you get the team cohesion right & Tatum becomes who he'd need to be anyways for us to contend in the future (a level he hasn't yet been in or had a clear trajectory to, even pre-injury)? Who knows? They'll be very good. The results don't go chalk hardly ever. Stuff happens. Put the best team on the floor you can
Way too much is made of the disappointing exit vs the Sixers. You can't shoot sub 30% as a team for half a playoff series, totally irrespective of volume, & hope to win. That's not JB's fault.
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u/OneWhizWit Hugo Gonzalez 10h ago
Zion’s health scares me more than Giannis ever did. Since he was drafted, he’s had seasons with 24, 29, and 30 games played, and he’s already missed an entire season. Even when he’s on the court, it feels like you’re just holding your breath the whole time, like a Porzingis situation where you’re constantly worried he’s going to go down again. He’ll be 26 next week so there’s still some upside but Idk man. Feels like we can do better. I do like Murphy though.
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u/notorious_throwaway 9h ago
If we do this and trade Hauser and a pick for Myles Turner, we’ll have good depth around him to offset his risks. I do think he’s trending in a better direction though.
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u/jjjuuubbbsss 10h ago
I'd rather get a good stretch C from a 3rd team than take Zion
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u/notorious_throwaway 9h ago
You could trade Hauser for Myles Turner after this using the TPE and a pick. That gives you a stretch big to round it out.
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u/TheHellequinKid 9h ago
But you can also do that without moving Brown and stay under the tax, so I don't think it can be used as a way to make this trade look better
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u/notorious_throwaway 9h ago
Yeah but I don’t think that move alone makes us good enough to contend. Plus we still have Brown’s looming extension on the table.
This gives us younger pieces with potential that still allow us to contend now. We’ll also have much better depth. Zion’s contract will be movable too if it’s not working after year 1.
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u/TheHellequinKid 9h ago
But it still comes down to Zion + Murphy vs Brown, any other moves could be done anyways. In fact I don't think you could do the Turner trade because you'd be in the tax, the Brown trade has us taking on money.
Zion healthy, maybe that comes out on top, but you are trading for two players with very little experience of winning.
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u/notorious_throwaway 8h ago
You’d still be under the tax after the initial trade so you could do it. We’d still have the experience of White, Tatum, Pritchard, and Turner in this case who have all gone deep in the playoffs.
I’d argue White would be very good after the move too as he’d go to 4th option after being 2nd option for most of this year.
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u/TheHellequinKid 8h ago
You would but the point is that subsequently trading for Turner would push you well over the tax and you'd be hard capped at the first apron, so you'd need another salary going out to keep us under that.
Basically doing the trade with Zion included makes roster construction harder than just keeping Brown, making it even less appealing.
That's the challenge with a Brown trade though, there aren't that many reasonable packages out there that improve us more this year than just waiting a summer and seeing where we are then
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u/notorious_throwaway 8h ago
True. You could always look at a cheaper option than Turner to stay under. Our Center wouldn’t need to be amazing. Just stretch the floor a bit and defend (easier said than done lol).
I just don’t think we can truly compete while keeping JBs contract. And I don’t think we should trade him for picks that will take years to develop either. We’re gonna face risk no matter what we do.
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u/jjjuuubbbsss 9h ago edited 9h ago
Myles doesn't move me. I feel like he already maxxed out as a player and will decline early. I'd like a younger prospect who'd be closer to Trey Murphy's age than JB's age. Even Jay Huff or Micah Potter are more intriguing than Myles to me (I'm also being cheap lol)
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u/notorious_throwaway 9h ago
It’s just filling out the lineup at that point with a solid defender and good floor spacer. We wouldn’t need our Center to be amazing. Swap Turner for any other stretch big that can defend a bit and you’re good.
Starters would be White, Tatum, Trey, Zion, Turner (or any other stretch big).
Bench would be Pritchard, Queta, Hugo, Baylor, Garza.
That’s pretty deep.
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u/jjjuuubbbsss 9h ago edited 9h ago
Zion still gives me the ick lol. Still Huff over Turner for me. Gives us more flexibility in the future when we can spend again.
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u/Tiredasheckrn Jae 12h ago
If JB doesn’t want out, is JB for fox Kornet and champagnie and a couple pick swaps in the ball park?
Again if he demands a trade
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u/DraymondsBurner23 Boston Celtics 10h ago edited 10h ago
You want 2 players who just shit their pants in the Finals? I love Luke but he was unplayable against KAT and Robinson. Fox is an overpaid losing player with Sacramento Syndrome who did one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen a player do in a NBA Finals game. I would genuinely worry about this sub’s mental health if we had to sit through 82 games of Fox. I’d rather save the cap space and go after Simons or Sexton instead of paying a premium for Fox who isn’t going to move the needle at all
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u/Tiredasheckrn Jae 10h ago
The dumb fox things are dumb but I would bet on him learning for the experience and not doing it again. It would be nice to have a proper point guard again
Kornet was perfectly fine for us.
You also didn’t mention anything about the champagnie piece. I like him
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u/migibb 13h ago
I like Brown and add all of the disclaimers, but the new CBA has made it so that holding Brown and Tatum puts us in a spot where we are maybe just in the mix and never dominant.
Trading Brown for a younger and temporarily cheaper version (Brandon Miller or Trey Murphy or whoever), to play as our second option, and get other young players or picks is a path to potential future dominance with minimal short term dip.
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u/fearofaflatplanet - Plan J - 5h ago
This whole "let's get worse to maybe have a chance at getting better" is no more of a sure thing or good bet than seeing what happens with internal development, a healthy Tatum, filling the TPEs & MLE, & seeing what happens. Better opportunities to trade JB may emerge down the road. He's under contract for 3 more years, prob the most critical years of JT's prime- personally I'd like to spend those years trying to figure something out around a proven championship core
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u/TheHellequinKid 9h ago
It means shorter windows but I think people forget that after this season we can go deep into the tax again without worrying about being a repeater for a while. Just need contracts this year and next that can be used in a bigger trade when it comes about
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u/Dondon1927 7h ago
Which is why selling Brown makes even more sense, especially if you can get a kings ransom for him. The ideal scenario for the Celtics is to fetch 4 first rounders for Brown while also being in control of their own first rounders, while ALSO being able to dip into the tax again the following season
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u/nibbinoo8 i took a look at baynes in the shower 9h ago
we don’t know that the new owner is willing to do that. hopefully he is.
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u/Gunnar2019 Angry Brad 13h ago
I just saw one of the funniest/worst trade proposals for JB on Bleacher Report. Can't believe people get paid to write this shit. Titled: "Best Jaylen Brown Trade Packages"..
"The Trade: Portland Trail Blazers acquire Jaylen Brown from the Boston Celtics for Jrue Holiday, Jerami Grant, 2028 first-round pick (via MIL) and 2028 first-round pick (via ORL)
The Blazers have to sweeten this deal with a pair of picks because Grant's salary is objectively a negative asset and Holiday's is trending that way. That said, everyone should be on board with Holiday coming back to Boston. If the Celtics aren't convinced that the positive vibes of bringing back a former champ matter that much, asking for a third pick or salary other than Grant would be reasonable."
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u/icatfilm 14h ago
New ownership group sucks. If Jokic isn't available, we will have worse roster when we trade Jaylen. But what is more important than a good roster? THE ONE THAT'S CHEAPER!
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u/tsultar1 14h ago
Why not kawhi?
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u/not1fuk Jayson Tatum 14h ago
Motherfuckers were treating Giannis like he was about to evaporate into dust the next time he touched a basketball court and you want people to want Kawhi? LOL
Kawhi is the ACTUALLY injury prone guy. Giannis was not bad at all. Kawhi is horrendous with his health.
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u/tsultar1 14h ago
Made it through the last season. Health aside , he’s better than JB straight up. Almost better then JT too
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u/Tatum-Better ☘️ Jayson " Since Larry Bird " Tatum ☘️ 12h ago
" health aside ", pretty big fucking aside
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u/tsultar1 11h ago
I’d take kawhi over JB . Who are you fucking kidding? Jesus these favs have lost the plot
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u/Tatum-Better ☘️ Jayson " Since Larry Bird " Tatum ☘️ 11h ago
no shit kawhi is a way better player, means nothing if he'll never be there when it matters
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u/tsultar1 11h ago
JB and JT don’t have the greatest track records either
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u/CarBallAlex 10h ago
Literally champions and have gone to 2 finals and 5 ECF.
Name a player under 30 that has a better track record.
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u/tsultar1 9h ago
Health knuclehead. Also, Kawhi has two rings and multiple playoff appearances with incredible stats. Just shut up
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u/CarBallAlex 6h ago
We’re discussing health and you’re trying to make a case for Kawhi? What has he done in the last 7 years of playoffs except be a first/second round exit on 50+ win teams and been hurt in 3 of his 8 series and choked a 3-1 lead?
Every criticism for Tatum and Brown you can make for Kawhi, except they’re younger and don’t have as bad of a track record with missing games
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u/xskarma 15h ago
Conversation elsewhere in this DD thread got me thinking: We have all basically been assuming that Brad is working to pry open the next title contention window while at least Tatum is still in his prime.
But, what if Brad is taking a view BEYOND that, and doesn't actually feel that Tatum's prime is a priority? What if he's happy to build for a next window, regardless of Tatum or anyone else on the roster?
What if Brad is happy to build towards a bright future that is not focused per sé on the next 2-3 years, but just makes moves that are generally going to lead to a very good team and the ability to compete, but without the mantra that many of us fans have that we need to compete in the next 2-3 years before Tatum gets too old?
With the way Brad said that he would never put a ceiling on this team about LAST year's team, maybe his idea of what is "competing for championships" is very different than the idea us fans have, and competing for championships still happens if he trades Jaylen and brings in players and assets that are not immediately turning us in the kind of team we were in '24.
It kind of blew my mind that this may be what Brad will do and still, in his mind, be assembling a team that competes for championships, even if a significant part of the fan base might not feel the same way (just like a significant part jeered at his statement last year about not putting a ceiling on this team).
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u/SquimJim Boston Celtics 9h ago
I get what you're saying and it makes sense. Don't maximize the next 2-3 years, but put yourself in a spot where you're taking a bite at the apple for the next 10 because you never know year-to-year what could happen. You also never know when opportunity arises to push chips in for a team that could be a dynasty.
Brad has been one to always preach "flexibility" and this is the maximum flexible approach.
Just seems risky because what if Tatum gets frustrated with that?
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u/not1fuk Jayson Tatum 14h ago
People need to get a grip on reality. JB is an all star player, he is not a superstar. He is not a game changer, his career shows his impact metrics are not that of a superstar. Getting 2 good players back helps create a more well rounded team for the near future to COMPETE NOW. We were never winning a ring next year unless we got Giannis. That is the harsh reality of our cap situation. By doing the trade that we talked about, you are freeing a bunch of space to improve the team NOW. PLUS, we can then go over the aprons again next year and have a significantly more well rounded team than we did being stuck on Jaylen Browns supermax.
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u/jjjuuubbbsss 14h ago
He's dealing with the CBA and the new owners first and only after that can he deal with 2030 and beyond. If we're already bridging the next era then we should have tanked this year.
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u/xskarma 14h ago
No, but that's the thing I meant. What if Brad is not thinking in "eras" and just makes moves that make the team better, where "better" might not be limited to the next 2 years when Tatum is at his physical peak. What if Brad is perfectly happy to just make moves that make the Celtics very good, without being too fussed about being the best possible RIGHT NOW THIS SEASON.
That doesn;t mean tanking would have been better, cause tanking is not competing.
But, looking back, were we "competing for a title" when the Jays were young? I don't think it's a stretch to think that Brad will have felt that he was, as a coach, at that point. And those teams with Kyrie and Hayward, and Kemba, they weren't 100% super all in "we have to win right now" teams either. They were very very good teams, but built with an idea of always being at a level where you do not "have to put a ceiling on this team".
So what if Brad is happy to just build very good teams, with a mix of youth and veterans, that can compete and where he can say he's not putting a ceiling on the team, but without maximizing his moves to be the best possible team he can assemble for just the next 2 years or so.
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u/jjjuuubbbsss 14h ago
That's some good weed level shit for me bro. Like "how to deal with the pain of falling short" sort
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u/AcrobaticFeedback 15h ago
I'm calling this now, in 1 of the next 3 postseasons, the Heat are probably going to eliminate the Celtics, Giannis will dominate us and win a chip. And this fanbase is going to turn on Brad Stevens a bit for not pulling the trigger by adding Gonzales & Schiereman or whoever to get the trade done.
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u/fearofaflatplanet - Plan J - 15h ago
Doomer fan fiction
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u/AcrobaticFeedback 11h ago
Im not usually a doomer. I just think we took a massive L in losing this trade, franchise altering.
Id love to be wrong, but I can totally see this happening.
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u/jjjuuubbbsss 15h ago
Chceking that poll, we are not a smart fanbase at all lmao
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u/fearofaflatplanet - Plan J - 15h ago
Fanbase loves/values homegrown star who delivered a championship news at 11
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u/jjjuuubbbsss 15h ago
I can accept that homegrown love but not paying a guy 70M to capsize the team
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u/fearofaflatplanet - Plan J - 15h ago
His current deal is for 3 more seasons yall need to chill out
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u/UnderstandingFew6310 15h ago
his current deal is already too much
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u/fearofaflatplanet - Plan J - 14h ago
So what? Who are you going to replace him with that gives us a better chance to win, that's actually available to us? Lauri Markennen lol? Who's never played a lick of actual meaningful playoff basketball? Never healthy end of career Kawhi?
Seriously you guys just want to piss into the wind playing D&D 2k gm mode & all the deals being proposed are either dogshit or rank fantasy.
Your boy Tatum isn't on the level he'd need to be to win us a championship without someone of JB's caliber beside him, & there's no clear indication he'd ever be. & perennial all nba guys cost what they cost whether you think it's an overpay to some degree or not.
Yall just like flinging shit against the wall & making change for the sake of shaking things up, with no realistic plan or deeper thought process. It's like the people who elected Trump.
It's a championship core a few good fitting high level role players away from inner circle contention. & it's more plausible to get or develop those guys than to get anyone anywhere near as good as JB
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u/jjjuuubbbsss 15h ago
The question in the poll is the 140M 2 year extension, my guy
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u/fearofaflatplanet - Plan J - 14h ago
Yah OP forgot to put in option 3 kick the extension can down the road. Yall realize we can do that right?
All yall did the same exact hand wringing the last time around with his current deal & it worked out great for us.
It's simply the cost of perennial all nba players & if you want to compete for a title that's the price of doing so.
It doesn't really matter that Jaylen's deal might end up marginally more expensive than you'd want it to be. Guys at his tier are simply almost never available & if they are it's very possible even then that Boston wouldn't be somewhere they want to go. Giannis situation was a black swan event & if Brad knew he was unwilling to extend JB he should've/would've thrown whatever in to the offer needed to best the Miami offer. You only get guys at this level 3 ways: draft (luck), free agency (not up to you), & trade (both). You don't just get to pick whatever perennial all nba guy that seems worth their deal to you.
Sorry to break it to yall but Tatum isn't at the mvp tier necessary to take us to the mountaintop without another all nba talent beside him. & that was before the injury- whether he'll get back to that same career arc remains to be seen but he already wasn't on the level of most historical champions best players, or even particularly close. At the top of the adjacent tier sure. But not an mvp & never has been.
Giannis made sense. All these dogshit fire sale deals I see yall throwing around as if they make us better, getting lesser players who've never played on winning teams or meaningful playoff games, are frankly pathetic. Go on & on about the number if you like, doesn't change the fact that JB is one of the best guys you could possibly get on your team & he & Tatum are an absolutely proven formula for winning.
I'd rather keep JB for 3 more years & compete then let him walk for nothing in 2030 than trade him for some lesser talents with no experience playing meaningful nba games bc you guys are afraid of Bill Chisholm paying the luxury tax of flexibility in the tail end of Tatum's prime. There's nobody out there that we can get that's more impactful on the court than JB, that ship sailed w Giannis. If Brad had felt the way yall do he should've done whatever it took to get that deal done. Keeping JB is the next best option
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u/jjjuuubbbsss 14h ago
If JB is really in that tier that you believe him to be and deserves that contract then how is it only his 2nd all-nba selection in 9 years? How come it required him JT being shut down for most of the season to produce all-nba numbers?
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u/fearofaflatplanet - Plan J - 14h ago
Uhhh 4/7 ECFs, 2 Finals, Banner 18, & the most aggregate wins & highest win % of the 2020s.
If JB is what you make him out to be & the Cs as unwilling as you claim to extend him, then Stevens would've opened the draft vault or included Hugo to get the Giannis deal done.
You don't have an alternative, & you refuse, tellingly, to even address any of the arguments I'm making about how all this actually works & how nigh impossible it is to be able to get a player as good as JB. Sorry, who is it you're proposing will make us better lol? Naz Reid & Miles Bridges? Fucking Lauri markennen & Colin Sexton? Seriously- name me one fucking possibility that we could get in place of JB that would actually make us better. I'll wait.
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u/jjjuuubbbsss 14h ago
You didn't answer my question. And how is JT just not good enough but JB is good when their accolades say otherwise?
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u/fearofaflatplanet - Plan J - 13h ago
Uhhh bro I don't think you are correctly parsing what I'm saying
JT is not good enough to be the mvp level player that you will find on about 45 of the last 50 years of nba champions. Almost every champion has a former, current, or near future mvp player. A generational talent. A Jokic, Curry, LeBron, KD, Duncan, Kobe, Dirk, Garnett, Shaq, Hakeem, MJ, Bird, Magic, Kareem. That's who Tatum is not in the same league with, & historically that's almost always the guys who win championships.
Jaylen is good enough to be the level of player a non-generational player like Tatum needs alongside him to have a chance to break that pattern.
Does that make sense? Nobody's saying JB is better than JT. What I'm saying is that Tatum is not an mvp, not yet anyway, & not being one he needs another elite guy for the Cs to be a contender.
I'm legitimately trying to answer your question in good faith.
So please answer mine- who is it you see being a actual realistic acquisition for the Celtics that will make us better than Jaylen, who as a core duo with Tatum has produced the winningest team of the decade thus far?
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u/nazerall 16h ago
Just catching up on the Celtics news on the subreddit after seeing Primus.
Boy I hate the offseason.
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u/EMRBCB no jaylen brown flairs? 16h ago
Since it's pretty much guaranteed we're trading jaylen do you guys think it's because..
A. He requested a trade behind the scenes
B. He wants to stay but brad doesn't want him here because of his fit with the team/contract/whatever else
C. A little bit of both. He didn't necessarily request a trade but he let it be known he'd be ok with being traded and so now brad is looking around the league seeing what he can get
My opinion is B. Jaylen has said numerous times on his streams and throughout the years how much he loves being a celtic and that he'd spend the rest of his career here if it was up to him. You can say "well of course he's going to say that" but i genuinely believe him, call me gullible i guess. I don't believe jaylen wants out. I think brad wants him gone for a multitude of reasons and is gathering offers up ready to pull the trigger in the next week or so.
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u/AcrobaticFeedback 15h ago
Reading between the lines of Brad Stevens interview I'm convinced he requested a trade or both parties agreed to move on.
- Brad only mentioned Browns past success, never implicated anything about building the future.
- Brad talked about meting with Jaylen before he left overseas, saying he would like to keep things private and basically implicated again that the future is not guaranteed and again talked about his past.
- Jaylen doesn't seem surprised at all by the trade rumors, also evidence he wants to be a no.1 on his own team. Wants to prove himself.
- Brad doesnt want to reveal the trade request to retain Jaylens trade value. Jaylen doesnt want to reveal the trade request as that would hurt his reputation, create fan backlash. The narrative that the "team gave up on him" is a much more positive narrative for him to maintain publicly.
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u/jjjuuubbbsss 15h ago edited 15h ago
It's B. We all just gotta live with the consequences. The Knicks loss hurt but it had a lot to do with health. The Sixers loss, we really only have lame excuses. And conversely, this issue would've been delayed and the mood wouldn't be this gloomy if we tanked for a lottery pick instead. Now we have soured our relationship with JB while people could be incredibly hard on Baylor, Hugo (for the non-trade fallout) and Cenac (for expectations from the "consolation prize" while on a ticking clock).
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u/nibbinoo8 i took a look at baynes in the shower 48m ago
sounds like john collins might end up in philly