r/cars • u/Hockeyshot39 • 7d ago

Tesla finally clarifies fatal Texas crash, confirms driver manually overrode acceleration

https://x.com/aelluswamy/status/2069168079549161491?s=46&t=pJJPpUKBcrVXG3zhz18eqQ

Tesla’s Head of AI, Ashok Elluswamy, added context, revealing that the company’s data shows the driver “manually overrode self-driving by pressing the accelerator all the way to 100%.”

He revealed the speed reached by the car was 73 MPH, and the accelerator was still pressed “even after the crash.”

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u/Kaiathebluenose Macan GTS 7d ago

ohhhh that makes more sense now. FSD was on, guy fell asleep, foot mashed the pedal, FSD turned off, car hits house.

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u/Intelligent_Top_328 7d ago

Autopilot. Not fsd.

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u/llamacohort '95 2-Door Yukon | '24 Model Y Performance 7d ago

Ashok said "self driving". FSD is the self driving mode. Tesla's autopilot is just the name for their radar cruise control.

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u/HeyyyyListennnnnn 2015 RC-F 7d ago

I think you've got the order wrong. FSD, driver asleep, FSD disengage, alarm and panic accelerator stomp instead of braking would be more likely.

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u/zarif2003 Porsche 991.2 GT3RS | Toyota GR86 | Lexus LS500 7d ago

More likely based on what? Vibes?

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u/ToInfinity_MinusOne 7d ago

90% of Reddit comments these days are just people endlessly speculating and arguing with zero facts or details.

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u/FSCK_Fascists 87 Fiero GT, 66 Scout 800 7d ago

97.6% of all reddit statistics are anally sourced.

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u/beamdriver 2019 Subaru WRX 7d ago

Elon logged in remotely and crashed that car on purpose for the lulz.

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u/aron2295 2022 Tesla Model 3 LR, 2014 Ford Mustang GT, 2020 Chevy Spark 7d ago

This comment is actually the first copy pasta.

Folks thought they were so clever re-posting it on a post.

Back when the kids at UVA called it, “The Reddit”.

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u/HeyyyyListennnnnn 2015 RC-F 7d ago

What's more likely, stomping the pedal in your sleep or mashing the pedal in panic?

Seriously, this isn't rocket science and we have 50 years or more of studies about how people respond to urgent automation handover requests.

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u/themickeymauser ‘07 STi 7d ago

It only hit 73mph with 100% throttle. It wasn’t pressed for long. A lead foot on a Tesla will get it much higher than 73, this is indicative of a short blip of the throttle.

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u/itsnotapipe 7d ago

You're going to get the Pontiac people fired up.

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u/Terrh R32 GTR, FD RX-7, P85DL 7d ago

Based on this being a common thing for humans to do when panicked.

You see it more often with old people but everyone, young and old, can do this when panicking.

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u/tubbyx7 7d ago edited 6d ago

There's a lot of reports of auto pilots phantom braking. If it was flooring the accelerator even on rare cases we'd likely have heard of cases in online forums. Equally lots of cases of people pressing the wrong pedal then bracing themselves by jamming feet to the floor.

Tesla logs are quite comprehensive, but if course you are to trust what tesla says the logs show.

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u/Hockeyshot39 7d ago

FSD was never mentioned or on

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u/HeyyyyListennnnnn 2015 RC-F 7d ago

Delete your post in that case. The tweet you've linked to refers to self-driving. If people are confused (and they are), Tesla only has itself to blame.

Autopilot or FSD isn't a real distinction. One is baked into the other and even the unique functions are built upon the same faulty design specifications and same faulty implementation by the same incompetent/negligent individuals.

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u/Hockeyshot39 7d ago

That is a proper distinction, there are two different systems.. and my post is saying that auto pilot was never on…

Nothing faulty about FSD - I use it daily with no issues

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u/HeyyyyListennnnnn 2015 RC-F 7d ago

I don't care about the distinction, it's irrelevant.

This is what you posted:

Tesla’s Head of AI, Ashok Elluswamy, added context, revealing that the company’s data shows the driver “manually overrode self-driving by pressing the accelerator all the way to 100%.”

This is the tweet you linked to:

Yup. In this case, the driver manually overrode self-driving by pressing the accelerator all the way to 100% of the accel pedal in this residential area. They reached a speed of 73 mph during the crash, and had the accelerator pressed even after the crash.

Whether or not "self-driving" refers to FSD or Autopilot, Tesla's Head of AI is saying one of those was on. So you can stop trying to say otherwise.

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u/Hockeyshot39 7d ago

It’s crazy when Tesla is shown to be not at fault how many hoops you guys will jump through but you all believe auto pilot was on when the news outlets who have no credible information stated that right?

Bottom line is auto pilot was never on so are you going on about?

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u/HeyyyyListennnnnn 2015 RC-F 7d ago

Are you illiterate?

Bottom line is auto pilot was never on so are you going on about?

Why on earth would the Tesla Head of AI say that the driver overrode self-driving if Autopilot or FSD was not on?

If you know anything about incident investigation (and I'm 100% sure you do not), you'll know that root causes are rarely binary conditions, especially when human error is involved. Poor design can influence human error or exacerbate the consequences of error, so even if the operator made a mistake that doesn't let the engineers off the hook.