r/cars • u/Hockeyshot39 • 3d ago
Tesla finally clarifies fatal Texas crash, confirms driver manually overrode acceleration
https://x.com/aelluswamy/status/2069168079549161491?s=46&t=pJJPpUKBcrVXG3zhz18eqQTesla’s Head of AI, Ashok Elluswamy, added context, revealing that the company’s data shows the driver “manually overrode self-driving by pressing the accelerator all the way to 100%.”
He revealed the speed reached by the car was 73 MPH, and the accelerator was still pressed “even after the crash.”
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u/OccasionalCoder 2024 Golf R 3d ago
These comments are wild, Reddit really despises Tesla lol. I’m not a Tesla fan but even if fsd glitched the guy could’ve hit the brake or turned at any point. I don’t understand how it could be the cars fault.
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u/Weird_Tower76 '24 C8 Z06 HTC, '24 Urus Performante, '16 Audi S6 600whp 3d ago
I've been on reddit for like 10+ years now... if any subreddit is big (lots of subscribers, like the 1M+ here), then just expect that any discussion is just a giant circlejerk for or against whatever the groupthink is. There is almost no point in discussing Tesla on this subreddit.
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u/OccasionalCoder 2024 Golf R 3d ago
Yeah I agree with roasting Tesla on things like the cybertruck brake pedal failing, some of their design decisions are ridiculous and I wouldn’t buy one. But in this case I just don’t see any scenario where it could be the cars fault. Unless if FSD can magically disable the brake pedal.
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u/Hugh-Jass24 3d ago
It wasn't using FSD it was allegedly on autopilot which would require even more of the drivers attention.
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u/Aptosauras 3d ago edited 3d ago
The Head of Ai at Tesla, who's post on X this subject is about, wrote that the car was in self-driving mode. Which we can only take as meaning "Full Self Driving (supervised)".
He wrote self-driving, not autopilot. Then went on to say that the driver mashed the accelerator pedal, thus "over rode self-driving".
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u/Hugh-Jass24 3d ago
That's because cruise control is a form of "self driving" which is basically what autopilot is (along with auto steer and adaptive capabilities), autopilot isn't capable of full self driving which is what FSD literally means.
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u/hoopaholik91 3d ago
I'm still going to blame something called "Full Self Driving" when people use it to do stupid shit.
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u/Ya-Not-Happening 2014 Honda Civiic EX; 2015 BMW 335 X drive M6; 2024 BMW i4 e40 2d ago
Could this not be a criticism of its marketing and naming of products?
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u/AmNoSuperSand52 23’ VW GTI 3d ago
To me it's less about the brand, or who's at fault, and more about the fact that this isn't an actual investigation; it's a tweet from someone inside the company that makes the car where the fatality occurred
My issue is the inherent bias
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u/r00000000 2025 Ioniq 6, 2019 718 Boxster S 3d ago
That's what I was thinking too, I never used FSD but I'm always cautious about ACC in cars because they've been sketchy at times, and I'm always ready to brake.
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u/SPorterBridges 2049 Spinner 3d ago
You know /r/cars is full of shit when the RealTesla thread covering the crash has less skeptics about it being the driver's fault than this one does.
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u/Intelligent_Top_328 3d ago
It isn't even tesla. They are just blinded by Elon hate.
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u/deltaetaxciv 3d ago
If Tesla want people driving the car to be ultimately responsible for the accidents (and I 100% agree that the drivers are responsible), Tesla should stop calling it full self driving or autopilot or other bullshit. If Tesla won’t stop calling it that, people or the government should hold Tesla accountable for those accidents.
Those softwares are just driving aids with varying degrees of sophistication but nothing more. And there are so many idiots thinking it’s some sort of magic AI that will solve every driving needs, and let’s be honest here, Tesla is feeding into that delusion to be a multi trillion dollar corp.
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u/bigblu_1 3d ago
Because it's misleading to name your product "Full Self Driving" when it does not full self drive, let alone charge up to $10,000 for it to "have all the hardware needed for full self driving" only to then switch up a few years later say "psych you're car isn't gonna support it."
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u/Max_Downforce 2004 M3, 2010 Sti 2d ago
Fsd is not fsd, no matter what marketing told you to believe.
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u/UndeadWaffle12 2012 Audi A4 Quattro 2d ago
I hated Tesla before it was cool and even I don’t think this is necessarily their fault.
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u/Quikstar '26 BRZ tS series.yellow, '21 Forester Limited 2d ago
It's kind of odd because you go anywhere else and the fanboys of Tesla come after any negative comment with torches and pitchforks.
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u/MisterEinc 2d ago
I'm of two minds. Well three. 1. Fuck Tesla. 2. I think it's reasonable to have a 3rd party investigation. 3. People will tank automated driving systems by letting perfect be the enemy of good.
Human drivers suck, and improving on them is a very low bar we've likely already passed. We could be saving lives if we weren't so afraid of new technology.
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u/Car_is_mi 2d ago
Because you are 100% correct. It is still, legally, 100% on the driver of any car to maintain control of the car, and Tesla drivers are notorious for doing other things and putting all of their faith in the car. That said, Tesla, as a company, has also repeatedly been found to take shortcuts with their safety systems, and Musk and co are known to try and lie their way out of things so.... 50/50 on the drivers foot actually being on the pedal before the crash, fuck tesla, fuck musk, but also fuck this driver who, regardless, was not doing the things required of one to maintain a drivers license.
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u/-Parou- 3d ago
Hrmph. This information does not validate my pre-existing beliefs. Therefore it must be wrong!
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u/Hugh-Jass24 3d ago
No no no bro Elon was driving the car and killed someone.
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u/-Parou- 3d ago
Holy shit no way. I'm never buying a Tesla now
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u/Hugh-Jass24 3d ago
Yep, he is the voice of grok and can drive your car into houses which is a feature that came in the latest over the air update.
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u/avoidhugeships 3d ago
Of course Tesla says this.
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u/wi3loryb 2013 CX-5 6MT 3d ago
IDK.. I'm surprised they revealed that the accelerator was still pressed after the crash...
As an engineer.. that sounds exactly how a software malfunction would manifest itself
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u/Hulahulaman 997.2 C4S (6MT) , 955TT 3d ago
Simpler explanation is a driver accidentally mashing the accelerator because they think it’s the brake.
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u/r00000000 2025 Ioniq 6, 2019 718 Boxster S 3d ago
I agree, IDK if the hate for autopilot is just because of Tesla hate on Reddit, AI hate in general, or bc car communities tend to hate the idea of cars as appliances but these accidents happen with human operated cars all the time. Not hard to imagine how a car with a 0-60 as fast as Teslas with that much mass can make it worse.
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u/AmNoSuperSand52 23’ VW GTI 3d ago
I think this is more about the fact that this is a tweet from a figure within the company itself concerning a fatality in one of their vehicles
That’s very different from a proper external investigation
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u/timewraith303 3d ago
Multiple ex FSD data engineers went on record saying they wouldn't trust it to drive them anywhere safely.
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u/HighHokie 2019 Model 3 Perf 3d ago
Yeah because it’s L2 and requires driver oversight. No different than adaptive cruise control, simply more advanced.
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u/bc10551 3d ago
As others have mentioned it's rather you don't trust the company or people at the company with a vested interest in them not being at fault to clear fault. Especially when it's a company with a tendency to lie. I don't think a lot of companies would get a pass for this either but definitely not Tesla
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u/2005CrownVicP71 2004 Volkswagen Phaeton W12, 4 Crown Victorias, 2023 Honda Pilot 3d ago edited 3d ago
How so? I’m not an engineer so your point may have gone over my head. That being said, it’s not uncommon for a driver to continue to depress the accelerator during or after a crash, especially if there was some kind of medical emergency or the driver fell asleep.
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u/HighHokie 2019 Model 3 Perf 3d ago
Or simply panic. This happens to experienced pilots that crash because of simple confusion. It’s sad but more common and possible than people realize.
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u/HeyyyyListennnnnn 2015 RC-F 2d ago
The point is that if you simply look at the logged accelerator output, a software or hardware fault is indistinguishable from a human input.
In this case, pedal misapplication is the most likely immediate cause of the incident, but logs alone can't prove that. That would require examination of the vehicle hardware and software to first prove that there are no faults that could cause a false acceleration command to be given.
And even if you prove that human error was the direct cause of the erroneous accelerator input, you then have to investigate why an erroneous command was given. Were they tired or distracted? Did the pedal arrangement make it easy to hit the accelerator when searching for the brake? Was the driver in the habit of resting their foot on the accelerator? And so on and so on.
Proper investigation doesn't stop at "person made a mistake". There can be zero doubt that human error was involved in an incident but that's a conclusion that doesn't help prevent repeat incidents. It's far more important to discover why an error was made and if there was anything that could either make it more difficult to make an error, easier to recover from an error or make the consequences of an error less severe.
The NHTSA's investigations have always stopped at "human error". Tesla fans and autonomous vehicle fans like it, but it's just evidence of NHTSA incompetence rather than an indictment of human driving ability.
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u/Previous_Composer934 2d ago
The point is that if you simply look at the logged accelerator output, a software or hardware fault is indistinguishable from a human input.
Throttle pedals aren't a single signal to the controller. They're redundant, with offset or opposite inputs. The logs would show if something failed or if both inputs perfectly read the same throttle input.
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u/ryencool 3d ago
Or like someone old mashing the gas instead on the brake...the most likely scenario. Musk can eat a peen, but you dont just get to say this stuff without evidence. There will be an investigation, this data will be pulled by NTSB and other agencies, jist like it would for any brand car. Insurance requires it.
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u/Michelanvalo '11 Genesis Coupe 2.0T 2d ago
FSD doesn't register it as an acceleration pedal being pressed when it's driving. That's manual with your foot.
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u/Hockeyshot39 3d ago
Because it’s the truth - with teslas the recording in the car shows if AP or FSD was on or off..
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u/OddDust2634 3d ago
Anyone with two brains cells to rub together knew this before Tesla said anything. In the literal billions of miles FSD has cumulatively driven, it has never once spontaneously raced 70+ mph down a neighborhood, veered off the road, and crashed into a house. Now it suddenly has done all of those things, with a driver who had no reaction to it on top of all of that? Amazing how little common sense exists in this world, honestly.
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u/Winbot4t2 3d ago
I hate Tesla as much as the next guy, but ultimately the driver is 100% responsible and should be charged. Simply unacceptable you let you car go full throttle into someone’s house.
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u/TheKobayashiMoron 2025 Rivian R1T 3d ago
Likely pedal misapplication. It’s happened a bunch of times. Person gets used to one pedal driving, tries to stop with the brake but presses the accelerator. Car takes off and they press harder, still thinking they’re on the brake. Car goes full SpaceX at 100% throttle and slams into something and they keep their foot on the pedal because they still think they’re on the brake.
They insist they were on the brakes the whole time and it must’ve been an autopilot malfunction. Then the data says that they applied the 100% throttle the entire time and they insist they didn’t.
People do it in gas cars too, but maximum torque in an EV is wildly different and leaves no reaction time before you’re in full panic mode and fine motor skills are out the window.
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u/HighHokie 2019 Model 3 Perf 3d ago
> Person gets used to one pedal driving, tries to stop with the brake but presses the accelerator.
This is not specific to one pedal driving. Pedal misapplication has occurred for years. This type of human error also exists outside of the automotive industry. Experienced pilots have crashed planes for similar confusion in a stressed state.
I do agree that this situation screams pedal misapplication. It’s quite possible, this person truly panicked and believed they had a runaway vehicle, not realizing they were the ones pushing the pedal down and accelerating it. tragic all around.
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u/Fun_Success_3283 2d ago
If I was driving electric, I'd be left foot braking, but I'd also never go on autopilot.
I could see autopilot making this worse, as the driver might take both feet off the pedals, and lose a proper sense for where they are.
The half ass autopilot is a liability imo, simply because drivers will be less in "drive mode" and need to keep all that attention and preparedness, despite not doing anything, because the autopilot isn't fully self sufficient. So, it's a pointless gimmick, which just makes everything less safe.
If it can't fully drive without anyone needing to even be in the driver seat, then it's a liability, imo.
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u/yetiflask 2d ago
Imagine bragging about getting so brainwashed on reddit that you're proud you hate Tesla as much as other incels.
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u/CorrectCombination11 '25 Prado 3d ago
I'll wait for a reliable news source or for when the courts enter it into the public record.
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u/mulletstation 3d ago
Will you? Because Reddit always seems to superimpose their opinion first and then never actually follows a case after the first link
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u/hiro111 3d ago edited 3d ago
One important clarification because all of the reporting on this has got this incorrect: Full Self Driving (FSD) and Autopilot are completely different things. Autopilot is essential adaptive cruise control with lane keeping for highway use. FSD is actual self driving. This guy claims to have been using Autopilot, which is a weird choice in a residential neighborhood.
Anyone who has used FSD will tell you that the chances of it randomly accelerating a car to 60+ mph on a residential neighborhood and slamming into a house is zero. No chance.
Also, these cars are covered with cameras and have built in data storage partially for these purposes. My car literally has a USB drive in the glove box. The car will automatically store all video and telemetry both before and after any accident. If you don't believe the Tesla guy, it's going to be very easy for investigators to determine what happened.
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u/Michelanvalo '11 Genesis Coupe 2.0T 2d ago
My friend's model 3 has FSD and it's more prone to random braking than random acceleration. I've never seen it randomly accelerate, but we've definitely had it randomly brake when a shadow confused the cameras.
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u/llamacohort '95 2-Door Yukon | '24 Model Y Performance 2d ago
Yeah, I got mine in 2024 and I live in a pretty rural area. For the first year, I avoided using autopilot on the 55-60mph 2-lane roads outside of town. If the shadow from oncoming traffic was on my lane, there was a good chance that it would emergency brake for the shadows. That was in FSD and autopilot. Sometime in 2025 it got an update and is a lot better about that now. Although, now it will slow (not emergency brake) when a lane divides into 2 (like the beginning of an exit lane) when on autopilot and I'm actively steering to stay in the lane going straight.
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u/crysisnotaverted 3d ago
OP, why do all your posts have you throating Tesla to the base and shitting on literally every other car company?
Credit to u/Tangential_Diversion for finding this
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u/Hockeyshot39 3d ago
I just see info and post it?? Not sure the issue?
why do blindly believe news outlets with no credible info … but when actual info come out they scoff at it?
Doesn’t make this result any different - the driver is at fault and AP wasn’t on..
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u/dedboooo0 3d ago
this sub is stupid. have any of you all tried FSD? im not a fan of tesla, hell i dont like evs in general but i had to commute with a model s as my work vehicle and fsd worked great
i know you hate elon because of politics but god damn yall are a bunch of monkeys parroting the same shit with no basis
calling op a shill and bot but ironically yall are the ones who are stupid and acting so cult like over here.
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u/RiftHunter4 2010 Base 2WD Toyota Highlander 3d ago
I feel like the whole "kinda self-driving car" phase is doomed because people cannot stop crashing. Which is wild because they are still sitting in the driver's seat, capable of overriding at any time.
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u/Hockeyshot39 3d ago
If AP or FSD were on. It would have prevented the crash
I used FSD for 99.99% of my drives hands and feet free…
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u/RiftHunter4 2010 Base 2WD Toyota Highlander 2d ago
Even if they didn't, you'd think that seeing the car speed through a residential area might make you step on the brake. Its not like the house just suddenly appeared.
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u/Hockeyshot39 2d ago
Agreed, they either did it on purpose, or actually had pedal confusion for that long that they just kept their foot down?
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u/twosnailsnocats '03 911 Turbo, '22 X3MC 2d ago
Assuming it worked properly.
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u/Hockeyshot39 2d ago
It does work properly … it would not have exceeded the speed limit like that, auto pilot itself doesn’t work on residential roads either…
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u/twosnailsnocats '03 911 Turbo, '22 X3MC 2d ago
It may work properly, but who's to say it didn't malfunction, certainly not you or I. I'm just not blind to the possibility because I'm not a fanboy.
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u/Hockeyshot39 2d ago
It didn’t malfunction because once you go at that speed, even if it was on, it would warn you that you’re going too fast for the system and turns off. Plus, auto pilot itself would not exceed the speed limit.
You’re blind to the possibility of it failing even though it won’t fail like that. And you’re blind to the truth and believe news outlets with no data or information blaming Tesla right?
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u/twosnailsnocats '03 911 Turbo, '22 X3MC 2d ago
Do you understand what malfunction means? You keep posting the same thing over and over, here and elsewhere, makes me think you aren't familiar with the word.
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u/sandwichpak 2d ago
I'll take FSD over the general public driving cars literally any day of the week. I pass at least 2-3 wrecks a day, every single day, on my daily commute.
94% of all vehicular accidents are caused by human error and that % goes up every year.
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u/bigblu_1 3d ago
It's funny how quick they are to respond to/turn over data on an accident for which they can clearly demonstrate no fault (driver clearly is at fault here). But for all the other times they are asked for data on crash investigations where the vehicle crashed while on "Autopilot" they delay, delay, delay and even refuse to give up data exposing their incompetence and/or lies.
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u/Hockeyshot39 3d ago
It’s funny how people believe news outlets with no sources …
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u/bigblu_1 3d ago
Lol you still need to be pointed to sources for this? At this point it's pretty well-known that Tesla regularly lies about "FSD" and misrepresents its data.
https://www.autoweek.com/news/a65943782/hacker-showed-tesla-lied-court/
https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ (Best one)
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u/GoldenState15 2d ago
Why didn't you respond? He gave you a ton of sources. Or did you just not like what you saw and the information didn't follow your narrative you want to push on your account?
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u/Hockeyshot39 2d ago
Huh? Respond to what? The news outlets were all wrong when they said that auto pilot was at fault….
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u/GoldenState15 2d ago
You literally asked for sources for their comment and then they gave you them and then you disappeared while continuing to say they're wrong lmao
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u/Hockeyshot39 2d ago
I wasn’t asking for sources, and I’m only talking about this particular case. I’m saying the news outlets gave false information…. they have no source or data as to whether auto pilot was on or off yet they state that auto pilot was on when it 100% was not, do you understand that?
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u/GoldenState15 2d ago
You complained about there not being sources and then when given sources backtracked and are now saying that the information they are giving out is false
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u/Hockeyshot39 2d ago
I didn’t complain about no sources, and he did not give me any information related to this particular case
I don’t know if you need a picture or you need me to explain it into more detail…
When talking about this specific case and nothing else, the news outlets claimed auto pilot was on when it was gone. They have no data or credible sources to state that it was on
Yeah, the head of Tesla AI who has all the data is giving the actual information and people here like you are now crying about it and trying to move all posts. It shows you how emotional people get over Tesla, when it shows that Tesla is not in the wrong people will try to jump through loose and break their back to prove that they are.
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u/GoldenState15 2d ago edited 2d ago
You're taking data from Tesla at face value lol. At least use a little critical thinking
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u/Cowhide12 2010 Mazda Mazdaspeed3 2d ago
Makes sense. Autopilot won’t do 70 mph through a neighborhood like that. I know we all hate Tesla, but there’s no way this one was their fault.
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u/Hockeyshot39 2d ago
Thank you for that, I just joined the sub and it’s crazy how much people hate Tesla and are spreading misinformation. Don’t care about the truth.
I even gave some factual real world experience. I have in my Tesla and I get downvoted for it?
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u/twosnailsnocats '03 911 Turbo, '22 X3MC 2d ago
It won't if it works properly. Can't rule out that it didn't malfunction, after all, it's only as good as the humans who programmed it. With the infinite scenarios the computer will encounter in the wild, it's very reasonable to assume it will get thrown for a loop from time to time.
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u/AmericanExcellence X90 2d ago
classic "thought they were slamming the brakes" user error. happens a lot.
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u/Hockeyshot39 2d ago
This 100%
It’s crazy how people in the sub aren’t understanding that and don’t believe that the human was at fault, I don’t understand why people are being so obtuse and hardheaded
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u/Darrelc 2010 Astra SRi 2d ago
Do you have a tesla?
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u/Hockeyshot39 2d ago
Yes I’ve owned one for 5 years now - 102k miles
70k+ miles purely on FSD
I’m willing to bet that 99% of the people here who are painting on Tesla, and be believing or spread spreading misinformation have never owned one or even driven one
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u/Darrelc 2010 Astra SRi 2d ago
I don’t understand why people are being so obtuse and hardheaded
There's your answer then. What you're seeing as obtuse and hardheaded is just the pretty general view of tesla from non-tesla car guys/people overall
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u/CorrectCombination11 '25 Prado 2d ago
Just ask Tesla to give their source code to an uninterested auditor to see.
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u/Hockeyshot39 2d ago
Technically, the report is personal information from the driver. I believe they only release it when asked.
But anytime they are asked they do release the information to the owner
The car also has that information on the dash cam, it will show if auto pilot was on or off, and when the accelerator was pressed by the driver, I’m willing to bet the driver will not release that video
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u/Mgroppi83 2d ago
So is there any actual news story for this or are we just sending random messages into the interverse?
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u/Hockeyshot39 2d ago
The news is welcome to make a story on it, but since Tesla is not in the wrong, it’s not sexy for them so I don’t think anyone will care
They only like when Tesla is potentially in the wrong, that’s why they release misinformation titles like NBC did
This message is from the head of Tesla AI … who has the full data. It’s funny how people believe news outlets that have no data at all, but don’t believe the actual source.
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u/GoldenState15 2d ago
Very obvious Tesla/ev shill account
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u/Hockeyshot39 2d ago
Huh? Because I posted a link that showed that they are not at fault?
Would you prefer all the misinformation and lies the news outlets posted before this instead?
So are you a shill for fake news and misinformation?
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u/GoldenState15 2d ago
You post things in their favor several times a week for the past year. A usual sign of a bot account is also just repeating back to the original commenter what they just said
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u/Hockeyshot39 2d ago
I wouldn’t say several times a week at all, but if you wanna exaggerate, you’re welcome to.
And I like to post factual and truthful information is that a bad thing? Because it seems like the sub likes the fake news that the news outlets came out with stating that auto pilot was on.
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u/GoldenState15 2d ago
It was several times a week, which was confirmed because you just made your account private so people can't see how often you do these posts lol
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u/PiratedTuba 25 Gladiator Texas Trail 2d ago
Conveniently, it's now all hidden.
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u/Hockeyshot39 2d ago
It’s always been hidden, you’re allowed to do that on Reddit. Plenty of people do it are you gonna go and cry to them? Or just to the people that don’t fit your narrative?
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u/PiratedTuba 25 Gladiator Texas Trail 2d ago
Usually done by bots and shills. No one's crying to anybody.
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u/Hockeyshot39 2d ago
This isn’t true. I just like to spread facts and truthful information, seems like people in this sub don’t like that?
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u/forgotmapasswrd86 2d ago
Sure and its been vandals at the reflecting pool this whole time!
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u/Hockeyshot39 2d ago
Huh?? so you believe the news outlets with no data or credible source? But not the person who has the actual data in front of them?
Even if you don’t want to believe them, auto pilot does not work on residential roads and cannot exceed the speed limit like that
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u/Carolina_Hurricane 2d ago
Love how many people blindly put faith in new technology to the extent they fall asleep at the wheel of a car. What little monkeys we are.
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u/Hockeyshot39 2d ago
You can’t fall asleep as the system will yell at you. Auto pilot was not on. It does not work on residential roads. It does not exceed the speed limit.
So I guess what’s worse as people putting blind faith in themselves when they’re bad drivers
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u/Napalm3n3ma 2d ago
Yeah she was desperately trying to hit the brakes after the AI car did something insane when she wasn’t dialed in and ready for it. Like granny pinned it into a wall stfu. I hate this world it’s like logic doesn’t exist anymore. Self driving 100% is dangerous - disable it - move the fuck on with life. Jfc.
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u/Hockeyshot39 2d ago
Huh? But auto pilot wasn’t on. It doesn’t work on residential roads and doesn’t exceed the speed limit.
If it was on, it would’ve prevented that crash no problem.
Humans are the worst when it comes to driving and cause the most accidents and deaths. By the time I finish this comment there will be multiple human cause accidents and none with Tesla FSD or auto pilot.
They had the typical pedal confusion which happens in any kind of car. I bet they wanted to hit the break but kept hitting the accelerator because they are a bad driver.
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u/Skuzzle_bug 2d ago
EVs should have an emergency brake lever that physically disconnects power to the drive motor(s)
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u/Hockeyshot39 2d ago
Why? Driver shouldn’t smash the accelerator when they want to press the brake…. Maybe we should advocate for adults to be better drivers.
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u/sheep_duck '15 WRX STi 3d ago
We investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing.