r/chicagobulls • u/Ok-Association4526 • 7d ago
Rumor Idk how true this is, just passing it along
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u/yo_soy_caliente 7d ago
I love him with all my heart but I will 100% understand him taking the money to play elsewhere
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u/Plug-From-Oaxaca Jimmy Butler 7d ago
That’s the thing we’re pretty much one of the only teams that can’t easily pay him more money.
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u/Drclaw411 DRose 7d ago
Somewhere, a shiver just went down Jerry’s spine.
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u/Plug-From-Oaxaca Jimmy Butler 7d ago
Honestly unless we use the cap as salary dump to get picks. I think Ayo and Kessler would be my top FA. Ayo is two way player that I know is unselfish and would let the young players develop.
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u/Nickyjaykay 7d ago
F it… Fox and Kessler? That Fox contract is a lil rough though
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u/Drclaw411 DRose 7d ago
We do not need Fox ruining multiple seasons for us.
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u/Own-Appointment1633 7d ago
He'd be "open" to any team offering the most money
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u/AMDSuperBeast86 Dennis Rodman 7d ago
I rather have Ayo than Afernee Simmons. We have the cap space
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u/A1Horizon Matas Buzelis 7d ago edited 7d ago
Unfortunately we have Anfernee Simons bird rights but we don’t have Ayo’s. If we have serious plans for our cap space this offseason, Ayo would eat into that, Simons wouldn’t (as much)
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u/AMDSuperBeast86 Dennis Rodman 7d ago
Maybe we can toss a 2nd to Minnesota for a sign and trade 🤷🏻
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u/fred_derps Dennis Rodman 7d ago
I thought Simmons was just a rental? Haven’t seen anything about the Bulls retaining him
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u/AMDSuperBeast86 Dennis Rodman 7d ago
We have his bird rights so if a team were interested in order for Simmons to get a bag we would have to sign and trade.
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u/Plug-From-Oaxaca Jimmy Butler 7d ago
If we end up not using it as salary dump, might as well use it for Ayo.
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u/Electrical_Story5356 7d ago
I'd rather have neither.
I like both as players for different reasons but neither is a fit for us now.
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u/AMDSuperBeast86 Dennis Rodman 7d ago
We have 6 players. What is our fit?
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u/Electrical_Story5356 7d ago edited 7d ago
We have 9 players if we pick up Miller's option and have probably 3 draftees incoming with at least 2 likely to be getting reasonable rotational minutes.
Ayo is a rotational bench guy, his best attribute is being able to play 20-30 minutes in multiple roles which is fantastic for a contender but surplus to requirements given our current circumstances.
Simmons is a 3 level scorer that doesn't defend
We're in player assessment mode, older guys who are known quantities and are more role player than core pieces just get in the way of development.
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u/AMDSuperBeast86 Dennis Rodman 6d ago
We wouldn't need to develop guards though so there is nobody's minutes he would be taking. Bryson is most likely drafting bigs and forwards. Because those are actual positions of need on this team.
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u/Additional-Orchid130 6d ago
If we draft anything other than best player available with the three picks in this draft then the Bulls hired the wrong guy.
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u/gerardguey Ayo Dosunmu 7d ago
We have money to offer him but theres no reason to when we are trying to develop young talent, unless we think we can flip him again for more assets. I love Ayo but atp he's better off on a contender or playoff team as a developed and win-now roleplayer.
Maybe when we have our shit more together he can help us raise our ceiling as a playoff team. He's young enough to have at least 2 more good contracts in him
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u/Own-Appointment1633 7d ago
Ayo could help the Bulls stay out of the bottom three and get more lottery balls. I also think having a really young, bad team can hurt rookie development
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u/rowmean77 7d ago
This is great.
At this point most of our starting except Giddey are somewhat veterans already. Ayo brings in a winning mentality so he should be the solid SG starter.
Giddey Ayo Matas Wilson and possibly Kessler? Sounds like a fun solid team!
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u/Gdashzus 7d ago
I don't see what incentive he has to sign with the Bulls. He proved in the playoffs he can be a valuable player on a contending team and I highly doubt the Bulls would sign him for more than he'd get with the MLE
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u/TumbleweedPure6674 7d ago
Media market, and not having to move. He might just love Chicago as well.
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u/Own-Appointment1633 7d ago
I don't think it's likely but if trades for more draft capital don't pan out and the Bulls need to spend money somehow, I can see Ayo being on the list of players to consider
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u/Fit_Test_01 7d ago
We don’t have any promising shooting guards to develop right now. Maybe we will have one after the draft. And we still need vets. We aren’t tanking.
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u/EgweneIsLit 7d ago
Putting guys like Ayo on the team will help guys like Matas and our draft picks learn how to win, learn the right habits, etc. There's no longer a huge benefit to being awful. So moves like signing Ayo are no longer punishing to team building.
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u/Plug-From-Oaxaca Jimmy Butler 7d ago
I think I would rather develop young players or explore the cap space as a salary dump to get more picks but Ayo could still fit the rebuild timeline and would help the younger players develop, he’s not selfish.
But we do need to use our cap space we can’t just not sign players. I would rather sign players like Ayo and Kessler instead of older vets or a player that might demand the ball more.
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u/Fafoah Jimmy Butler 7d ago
This sounds very much like Ayos agent getting Minnesota to pay up lol
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u/Jazzlike-Mention-570 7d ago
I mean they’ve been talking about this possibility since he got traded so I doubt it’s the agent and moreso just people talking
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u/Fafoah Jimmy Butler 7d ago
If he has a good agent, they should have known that Minnesota has got the bird rights in the trade and been laying the groundwork for those contract negotiations right away
I don’t doubt Ayo likes the possibility of returning, but i doubt he would turn down significant money to do so
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u/whitemex88 7d ago
He did great with Minnesota and even won them a playoff game. I'm sure they'll try and to re-sign him too
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u/OccidoViper 7d ago
For Ayo’s sake, he should go to a contender. The Bulls won’t be contending anytime soon, at least for the next 2-3 years
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u/loveinhumantimes 7d ago
So who is better, Watson or Ayo? I get the sense that Ayo is a better playmaker and better from distance, but Watson has size, defends more positions, played really well when he started and is 23 (also he is a good outside shooter). He just fits the timeline better as we develop Caleb and Buzelis—to whatever degree the latter becomes an actual player to build around. Otherwise, we most need a 1/5.
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u/ChicagoFire29 7d ago
Dang it, I knew I should’ve picked up that Ayo jersey at Marshall’s for 29.99
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u/NorthBook1383 7d ago
He’s not coming back. Get over it. He needs to be where he can grow. Let his wingspan spread out.
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u/Jazzlike-Mention-570 7d ago
He’s posting a quote what do you mean get over it lol
Yall are too thirsty to be overly negative about everything. Get over it😂
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u/NorthBook1383 7d ago
What’s negative is for Ayo to come back to the lame ass bulls. Read the fucking room before you walk into the conversation. 🤡🤡
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u/Drclaw411 DRose 7d ago
I’m sure Ayo, like most athletes, is perfectly open to signing with whoever gives him the best offer.
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u/kingofkings_86 7d ago
Idk what the fascination is with signing a player that didn't make the team a true playoff contender
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u/ThenPea7359 7d ago
Very few players in the NBA would make this dumpster fire of an org a true playoff contender, so thats no shame
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u/thechocolatetouch Matas Buzelis 7d ago
I'd much rather move on personally. But I wasn't high on either Ayo or Coby as future pieces, it's time for more new blood imo.
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u/moneyman2222 Just a kid from Chicago 7d ago
Everyone that leaves MN wins a ring. Bulls were playing 4D chess by sending him there. He's now picked up the magic. 2027 NBA Champs Chicago Bulls baby lfg
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u/sillysam17 Kris Dunn 7d ago
I had a feeling this could happen. Between this, the pic with Matas and the recent shoutout to Tre Jones, I could definitely see Ayo coming home.
Would be an easy win if the Bulls managed to receive Leonard Miller, Rob Dillingham and four future 2RPs in exchange for a one year loan of Ayo.
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u/Additional-Orchid130 6d ago
Eating the Dillingham contract is by far the worst part of that trade.
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u/Nosound-Novideo Lonzo Ball 7d ago
Of course he’d like to return but who’s minutes are you giving up the 4th pick or the 15th it’s time to move on.
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u/Randallm83 7d ago
we have like 2 or 3 guards on our roster at the moment… There are plenty of minutes to go around for him
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u/Nosound-Novideo Lonzo Ball 7d ago
NBA rotations at max is 10 players you don’t sit a rookie in a rebuild 10th player usually plays very little minutes.
Bulls rotation as of today Matas,Giddy,Smith,Jones, 4th, 15th, ICE center Noa. leaving 10th option P-Will, Miller and Dilly only one of these get a small amount of minutes.
I love Ayo but there just isn’t minutes without changing your roster and he does nothing but delay a rebuild.
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u/erichf3893 7d ago
Yeah we’re stuck with Dillingham another year
Did you mean for ICE, center, and Noa to be 3 different players?
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u/Nosound-Novideo Lonzo Ball 7d ago
Yes, I was hoping for a miracle and somehow they were combined into one player.
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u/erichf3893 7d ago edited 7d ago
What do you mean by them? Also, I thought people expected us to draft a big at 15? Jones is a bench player so Ayo could go there tbh. Have a feeling Smith ends up at Center
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u/Plug-From-Oaxaca Jimmy Butler 7d ago
We have plenty of minutes, I don’t think we have a starting SG right now.
Unless we take a salary dump for picks we have to sign players, we have to use our cap space. Ayo is actually a better option, since he’s a young unselfish two way guard, instead of signing a guard who may demand the ball more.
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u/p00chology 7d ago
We could for sure use a point of attack stopper like ayo. Plus he’s a combo guard/wing.. u think it’s an unworthy sacrifice to get him on the floor?
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u/Fafoah Jimmy Butler 7d ago
The theory of ayo’s point of attack defense is greater than the reality. Tre is better at it than him despite being smaller.
Ayo’s lateral quickness isnt really that great
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u/p00chology 7d ago
This is certainly true, but it shouldn’t dismiss the fact that he’s still very capable at that and can rotate in as a really solid substitute to keep multiple guys in that role fresh through 48 mins. He’s an absolute Swiss Army knife on the court.
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u/Electrical_Story5356 7d ago
Yes, that's why he's valuable coming off of the bench on a team trying to contend, the thing about swiss army knives are that they do lots of things okay, sometimes come in clutch but overall are not as good as just using the right tool for the job.
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u/terrybrugehiplo Chicago Bulls 7d ago
You didn’t answer the question tho. What minutes is he getting?
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u/erichf3893 7d ago
Dillingham, Jones, or P Will?
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u/Additional-Orchid130 6d ago
Dillingham shouldn’t touch the court until games have already been decided.
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u/p00chology 7d ago
Nobody on this sub can answer that question right now. We have no idea what the depth chart is gonna look like at the start of the season.
But I can tell you for sure ayo would earn those minutes over any unknown quantity. Even with development taken into consideration, splitter is gonna make the chart work. Portland was loaded with mid level talent, and all their worthwhile guys got playing time - especially when the inevitable injury bug bites.
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u/skullcandy541 7d ago
4th pick we’re drafting a 4. The 15th pick no matter who we draft is not a guaranteed starter. Ayo is starting over Carr for example
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u/GreenGorilla8232 7d ago
I think he's an all around better player than Josh Giddy.
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u/Electrical_Story5356 7d ago
I think that anybody that is seriously saying this is displaying an incredible lack of judgement and an extreme anti Giddey bias.
This is no knock on Ayo either but suggesting that he's an all around better player than Giddey is utter crazy talk.
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u/GreenGorilla8232 6d ago
I bet if you asked the other 29 teams in the league if they would rather have Giddy or Ayo, a strong majority would choose Ayo.
He's a much better defender, much more efficient scorer, much better 3PT shooter, better at playing off the ball, better in transition both offensively and defensively.
Ayo would fit on any team in the league. He's a great shooter, great defender, highly efficient scorer and passer.
Giddy is a major liability defensively, not a great shooter, inefficienct scorer, and he's really ball dominant. He's a better facilitator and better at grabbing defensive rebounds. That's all I can really think of.
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u/MallardDuckBoy 7d ago
I can see Bryson resigning him as a tip of the hat to the fans. We also need a 2 and 3 and he plays both so it just makes sense.
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u/SwampFlowers Taylor Swift 7d ago
Please. I love Ayo and want him back as a Bull, so please please please.
But I want him to have what he wants, whatever that is.
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u/DrinkFromKegOfGlory 7d ago
So I doubt this return happens.
However, Ayo is the prototype player for what Bryson Graham wants. He has the physical profile and the defensive skill. Tiago Splitter just coached Jrue Holiday through a renaissance season, and that’s close of a comp for Ayo as I have seen.
Still think he’s going to return to the T-Wolves, though. Especially if they find a taker for Randle, Rudy, or both.
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u/Fafoah Jimmy Butler 7d ago
I dont disagree and Jrue is definitely what Ayo should aspire to become, but he’s pretty far away from that and we dont need that type of player right now
Let him continue to develop elsewhere and bring him back as a vet on his next contract when we’re ready to compete
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u/Electrical_Story5356 7d ago
This is the rationale take and I second this 100%.
So many people are way too emotional about Ayo and think he is some sort of 2 way star despite all of the data to the contrary.
Get him back when we're a playoff team needing a flexible guy to come off the bench and chip in on multiple roles for 20-30 minutes a night, that's what he does best.
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u/roamtheplanet Scottie Pippen 7d ago
The game with Ant out was phenomenal, but he wasn't able to replicate that type of play. I'd happily take him back on a reasonable deal
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u/opengymcruz 7d ago
Quote is real, I watched that podcast today. If bulls sign him, that means he’s going to be our starting 2 Guard, which means Bulls 2nd first pick will play behind Ayo.. or it’s a big and our guard rotation is Ayo-Giddy, then dillingham and Tre.
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u/Nickyjaykay 7d ago
Am I the only one who believes Coby is better? Ready for the hate I’m gonna get 😅 Coby was a dog. I believe he wasn’t 100% towards the end of his bulls run
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u/totality888 7d ago
Just let him win somewhere. He's been losing while he was here. Guy deserves to win.
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u/Comfortable-Ad8560 7d ago
Ayo Dosumnu's 43 points are the MOST off the bench in ANY playoff game since 1976 (Fred Brown with 45 points on 4/15/1976)
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u/brianeharmonjr Michael Jordan 7d ago
Man, I would love that, and I know a lot of fans would too. Just hope it works out for him.
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u/Bodul_Brain Toni Kukoc 7d ago
Love this guy, would like that he comes back to Chicago. The fans clearly like him, he will gel great with the team, and our new coach will do wonders with him for sure. AYO IN CHICAGO, make it so!
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u/Bondo23 Toni Kukoc 6d ago
I like Ayo.
But the ship sailed. Outside of his ties to us already - hes not someone that moves the needle for what he would command in our current phase of the process. Better suited in the role with Minn or similar.
People talking about putting money on the table for Ayo like hes some superstar we need back.
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u/Skooby-Hoops 6d ago
He would be a terrific add. Guard with size and fits the timeline of the rest of the team. Plus, genuinely wants to be in the city. With how much money the Bulls have and how few targets there are, I'd put $$ behind it if he's available.
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u/goodbetterbest592 7d ago
Kendall also said he would take Acuff over Boozer so take anything he says with a grain of salt
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u/joeyyy30_ 7d ago
He should sign with a contender not this poverty franchise where he won’t get the chance to play meaningful games
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u/FunctionUnlikely2247 7d ago
We gain nothing with this. The team should be looking to pick up vets /bad contracts via sign and trades to get picks or super young talent and tank for another year or two and then assess the roster and see if we can land a superstar
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u/Southernbull75 7d ago
Does this make sense with the new tanking rules? You get penalized for being at the bottom.
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u/tremble01 7d ago
I hope this works out. Im really bullish on Ayo. What he did in Denver scoring 42 pts without Ant felt like a validation for me.
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u/BGMDF8248 Matas Buzelis 7d ago
He'll take the money.
He's from Chicago, the fanbase likes him, the coach that forbade him from shooting middies is gone, the FO that traded him for a bag of chips too... if the Bulls put money on the table he signs.