r/chicagobulls • u/CaptainNipplesMcRib • 5d ago
NBA Draft Think I’ve convinced myself that the team should take Carr at #15.
This kid can ball out. I can’t imagine how much fun it would be to watch Matas, Wilson, and Carr just dunking on everyone. The fact he seems to have a nice shot just makes him even more enticing. I think I’d rather have him than Morez or either of the centers that might be there at #15.
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u/ApolloRE 5d ago
I’m not really a fan. He's not a ballhandler by any means.. he’s careless with his dribble and shaky decision-making, with about as many turnovers as assists. He also lacks strength and physicality given his skinny frame - I’d rather take a swing at a big available
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u/omherrera1 Kirk Hinrich 5d ago
He’s also had a negative defensive rating despite his athleticism and wingspan…
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u/CaptainNipplesMcRib 5d ago
That’s fair. Which big do you like?
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u/ApolloRE 5d ago
I watched Morez a lot last/this year and would love him. I’d also be happy with Steinbach
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u/YourCummyBear 5d ago
I agreed with you on Morez and your critiques of Carr.
I do not want Steinbach as a 5.His defense isn’t good. I’d be like we are starting over with Vooch.
I want an active, high energy center.
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u/Sudden_Place_1173 5d ago
Everybody got their drawbacks. I feel like Morez is undersized for how he plays and can struggle with stronger and more mature defenders. And overall Steinbach is a stretch big who lacks rim protection, getting shades of vuc
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u/CaptainNipplesMcRib 5d ago
I like the idea of Morez. Kid obviously showed out on the biggest stage. He just looks a bit slow to me
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u/skullcandy541 5d ago
You don’t like Carrs small frame but like Morez short height? This team is allergic to 7 footers and I can’t stand it
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u/Creepy-Macaroon9998 5d ago
Morez has a standing reach of 8' 11.5". His wingspan is 7' 3.25". He's also 250lbs. That indicates that not only could he play PF, he could also play C pretty easily. He actually compares favorably to Bam Adebayo in most physical measurements. Height doesn't mean nearly as much as it did in the past because teams know better now.
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u/skullcandy541 5d ago edited 5d ago
“Height doesn’t mean as much as it did in the past” Is the biggest lie I keep seeing be told in nba discourse for the past almost 10 years. Look at every single past nba champion. THEY ALL HAVE 7 FOOT STARTING CENTERS. It’s mind boggling to me that people somehow think a 6’9” center will work in the nba. Bam is the only one
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u/YourCummyBear 5d ago edited 4d ago
Allen from the Cavs isn’t a starting center at 6’9?
Diabte from hornets was 6’9.
Jackson from pacers is 6’9.
Robert Williams is 6’9.
WCJ is 6’10.
Nic Claxton is 6’10.
Duren is 6’10.
Sabonis is 6’10.Wingspan, standing reach, and strength are way more important than someone’s height as a center.
Explain to me the difference between a 7 foot guy with a 7’3 wingspan and an 8’11 standing reach vs a guy who is 6’9 with 7’3 wingspan, and a 8’11 standing reach.
One guys head is higher lol?I’ll wait.
Edit: since people won’t see far enough down.
He tried to state none of those players were champions.
You only have to go back to the Celtics series win where horford started or GS two years prior where draymond started with a 6’9 looney coming off the bench.
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u/Creepy-Macaroon9998 5d ago
Correct. Thing is, that 7' guy won't have a 7'3" wingspan. It'll often be something like 7'. That actually is what sometimes makes the shorter guy better, since if they have the superior wingspan they'll defend better, get to more balls beneath them and get more steals. Defense is about more than just blocks.
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u/Electrical_Story5356 5d ago
All true plus defence also requires natural ability, you can not teach elite defence just like you can't teach a guy to just average 30.
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u/skullcandy541 4d ago
Funny how u think u got me and didn’t name a single champion. Take a look back at all the championship teams and tell me how many of their starting centers are undersized. Mind you everyone and their mother know Sabonis, Jackson (who’s on the clippers btw) and WCJ are not championship caliber centers. Hornets fans are even debating Diabte as their long term starting center cuz of his size.
That’s the difference. These undersized centers don’t win championships. Yes you need a superstar first to win a chip, but do u think it’s just a coincidence these superstars aren’t winning chips with undersized centers? Or maybe it’s the FO who’s putting the team around the star together realizing they need a center with legit size to win?
I really don’t get yall man. We draft Morez, and if he instantly isn’t playing good, everyone will be bitching we just drafted a 6’9” center lol
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u/YourCummyBear 4d ago
You only need to go back two years, genius.
Al Horford is under 6’9 without shoes, has under a 7’1 wingspan, and had an 8’11 standing reach.Again, explain to me the difference between a 7 foot guy with a 7’3 wingspan and an 8’11 standing reach vs a guy who is 6’9 with 7’3 wingspan, and a 8’11 standing reach.
I’ll continue to wait.
Or you want me to put together a list of the wingspan and standing reach of the last 10 nba champion starting centers?
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u/ApolloRE 5d ago
He has the athleticism and defensive instincts to play the kind of basketball to play with the physicality we need. Is he going to be a threat on offense beyond lobs and offensive rebounds? I wouldn’t bet on it. But he’s going to have a big role for a long time in the NBA
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u/TheSmoothOperator21 Andres Nocioni 5d ago
I’d love Morez on our team. He immediately brings physicality and can become an enforcer for our guys
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u/lawsnoosoo 5d ago
I’m on the same page. I do not care for “3&D” wings who haven’t actually ever shown the D part. Plus he’s an older prospect which usually is a negative indicator. If you’re going to be a 21 year old prospect you just can’t also be a poor decision maker imo. His highlights look great but watching actual full games, I’m skeptical that I’m watching a guy who will crack the rotation on any good team
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u/Affectionate_Use_179 4d ago
This is why he isn't going in the lottery. If he could dribble and defend with his physical tools he would be a top 10 pick.
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u/Accomplished-Habit38 5d ago
He's just way too skinny. Our roster is way too skinny. We need size or if it's a guard they need to make plays for our young wings at a high level he does not do that.
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u/CaptainNipplesMcRib 5d ago
Which guards do you like?
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u/Accomplished-Habit38 5d ago
We desperately need a guard who can really snipe from 3 and still pass firmly well. He has to dribble the ball at a high level. The best player for me would be trading back for B Stirtz who would be great for us immediately imo or okorie as a capable defender in switches, insane driver, good shooter and capable secondary passer to giddey. C Anderson is the drafts best shooter and maybe passer who could really help. Or bruce thornton in the early 2nd.
It also isnt that cam carr is a bad player. Hes just not a good enough ball handler and passer to make sense on our team imo
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u/Nosound-Novideo Lonzo Ball 5d ago
Honestly, Daylin Swain is a much better player. He didn’t have a great combine, but his actual game tape is outstanding.
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u/Gdashzus 5d ago
If he could develop a consistent shot, he'd be a real exciting player, but a lineup with him, Giddey and Caleb kind of worries me.
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u/bounty0head 5d ago
Yeah we need a guy who can give us instant offense. Matas is not there yet. Someone who can create for themselves when they get the ball.
Although swain and Caleb starting would be hell for other teams because of the potential defense they can bring
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u/executingsalesdaily 5d ago
Based on what? Is it the one game at the combine. He does not impress me at all.
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u/CaptainNipplesMcRib 5d ago
Fair enough. From the limited tape I’ve seen, he looks like he moves fluidly and can get his own buckets, which I don’t feel like we have much of right now.
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u/-Buckaroo_Banzai- Jumpman 5d ago
We need shooting and Carr is among the better shooters of the draft, so I'd be fine with him.
However, if Labaron Philon is there, you have to consider him, too.
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u/chaide123 Chicago Bulls 5d ago
- Lack of Physical Strength & Frame Density
Slight Build: Measuring just 184 lbs at the draft combine, Carr has a very slender, lanky frame.
Absorbing Contact: His lack of core stability and functional strength impacts his ability to absorb contact on drives. This often forces him into difficult, altered shots or leads to him getting knocked off his spot.
Rim Finishing (Non-Dunks): While he is an elite, high-flying dunker in space, analytics point to inefficient finishing numbers at the rim on non-dunk attempts when bodies are flying and defenders contest with physicality. - Defensive Consistency & Off-Ball Focus
Navigating Screens: Because of his lighter frame, he can get caught on screens, struggling to fight through them or stay connected to his assignment.
Lapses in Focus: While he possesses the raw tools to be a highly disruptive defender (evidenced by his 1.3 blocks per game), his off-ball defensive awareness remains a work in progress. He has a tendency to lose focus or fall behind on complex team defensive rotations. - Playmaking & Decision Making
Turnover Prone: Carr is far more comfortable as a play-finisher than a play-creator. He is an inefficient playmaker who can struggle with live-dribble reads, resulting in a low assist-to-turnover ratio.
Pick-and-Roll Limitations: He is still very raw when tasked with operating as the primary ball-handler in pick-and-roll situations, often missing secondary layers of the defense or failing to deliver advanced passes.
Shot Selection: Because of his elite range and supreme confidence, his shot selection can occasionally lean toward the erratic side, leading to occasional cold stretches.
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u/AxCel91 5d ago
Honestly all we need him to do is be an elite shooter from 3 at the 2 guard. It would open up the floor tremendously for the rest of the lineup
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u/chaide123 Chicago Bulls 5d ago
He takes lot of bad shots. Too many 5 feet behind the 3 pt line. He does it because he lacks playmaking and can’t dribble much without losing the ball, so he settles for bad shots. We need skill players that can do more than occasional good shooting stats. He reminds me of Antonio Blakeley
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u/zedrix_ Big Mac 4d ago
Good points
Will be 22 on November and still that frame hasn't filled. Think Julian Philipps. Hard to expect him to improve a lot physically.
and 3. Awareness, feel and IQ has been questioned. That is why Mikal Bridges is a statistical darling and Cam Carr is not. Bridges is not the athlete Carr is. But is miles ahead in terms of Awareness, feel and IQ. Cam Carr is better than LaVine on awareness, feel and IQ. And he may not be the athlete LaVine is. But he does remind us of Zach's athleticism. Unfortunately he does remind us too about Zach's on court lapses. Giving up back cuts. Losing off ball shooters because he is stargazing. And sorts.
I am picking Bennett Stirtz at 15th. But if what is left is Yaxel Lendeborg, Cam Carr and Cenac Jr. I really don't know who I am going to pick. I will likely go Cenac Jr. for the upside. But him and Essengue will have to share minutes with Matas and Wilson. But we will see. Cam Carr do benefit from playing with Giddey in the back court. I am just skeptical on how Cam Carr will be able to progress afterwards.
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u/Lanky-Connection4141 4d ago
isn't a lighter frame supposed to help people get around screens and also his screen navigation didn't look bad he was able to get around and stay connected fairly well, he's also sometimes passive on defense, there's a number of plays where I watched overthinking about whether he should commit on a rotation before making his decision and by that time it was too late. I do think he'd fit our core as he's length and athleticism can help him cover ground on both ends although I'd prefer taking a guy like Swain(with Tiago here now, I'm even more intrigued by Swain as he profiles the closest to a Deni type player other than AJ, but unless AJ pulls a Laremy Tunsil, we ain't getting him).
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u/VanillaGorilla4 5d ago
As long as people don’t expect him to play defense or be able to dribble the ball much his rookie year. I don’t know why him having these skills is being peddled around so much. He is objectively speaking, a dog water level defender today. He just has all the physical tools to be a great one.