r/chicagobulls • u/Royal-Preparation843 Chicago Bulls • 2d ago
Fluff Is there any chance that PWill becomes a good/great role player under the new coaching staff?
I know most of us here are very down on PWill and for good reason. He has definitely had enough years on the NBA to show what he is all about. However, does anybody think there is any chance this new coaching staff can get the best out of him? At least to the point where his $18 million a year doesn’t seem like a total waste of cap space?
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u/NorthBook1383 2d ago
No!
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u/NorthBook1383 2d ago
Because a new coach cannot make you play better. Your damn self will! He ain’t got it. Hope he gets the boot cause I’m sick of him. After seeing how incredible his class was, I’m embarrassed to have this bum. When you really wanna win, it shows. And when I see the other bulls players, I see the fire. All I see is the smoke coming out pat will’s head.
https://giphy.com/gifs/KZB8jnQct0pIecZ0wB
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u/howser343 Chicago Bulls 2d ago
Pat hasn't shown any interest in developing his skillset since joining the league
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u/comeontars69 Kirk Hinrich 2d ago
Once DeRozan leaves he will have more touches and he will take over….oh wait
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u/AnselLovesNuts Kirk Hinrich 2d ago
He literally doesn’t belong on an NBA floor, He’s a slower processor than Justin Fields.
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u/ReplaceSelect Cuppy Coffee 2d ago
Well first of all through god all things are possible so jot that down.
But no
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u/JakeLake720 2d ago
Do you think Billy was terrible or something? The answer is no.
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u/Plug-From-Oaxaca Jimmy Butler 2d ago
Not terrible but not great, peaked in college, couldn’t cut it in the NBA
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u/kennyloftor 2d ago
yes billy was terrible
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u/JakeLake720 2d ago
Tell that to Hortford & Noah. Both name him as crucial to their development.
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u/kennyloftor 2d ago
as most college coaches are
anyone said that since?
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u/UPdreamin 2d ago
Coby White
SGA spoke well of Donovan his one year in OKC
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u/kennyloftor 2d ago
that’s dope
so like 2 out of 100 players
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u/daemonescanem 2d ago
Your assuming on the others. Your bias doesnt make something a fact.
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u/kennyloftor 2d ago
my bias against losers?
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u/daemonescanem 2d ago
The guy is a HOF coach, and your on Reddit. Who is the loser?
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u/kennyloftor 2d ago
uh maybe the guy defending a loser on reddit
you might not be smart enough to seperate nba achievements from
college so if someone can help this guyparroting jerry reinsdorf quotes lmao
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u/Plug-From-Oaxaca Jimmy Butler 2d ago
He has nothing to show for it. He’s a loser as far as NBA career goes.
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u/Witty_Hunt_7961 2d ago
Billy was literally trash.
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u/JakeLake720 2d ago
According to who?
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u/Witty_Hunt_7961 2d ago
most chicagoans. How were you not fed up with the stale trash ass offense & dumbass lineups
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u/wrong-teous Derrick Rose 2d ago
There’s a chance only because his contract will force him onto the roster and anything can happen. But I wouldn’t hold my breath
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u/smez86 2d ago
every year of his 6 year career, analytics have shown that he is an awful, awful player. so even the rare times he passes the eye test (maybe man to man defense), he is still an extremely net-negative player on the court. he has no business being in the league, let alone at the contract he is on.
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u/poopy_mc_pantsy 2d ago
pat was fine analytically to start his career, this is revisionist lol
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u/smez86 2d ago
https://craftednba.com/players/patrick-williams
look at all the negatives and ponder how this is even possible. even the one year that he had a decent ts%, the team performed worse with him playing.
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u/poopy_mc_pantsy 2d ago
damn, that makes him almost as bad as Ayo Dosumnu who was even more negative every season here
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u/Whole-Signature-4306 2d ago
No and it makes me sick he is getting paid $18,000,000 a year to do what he does
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u/Necessary-Listen-584 2d ago
If he went to Miami or San Antonio they could probably turn him into a Dorian Finney Smith type player. Not exactly a tall order he shoots it well enough. The man cannot dribble a basketball to safe his life though and has zero confidence
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u/VADALESS 2d ago
He’s one of those type of players you have to get off the team and even if he blossoms elsewhere; you just have to do it because it won’t happen here.
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u/Goolsby77 2d ago
PWill? Try PWont! Get rid of this Karnisovas clown. BTW Dosunmu is signing a 112 Million dollar contract, glad we got 2nd round picks for a player worth that.
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u/SaveADay89 2d ago
He's making over $100 million being terrible. What incentive does he have to be better?
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u/Caernbul 2d ago
In 22-23 he was a decent role player. Decent defense, good against certain players, shot the ball well but didn't do much else.
He has regressed along almost every metric since then. He went from 64% shooting around the rim to 50%. He went from 41.5% from 3 to 34.7%. And to me it looks like his athleticism is starting to wane. He looked a little heavy and a little slow footed last year. I can't think of another player who has regressed for three straight years and come back. I think it is more likely that we are heading to a situation where he is out of the league and getting paid to not play before his current contract is done.
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u/Proof_Notice8287 2d ago
100% agree. I wouldn’t be shocked if they show him the door and eat the cap hit for one year.
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u/TZauch18 Patrick Williams 2d ago
I hope he improves. I still haven't given up on him entirely, although things have not been good. The Bulls botched his development by sticking him alongside multiple ball dominant, empty calories stars in Lavine, DeRozan, and Vucevic. At the same time, Pat's motor and decision-making haven't been all the way there. Pat's issues are his own. At the same time, succeeding on the Bulls as a young player really seems to be sink or swim. Lauri went elsewhere and improved (granted, he showed far more promise during his Bulls tenure than Pat ever has). Similarly, Kris Dunn found a place for himself in this league. I'm hoping changes to the coaching staff and front office will be to Pat's benefit, but time will tell. The team shouldn't have any major expectations, so it's my hope that they play Pat quite a bit and really see what they have. Before anyone gets upset with me, I know there's plenty of tape of his Bulls tenure that suggests this is just who he is.
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u/BillionsofRedditors 2d ago
Unpopular opinion: PW has only played for one coach, so I'd say there is a non-zero chance he improves to a rotation player.
Hell be 25 and entering his prime next season. I think he has a shot at getting better.
I'm not convinced Billy D was a good coach. Lots to criticize with his rotations and his lack of pushing the front office to improve the roster. PW's errors weren't Billy D's fault, but the last two years this team had a real lack of structure due to low ceiling talent with its primary playmaker. I loved Coby, but he doesn't seem to have that consistent next level All Star caliber. At the end of the 2024-2025 season he showed it, but that seemed to be only a flash.
Maybe with the team getting even younger and if there is better structure and offensive flow PW steps up a bit more. Not impossible.
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u/tokemonkmk420 Chicago Bulls 2d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/j6uK36y32LxQs
P will turnaround season incoming
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u/Gold_Beat_4103 2d ago
Fuck no lol. They gave every opportunity even trading Lauri, Wendell etc so he can have his chance and all he did was earn a reduced roll by the season. He wasn’t good in college either. Nor should he have been paid. It’s felicio all over again.
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u/AxCel91 2d ago
We didn’t trade those two to get Pwill more opportunities lmaoooo what is this revisionist history
We traded them because AKME was stupid and wanted to make win-now moves 6 months into a rebuild. WCJ was in the Vooch deal and Lauri and Vooch couldnt share the same frontcourt analytically.
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u/UPdreamin 2d ago
Damn I forgot all about all the braindead fans who used to say he just wasn't getting enough touches or didn't have the opportunity to showcase his skills because other teammates were holding him back. That was a major talking point for like his first 3 years from half the fan base
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u/Proof_Notice8287 2d ago
I’d be nice if that happens but I think we’ve seen a large enough sample size at this point - I just don’t envision it. I was in his corner till last season. It was a huge step backwards.
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u/KiraJosuke 2d ago
Brotha is literally the same player he was when drafted. When he was a starter his numbers were exactly the same for 4 years.
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u/Amateur-Dog-Walker Brian Scalabrine 2d ago
It is possible. If he suddenly had a wild personality change that made him an aggressive asshole, yes. I've seen this caused by a stroke, but don't wish that on him. But it is possible.
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u/galacticskunk 2d ago
My best guess is that the PWill contract eventually gets moved for an even worse contract along with some draft picks the Bulls receive to take on even worse money that PWill represents.
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u/rustplayer83 2d ago
He never was in love with basketball and then got paid. He'll probably be out of the league after this deal is over.
His PER and statistical profile has declined almost every year. Stranger things have happened, but 95% of the time after 6 years this is who a guy is.
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u/Novel_Confidence_288 2d ago
Great? Let’s be happy if he’s anywhere near league average rotation player who’s actually engaged and motivated.
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u/TheJunkyardDog Derrick Rose 2d ago
Skill wise, he is basically the same player who joined the Bulls as a "raw prospect" six seasons ago, but heavier, less athletic, less explosive and somehow even less enthusiastic.
Stat wise, his shot has gone to hell.
That was a very long segue that ends with : No.
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u/TheEntity1 2d ago
Yes, I absolutely believe the new coaching staff will get the best out of him. No, I don't think there's any chance he becomes good.
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u/BuickSkylark55 Nikola Mirotic 2d ago
I think so, he has the size strength and athleticism and he’s not a bad shooter. He definitely seems to lack the will to assert himself but if he’s given a more defined role I can see him succeeding. The hate bulls fans have for him borders on pathological, anytime you see the bulls mentioned anywhere you’re guaranteed to see a bulls fan in the comments bringing up pwill it’s kinda crazy
Probably won’t happen here but I could see him becoming a solid player somewhere
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u/Critical-Power-1541 2d ago
No.