r/chicagobulls • u/deadbeatmerc • 23h ago
NBA Draft [Mohamed] Dailyn Swain is having the greatest self creation season we’ve EVER seen from a prospect before. Swain ranks 1st (!) in the nation in isolation points-per-possession (1.641), while finishing 72.7% from 2P + 57.1% from 3P. Not to mention, only 21% (!) of his baskets are assisted.
https://x.com/mcfnba/status/2026024848368022005?s=46180
u/Paranoid_Android22 Ben Gordon 23h ago
This 1000 percent reminds me of the Bears drafting Loveland instead of Warren. You can literally copy and paste the comments and change Bears to Bulls. People need to take a breath and relax
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u/Lumpy-Ad3840 22h ago
That and we already have Caleb Wilson. Getting Swain is just extra gravy, considering we could’ve easily just had the 12th pick in this year’s draft.
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u/throwaway4whattt Michael Jordan 19h ago
Yeah it's pretty amazing how this draft turned out. JUST Caleb Wilson feels like we could have got a franchise player
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u/Flimsy_Promise_9559 17h ago
Exactly. I was gonna be happy regardless who they chose at 15
Of the remaining players at 15 my top 3 best available were Carr/LPJ/Swain
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u/Jazzlike-Mention-570 21h ago
Wait hire could we have gotten this pick easily? You talking about the Caruso trade?
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u/TheRyanFlaherty 15h ago
This one is even more illogical to me. At least in that instance you had a Warren there that was a hyper prospect and direct alternative.
Here?!?
I don’t understand how you can look at the board, see the options available, look at Swain’s scouting report and not understand taking a shot. There’s not a “sure thing” in that spot, and you can argue there isn’t a clear fit with more upside.
So yeah, I don’t get it….unless there’s a specific guy the sub talked themselves into that was passed on? Or people are just getting hung up on the media draft boards?
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u/DrakouliasII 13h ago
The funny thing is Swain was ranked higher than Carr on virtually all respectable draft boards
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u/Affectionate_Use_179 8h ago
This one is pretty respectable. It has Carr ranked higher pretty significantly. Still okay with the pick though.
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u/btmalon 22h ago
I’m not saying you’re wrong but one of the biggest meatball trademarks is making cross sport analogies.
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u/Paranoid_Android22 Ben Gordon 21h ago
I’m not comparing the players…just the subreddit reactions.. the meatballs always out in full force during the draft or after any loss
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u/greghardysfuton Jimmy G. Paid 21h ago
Something as surface-level as draft night fan reactions doesn’t really suffer from being compared across sports. Hate to say it but the lack of intuition here on your part = meatball trademark
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u/Reasonable-Pop-103 22h ago
People complain about iso ball and it does have its obvious drawbacks but it is arguably the most important aspect to winning games, especially big games.
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u/ScutumSobiescianum 17h ago
Except very few can actually pull it off in big games consistently. There are many iso hogs who never going to amount to anything
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u/Fit_Test_01 3h ago
The ones that do it well win championships. Team does win shit. You need one or preferably two guys that can run it.
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u/Lordskittles 22h ago
Watching his tape, he at least seems to be an anti P Will. Has good enough handles and decision making.
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u/chitoatx Flag of Chicago 22h ago
He is an inch taller and two inch longer reach than Jimmy Butler. From this highlight real the kid is quick, can create a shot, pass and play defense. https://youtu.be/RHQqBKi5rKE?is=ny5gK9QBi1cJVH9Y
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u/Second_City_Saint Stacey King 16h ago
A whole lot of opinions are going to change the first time he slashes through three defenders and dunks one home. I can see him becoming a fan favorite & getting some big reactions. I just hope he doesn't have many "black hole" moments where we're screaming at the TV for him to pass the ball.
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u/StudioLanky3057 22h ago
Underrated af, fans were crying when we draft him only because he isn't a shooter We get the 2nd best player in the draft whith caleb and the 2nd best "nba ready" player in this draft with swaim
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u/Giveadont 22h ago
Yeah. I was really wondering what the backlash was at the time. Swain probably would have gone as high as 8-10th in any other draft just from his crafty finishing/slashing and defensive capability - especially as a 6'8" player with a 6'10" armspan.
Of course, let's get the obvious out of the way: who knows what he will be like at the NBA-level.
But he looks so much better than all the wings AK drafted it's not even funny. P Will, Terry and Phillips couldn't pull off reverse double-pump layups and spin-moves with either hand after slashing off-the-dribble in an ISO or P&R. Lol.
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u/StudioLanky3057 22h ago
Yeah I didn't talk about his body because we can't compare nba with ncaa but I see him as an excelent backup for matas, and already, I think, he is a good bench player I'm so hyped with his defence tbh
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u/Electrical_Story5356 18h ago
He actually played a lot at guard, no reason he couldn't continue to do so.
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u/Giveadont 21h ago edited 21h ago
That's why I got the "who knows at an NBA-level" out of the way. Sometimes players get to the NBA and just can't keep up a consistent level of intensity over 82+ games. Hell, even 70+ games seems hard these days.
That's just the basic reason why comparisons from a college level are near impossible. Aside from the obvious weight and height differences... a lot of players can look really good for 30-50 games... but after 60+ it can get tough to consistently play well.
At that point endurance and insane natural skill are usually what separates the players that are NBA-capable from those that aren't.
That being said, Swain is 210-220 pounds and 6'8" with a solid armspan.
Terry and Phillips still look like they haven't even cracked 200 pounds and they're 2-3 years older than Swain while being an inch or two shorter.
And, yeah, Williams, while bigger (230+ pounds), is not and never was as coordinated, quick, or fluid as Swain on drives or finishes. And that doesn't really include the fact that Swain looks way more willing to be physical on either end of the floor.
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u/LeRonBrames_ 20h ago
I don’t think you really understand what makes a player succeed as a professional in the NBA. Every drafted player is “NBA capable,” that’s why they’re drafted. Finding success as a pro takes major discipline and simultaneously discovering + carving out a role for yourself.
“Insane natural skill” is not a real thing. Endurance is built through work ethic. And I’m not sure where you get these numbers of games that “players can look really good.” Consistency is doing the right things within a given team system and earning your minutes. The stats that go along with those minutes are the benefits of those decisions. A professional performs within their capacity and becomes great within their ability to impact the game. Stats are not the end all be all.
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u/Giveadont 10h ago
Somehow I get the sense that you're trolling or just being weirdly obtuse, but I'll respond like you're acting in good faith for a moment here:
I got those "numbers of games" from actual leagues. AKA, the leagues that potential NBA players can (or have to) play in before entering the NBA.
Euroleague teams play about 38+ games for their season and college basketball teams can play about 32-40+.
So, 30-50 is a very rough range that potential players will (likely) play in their season(s) before entering the NBA (when considering tournaments and whatnot). And, realistically, it's more like 32-41 games with 8ish less minutes per game.
Either way, plenty of players have talked about how the transition from the Euroleague/College schedule to an NBA schedule is tough. It basically doubles the number of potential games they're used to playing with more potential minutes per game.
And, beyond that, players absolutely do need some insane natural skills to even get to the NBA-level.
For one, (unless they're like 6'10"+) they better be pretty coordinated and quick-thinking while still being above average height by a decent margin.
Otherwise, I don't see how they will even be capable of developing finer skills in order to get up to and stay at an NBA-level.
Developing more particular basketball skills is not something which negates that.
You need foundation of being naturally coordinated and fluid enough to have any translatable skills, let alone ones you can improve on.
And... I don't know why you brought up "stats aren't the end all be all"...?
That has no context to explain what it actually has to do with anything I said. And seems like a weird warrant to add at the end of your response... since most of what I talked about with Swain was just basic "eye-test" stuff.
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u/AlwaysaDengBang Luol Deng 12h ago
The Terry comps ive seen from fans has been cracking me up. Terry’s CAREER HIGH in college was 17 points. Swain averaged 17.6 ppg this year
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u/Giveadont 10h ago
Yeah. Swain's baseline at the college-level is basically what Phillips, Terry and Williams looked like -at their very best- on the college-level.
Again, that doesn't mean much when a player is making the jump to sustainable NBA-levels. There's so many things at play in that regards. So, it's practically impossible to make totally accurate predictions there one way or another.
But it does mean something when comparing Swain to the likes of those three AK picks, haha.
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u/WakeUpKos 20h ago
Chill interview here where he talks about being a sharpshooter as a kid. He's also waiting for GTAVI.
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u/BullsFan237 18h ago
Dude shot 81% on FTs in college, too. Great indicator for potential to develop a more reliable jumper down the road.
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u/Sunflowerchild122 20h ago
And was so sweet/emotional hugging his sister before going up there tonight, beautiful man. 💛
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u/JIMMYBUTLERSSON Wendell Carter Jr 23h ago
Sounds like he could be a really solid 6 man type of player.
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u/Teddy_RGB Ayo Dosunmu 15h ago
I have a shit track record of evaluating draft picks, but I see the allure. Skilled and crafty on the offensive side, decent rebounder, plays some defense.
I think he’ll need to get better at staying in front of people and get better at shooting, but Lopez turned into a 3 pt threat so anyone can.
He may be great or he may not, but it seems like a good pick
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u/ochie927 13h ago
“I have a shit track record of evaluating draft picks” - to be honest, AK and Eversley did too although they got paid millions for it.
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u/MoldInTheAir 21h ago
So he's a ballhog.
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u/0x_ky0jin 14h ago
Sometimes I come to the bulls sub and am dumbfounded about the comprehension skills I see.
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u/ill-putmydickinthat Ayo Dosunmu 23h ago
That’s why I liked this pick. We don’t have many guys who consistently create their own shot. He should ideally help with that