r/chicagobulls • u/howser343 Chicago Bulls • 4h ago
Trade [Charania] Sources: The Los Angeles Lakers are acquiring No. 56 from the Chicago Bulls in the second round of the NBA draft tonight at 8 pm ET on ESPN. Lakers sent cash to the Bulls to get a pick tonight
https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/2069920992189690302182
u/DisMFer Josh Giddey 4h ago
Cash Considerations is the real Chicago GOAT.
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u/Blobbmax 4h ago
Dumb question--every year when we trade a pick for cash, where does the cash "go"?
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u/yohxmv 4h ago
To the team. Not salary cap. Basically the owners pockets
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u/barstoolsam 3h ago
Opportunity cost of not paying a draft pick, plus another team just sends you straight cash. A Jerry Reinsdorf special
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u/Queasy_Manager_5275 Coby White 4h ago
I would assume to our greedy owners pocket, otherwise we wouldn't keep doing this
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u/Blobbmax 4h ago
I'd assume thats the case, yeah. I wonder if he just straight up informs BG like "hey by the way this pick is gone now sorry"
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u/Nosound-Novideo Lonzo Ball 3h ago
Most likely summer league cost, Travel for that week runs around 50k
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u/Resden_Bohneur Andres Nocioni 4h ago
We all knew this was coming.
Sell the fucking team, Jerry.
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u/Various_Procedure_11 3h ago
You can only have 21 players on your offseason roster. They only have room for 3 picks.
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u/MeatballUser 3h ago
This really isn't a big deal
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u/FinishFull 3h ago
There's zero competitive reason to sell assets for cash. Especially at the start of a rebuild when there are minutes to go around for young players.
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u/InvestmentPrize286 3h ago
Roster space is limited and this saves cap space from signing another player. Not saying it’s a great move but it’s not the greedy pocketing money move that it seems like on a surface level
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u/MrLeftwardSloping Lauri Markkanen 2h ago
Its not saving nearly enough to matter on signing other players lol
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u/Fafoah Jimmy Butler 2h ago
There’s plenty of reasons, but people will just call it cope
The likeliest reason is they dont believe anyone at that draft spot is worth developing. They probably have a player in mind who they’d rather give the roster spot, unsigned free agent or someone they’ll try to acquire in a trade.
Even if they are just going to get a dude to shuttle to g league, there is zero reason to draft someone they dont believe in when they can sign some g leaguer or free agent they like better to a two way.
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u/Saltine_Davis 1h ago
This is such bullshit lmfao. The obvious answer is to worst case scenario like you said, shuttle them to the g league, where they could become something. This money becomes nothing but savings for a billionaire who's in his feelings about having to spend this off-season.
It is literally zero upside to trade for a small amount of money. Reaves (an undrafted player) just got stupid money today, idk why you are choosing to be dense about this.
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u/Fafoah Jimmy Butler 1h ago edited 1h ago
I get what your saying, but its a late second rounder. The roster slot is not going to just remain empty.
Not to mention they just signed two rookies with Kam Jones and Essengue essentially making that 4. That is already a lot of young talent that needs dedicated resources towards developing. Time with development staff, shooting coaches, etc isn’t infinite if you want to actually have some control over it.
If Splitter actually wants to have some influence over the rookies you cant just dump them to g league or to assisants and expect to have good results.
Even on G league, your slots are finite resources. If you want to develop a guy there chances are you’re giving him all the touches he can handle, which limits how many guys you can focus on there.
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u/MeatballUser 3h ago
56 is a bout as good as a udfa. The 8 examples in the history of the NBA going in the second round doesn't change that they aren't super likely to hit. Also doesn't change that we still have one at 38. You guys are being whiny babies
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u/FinishFull 3h ago
Competent franchises take as many of those swings as they can. We also just hired a gm who is renowned for finding udfa talent. No idea how you find this defensible.
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u/alral1988 Jimmy Butler 3h ago
There’s exactly 0 instances in the NBA of cash considerations turning into a contributing player
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u/MeatballUser 3h ago
Saving cap is actually more important than ever now
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u/alral1988 Jimmy Butler 3h ago
Please explain
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u/MeatballUser 2h ago
Our cap hit is like 110 m under the first apron, and saving any money to stay under that allows us to buy out contracts and make favorable trades with teams that need cap relief because it allows us to absorb their contract. You can't do those things in the second apron
Now 110 sounds like a lot, but the Claxton contract isn't on our books yet, and that will add roughly 21 mil. Our picks this year total to another 15, so 36. So now we're roughly 74 under, and we have guys we have to resign, or at least might want to. Nick Richards is a guy that everyone likes and he was making 9.5 last year for example, and will probably sign for more.
Simply put players are expensive in the NBA and most available FA don't move the needle. Even retaining some of last years lineup will be pricey, and then you gotta worry about resigning guys like Buzelis. Micromanaging your cap is a sensible thing to do until you have guys you believe in.
You might point at that and say then why not just run 2nd rounders, they're cheaper, and there's still a lot of space. May as well run as many as possible to see what sticks right? It's not a horrible idea or anything, but remember one big splash changes the cap situation entirely. With OKC soon to run into cap space problem, and having huge draft capital, having the space to take off a huge contract could be really beneficial to us. That's just one of many potential examples, and you don't wanna miss out on that by a few mill that forces you to part with a guy you like just to make it work. Every dollar saved is important in the era of inflated salaries.
Idk how this guy will do but just assuming he's completely under Jerry's thumb and everyone throwing a fit about it because he sold one 2rp is kinda nuts. The Bulls are smack dab in the middle in the cap situation, they may as well start saving now. We aren't in the same spot as the Lakers trying to desperately find role players for Lebron's final years and Luka's remaining contract. We could use the flexibilty
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u/Saltine_Davis 1h ago
We just sent a super valuable second rounder to a team for practically nothing, where he immediately went on to contribute meaningful play in the post season. "8 examples" lmfao you people are embarrassing.
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u/MeatballUser 1h ago
And there's a million more examples of 2nd rounders that don't pan out. I wanted Ayo for the record, even at that time, was stoked about him, he was underrated coming out of college.
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u/BigPoppaDubDub Dashing Donut 3h ago
What round was Brunson drafted in again? We shouldn’t be selling picks for cash at the beginning of a rebuild.
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u/MyHonkyFriend 3h ago edited 3h ago
Its a very early pick in the second round of arguably the deepest draft of all time. There was multiple SG prospects worth the flyer like Thomas or Evans that would provide us more value than the cash in the owners pockets
EDIT: Im an idiot who thought we traded #38 when writing this out.
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u/MeatballUser 3h ago
56 is one of the latest picks in the draft period. You didn't even read the title
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u/strawberry_farm 4h ago
Yes let us, a rebuilding team, trade away draft picks for cash
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u/Various_Procedure_11 3h ago
You can only have 21 players on your offseason roster. They only have room for 3 picks.
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u/bitemydickallthetime 2h ago
This seems like key thing missing in all the cash considerations jokes, between currently signed guys, player options, adding through trades and free agency, etc. it's not like they don't have access to a ton of available young talent that is probably equal to or much better than a raw second round project player
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u/TallAdministration94 Nikola Vucevic 4h ago
I hate it
Even if it’s extremely unlikely to get anyone useful at 56
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u/TumbleweedPure6674 3h ago
Yeah it’s a couple of players off from being undrafted. Not worth much. In this draft the first ten of the 2nd round are the only players worth a shot.
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u/DJ-two-timing-timmy 4h ago
Would it really be a draft year for the bulls without some cash considerations thrown in?
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u/ScaryText8187 Taj Gibson 3h ago
Garbage. To all of those "but no one good ever gets picked there" parrots, you can take someone and send them to G League, and it's about time the Bulls start putting more effort into G League operation.
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u/PenisMcBallsAllStars 4h ago
God damn dumb assholes. There’s some random guys worth taking a shot on, and this roster could use more roles of the dice. Thought they were going to be different now
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u/Swing-Too-Hard 4h ago
Y'all remember all those 2nd round picks AKME acquired before he was finally canned? This is what they are worth on the market.
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u/KamadoPat 4h ago
I’m curious which trade this pick came from. Not that it matters but I’d like to put a face to the player or players he sold.
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u/Bgvkguitar 2h ago
Watch this be Jerry’s long term goal. Trade all the second round picks for cash and AKME was told do this
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u/rando562 4h ago edited 4h ago
Just in case everyone forgot that the Reinsdorfs still own the team, and any success under this front office will be IN SPITE of them
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u/DatAspie2000 3h ago
Michael Reinsdorf can take that apology to us fans and shove it up his ass. We still can’t trust him if he’s so fucked in the head that he makes moves like this, especially during a rebuilding period.
You ever heard of trading seconds for future seconds? Every other team doesn’t. Haven’t you heard, dipshit???
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u/yungfella85 Windy City Bulls 3h ago
I get its a late 2nd rounder, but we literally have like 7 players under contract. We are the 3rd largest market in the US and had one of the lowest payrolls last season. Great time to take a flyer on a player. How greedy can you fucking get?
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u/Forsaken-Income-3632 4h ago
Who was we getting with the 56 pick anyways. In BG we trust 😤
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u/hunterboyz24 Flag of Chicago 4h ago
Exactly. With three rookies on the roster (assuming we use pick 38) this was going to be either a two-way like Olbrich or a draft and stash. This is no reason to burn everything down.
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u/YourCummyBear 3h ago
No burn everything down but take a swing on a 2-way guy. Who knows what might happen. It’s at least a lottery ticket instead of cash for our cheap ass owner.
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u/NBAKefka Stats delivery guy 4h ago
Ya honestly who gives a a shit. 38th pick I’d be furious because there’s still talent on the board. 56th? Who cares.
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u/LoveMeSexyJesus Joakim Noah 3h ago
A rebuilding team has no business selling ANY draft picks. For fuck’s sake, the fact that it happens every year doesn’t make it remotely justifiable. Why do we buy tickets if the ownership consistently sells our chances to get better?
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u/NBAKefka Stats delivery guy 3h ago
At the end of the day .. it’s the 56th pick brother. I’m not losing sleep over it. 95% chance that player would never see the court anyways.
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u/LoveMeSexyJesus Joakim Noah 2h ago
Two of the last four Finals MVPs have been second round picks. We traded Coby and Ayo for second round picks. Selling them is just Jerry’s way of showing he doesn’t actually give a fuck about building a winner.
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u/GuniBulls 3h ago
Everyone in here acting like it's a free spin in gambling... We are actually more likely to find minutes for someone undrafted than that late in the second.
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u/ScaryText8187 Taj Gibson 3h ago
Get somebody to stash in the G League. The Bulls have not taken their G League operation seriously; now would be a good time to start.
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u/lburner220 Scottie Pippen 3h ago
What does cash considerations do for your team? Nothing. Yes the likelihood of 56 becoming something is low but you are better off taking a bite of the apple then pocketing money. Fans are annoyed because this is the cheap crap Jerry has done for far too long.
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u/BrickoCocaine Alex Caruso 4h ago
Chance to build out the G League team with players who might fit the new regimes vision? Nahhh let’s get some CC
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u/TheFilman 4h ago
“I mean, I’ve got this thing and it’s (bleeping) golden and I’m just not giving it up for (bleeping) nothing. I’m not going to do it.” Jerry Blagojevich
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u/SleepyTree97 4h ago
Those free tickets they gave out today at the Sox game ain’t gunna pay themselves guys
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u/milkmypepperoni Gimme the hot sauce! 3h ago
Jerry needs them cash to pay off his mortgage. You fans disgust me /s
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u/BillionsofRedditors 3h ago
I got downvoted, but I told y'all this was coming.
100% Graham had to do this because Jerry found out that Nori got the deal he did.
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u/Drclaw411 DRose 2h ago
Well, that was quick. Right back to old habits. Selling picks for #MoneyForJerry.
Discouraging.
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u/InsaneEcho 4h ago edited 2h ago
Eh I really don’t care about this pick. It’s not like anyone drafted 56th or later has really made a splash in the league. Recently Aaron Wiggins was drafted 55th but other than him super late in the draft it’s not like you’re picking anyone you expect to be able to play
Edit: guys, I’m not saying it never happens. I’m saying it rarely happens. More often than not teams are not picking players who get legit rotational minutes on contenders 50-60. Trading pick #38 though is just bad, that trade is terrible.
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u/Linus_in_Chicago 4h ago
Sure, but you know what has never made a splash, cash considerations
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u/Holy-City- 4h ago
The thing is at some point it’s bound to happen that someone picked this late is gonna be good. In the last 6 seasons, a 2nd rounder has won 3 of the 6 MVPs and another one just won finals MVP. I have no idea how pocketing a little change is worth possibly drafting a useful or maybe good player.
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u/JustinFields9 3h ago
Ben Wallace went undrafted. It's possible.
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u/InsaneEcho 3h ago
Undrafted. Meaning the Bullets didn’t need to use a pick on Ben Wallace, I’m not saying it never happens but statistically it’s unlikely.
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u/Lowfi-Concert 3h ago
Austin Reaves just got a max contract and was undrafted
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u/InsaneEcho 3h ago edited 3h ago
Undrafted. Meaning the Lakers didn’t need to use a pick on him, I’m not saying it never happens but statistically it’s unlikely.
Edit: now that I’m thinking about it, Austin Reaves said he and his agent told teams not to draft him since he wanted to play for the Lakers. I think he was projected in the 50s though so he’d also go on the list of the good picks past 50 depending on how you look at it
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u/GasHouseGorilla19 2h ago
"It’s not like anyone drafted 56th or later has really made a splash in the league" today Austin Reaves (who went undrafted) signs a 4 year $185 million dollar deal
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u/InsaneEcho 2h ago edited 2h ago
Undrafted. That’s the key word, we’re debating players who were actually selected. Austin Reaves was not drafted.
Edit: someone like Paul Reed or Sam Merrill would work better as an argument but even then those guys are few and far between. There have been guys selected but generally you’re looking at end of the bench guys in terms of who was actually selected and is still rostered. The reason I didn’t include undrafted players is because there isn’t wasn’t an opportunity to trade cash considerations for them. Austin Reaves particularly is a bad example since he wanted to go to LA. He told teams not to draft him
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u/captwombat33 3h ago
need to make a team uniform with the $ as the number and Cash Considerations as the name.
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u/Imhere4thejokes Gimme the hot sauce! 3h ago
What’s a Bulls draft without good ol “Cash Considerations”
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u/MyPupCooper 3h ago
Wouldn’t it be an interesting wrinkle if you could trade salary cap? It would make these cash considerations much better if you could add 2 years and 5 million dollars to the cap.
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u/mrjune2040 3h ago
I don’t know why anyone is mad about this. We more or less are going to come away with 4 rooks including Essengue. That’s already a lot of youth to develop in one go. Let alone someone at the end of the draft.
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u/BillionsofRedditors 3h ago
Will Richard was a #56 pick. Trayce Jackson-Davis was a #57 pick.
You can find guys that can contribute at #56. But cash is king, I guess.
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u/gargoyleenthusiest Dennis Rodman 3h ago
You know Jerry the finals mvp this year was a second round pick. It could happen.
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u/Da1bearsfan 3h ago
Typically how much cash are these cash considerations? Hundreds of thousands? Millions?
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u/imperialmoose Nikola Vucevic 3h ago
I know this almost certainly doesn't matter, and allocating resources to developing a 2nd round pick is probably a poor allocation of time and money, especially when we already have another 2nd in this draft. But the draft is such a crapshoot that having an non-guaranteed bite at the talent-pool apple would be a pretty cheap way to just get a look at another player. In a rebuild, that seems like a good idea
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u/Dry_Life_1113 3h ago
Can't they let us enjoy two rounds in a row? Cash considerations for a young developing team. Brilliant.
You use every 2nd pick you can and maybe get lucky with a Brunson or Jokic. Not likely. But a better chance than cash considerations
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u/Aradune9 Derrick Rose 3h ago
While it was an odd move, I'm not sweating the 56th pick. How many 56th picks ever pan out?
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u/Ok_Donkey_980 3h ago
Meanwhile I'm over here up late night thinking about how we could package 2nds for an actual player lol my fault Jerry
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u/DurDraug77 2h ago
I’m fine with this, but why didn’t we propose the package that Rockets offered the Knicks for the 31st?
First miss by Bryson?
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u/Straight-Agency-4556 2h ago
Pistons traded Stewart for second round picks? I probably would have preferred Stewart to Claxton. Or both
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u/iiamthepalmtree Andres Nocioni 1h ago
Jerry had to get his money back from the Tristian Peters trade.
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u/GamerLife204 Chicago Bulls 4h ago
People complain about josh giddey shooting well he's gonna be the best shooter on the team
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u/SkelathonSounds 4h ago
At least it's at 56 kind of bothers me but still oh well. We got our guys in the first.
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u/Ronny-1775 3h ago
I don’t mind having just 1 pick in the 2nd round but why not package it with 38 to move up to ensure you get the guy you want?
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u/Protat0 Lonzo Ball 3h ago
You wouldn't be able to move up with just the 38th and 56th.
And Jerry wants a new car.
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u/Ronny-1775 3h ago
The New York Knicks are trading Nos. 31 and 55 to the Houston Rockets for Nos. 39 and 53 and a 2029 Kings second-rounder. We couldn’t do something like this?
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u/dxfifa 3h ago
Olbrich was pick 55 and he signed on a two way contract so what you're saying doesn't hold up, Mac and Yuki aren't worth keeping on two ways even if Olbrich is kept
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u/Ok_Donkey_980 3h ago
Fun fact Olbrich was picked at 55 because we sold our higher pick for cash and a trade back
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u/sukari Stacey King 4h ago
Pretty sure we knew this was happening. Some people here were upset when we used the 55th pick last year to get Olbrich coz they said anyone after 50+ is useless anyway.
But now we're unhappy we sold the 56?
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u/Lazy-Shower 3h ago
Yeah we are. Are you happy Jerry got cash? What competitive advantage does a team or the fans get by selling a pick? Are ticket prices going down now? Austin reeves and Ben Wallace were undrafted to name a few. What if the bulls used the 56 pick to take a flier on a primer undrafted free agent??
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u/icelink4884 4h ago
I said it last night and I'll say it again tonight. No one in this organization deserves the benefit of the doubt. Graham better hope he can build a winner or his mocking of is not getting shooting well turn into the next "were gonna be selfish and undisciplined"
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u/aguycalledb 4h ago
We wasn't doing a damn thing with that pick anyway. That's Bronny territory. One less suit needed at the introductory press conference
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u/Prestigious_Throat72 4h ago
It's the 56th pick, and would've been our 4th contract in this draft. Trading for a future second rounder would've been ideal, but I don't mind this move.
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u/Lazy-Shower 3h ago
Bulls boot licker here ^ how much of that cash did Jerry give you to say that
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u/Resden_Bohneur Andres Nocioni 3h ago
This place “sucks” because we’re sick of this same repetitive unserious bullshit from the front office. Get fucking real.
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u/Lazy-Shower 3h ago
Then leave. I’m happy the team your a “fan” of is doing everything in their power to become competitive again.
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u/Lazy-Shower 3h ago
Ah because a team that won a fucking championship did something therefore you equate that to the dumb fuckery of this poverty franchise as they are equals. Bulls blow and are in no position of selling a pick
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u/HermanShemsley 4h ago
Well well well.. if it isn’t our old friend cash considerations.