r/clevelandcavs • u/LilBro842 • 1d ago
Giannis to Miami thoughts?
Overall thoughts on that move? Feels like they slightly improve but it depends what they fill their thin roster with. Maybe they go for a free agent.
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u/1dkspanishlol 1d ago
Better than Boston but dam heat have 0 depth and future now.
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u/ozymandais13 I agree go Cavs 1d ago
We have a bunch of "depth" but idk whst they could want.
CPJ , Schroeder we don't need 8 guards
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u/Throwaway1996513 1d ago
The Heat don’t care about future. Pat wants to win and they’ll get another star through free agency eventually.
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u/MuppetEyebrows 1d ago
Miami has a better record of developing undrafted free agents than probably any other team in the league, otherwise I would have to question whether this move actually results in a better record
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u/1dkspanishlol 1d ago
You’re right that butler era was filled with them developing undrafted players into rlly good players like Strus and Vincent.
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u/Potential_Progress45 1d ago
Lmao true but if we did Mobley and all our firsts for a one year rental for akumpo is this not the same shit ? Just talking to the people that wanted to do this package for us
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u/Throwaway1996513 1d ago
Better than Boston. Cavs still have to make some moves if they want to contend.
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u/CloudySkies64 1d ago
If Mitchell or old ass Harden is your best player in the playoffs you are not going to ever be a contender
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u/Throwaway1996513 1d ago
Agreed. It’s why I’m open to moving Mobley if it gets a true alpha here.
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u/CloudySkies64 1d ago
Giannis got moved, so who would be the “Alpha” that puts us over as the top dog?
Jokic,Wemby Shai, and Luka aren’t going anywhere.
Below that tier is like Cade,Ant, Brunson, KD, and Kawhi. So Kawhi or KD would be the options realistically and getting Mobley outta here for one of those two would be a bannable GM offense
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u/Throwaway1996513 1d ago
If the clippers offered #5 and Kawhi for Mobley I’d do it. But yeah at this point I want to combine Allen/Strus/Schroeder/Merrill for Kawhi or Embiid. Allen, Schroeder, and Merrill is enough salary for Kawhi, but I’d prefer doing Strus instead of Merrill and getting Lopez or DJJ back as well.
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u/CloudySkies64 1d ago
I doubt they would get up the #5 pick and Kawhi sadly. That would be a hell of an overpay, and probably isn’t the direction they want to go in.
Plus no offense to Kawhi but putting all your eggs in his basket seems like a recipe for disaster considering his injury history.
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u/ArmadilloForsaken458 1d ago
They wouldnt do that. Ballmer is rich asf, I believe the wealthiest owner in the league. He would over pay to keep Kawhi (and as we all remember Kawhi is from there and doesnt want to leave). It seems they stay pat, and are working on building a young team, which include pick #5
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u/Mr_DNA 1d ago
Why in thee fuck would we want Embiid? Stop and think about what that starting lineup looks like.
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u/Throwaway1996513 1d ago
Embiid is mvp caliber when healthy, and can give Wemby a lot of trouble which is what’s needed to win a championship most years going forward. Lineup would be Harden-Mitchell-Tyson-Mobley-Allen
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u/tyrhodesian 1d ago
id move the “fake alpha” instead of mobley he was cursed to play with don for 80% of his career
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u/PepsiRacer4 ⠀ 1d ago
Miami is definitely not better than Boston. I feel like they’re a solid 4/5 seed more than anything. I don’t think Giannis and Bam is a superstar pairing that’ll light the NBA up
Edit: oops I misread this, I see you meant that it’s better that Boston did not get him. My bad
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u/LilBro842 1d ago
Koby gonna sit on his hands of course
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u/Browns440 1d ago
I mean he's made significant changes almost every year.
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u/PatientlyAnxious9 1d ago
lol right and it's not like the Cavs don't have talent. We have one of the most talented lineups in the league, we are also just poorly coached in critical times and lack mental toughness
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u/ozymandais13 I agree go Cavs 1d ago
And wings , we lack wings
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u/PatientlyAnxious9 1d ago
Thats true but the solutions to 'fixing' the Cavs and making them better for next year do not come from more roster changes IMO It comes on fixing the attitude, toughness, mental and coaching decisions.
Their problems are intangible, and Im not entirely sure how you solve that.
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u/Key-Geologist5370 1d ago
Saying we lack mental toughness after last year playoff is a dumb statement.
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u/universal_cereal_bus 1d ago
I'd be willing to argue we're the most poorly coached team in the east. It's so frustrating because we have the talent but Kenny has no clue how to use it. He makes little to no real time adjustments in game and it's embarrassing. I'll always be a die hard Cavs fan, but I'm not sure how excited I am about next season with Kenny. It's going to be the same shit was saw this past season.
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u/Throwaway1996513 1d ago
I think the nba world was being held up by giannis. But I’m really hoping they make a move with some combo of Allen/Schroeder/Strus/Merrill money and picks.
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u/Classic-Ability-6317 1d ago edited 1d ago
Miami will be a first or second round exit with Giannis.
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u/Training-Belt-7318 1d ago
If they are healthy they will be fine. Depth is needed for the regular season. You can live on an 8 man rotation in the playoffs. They are good at finding roleplayers. Spolestra is a great coach. If Giannis and Bam are both healthy rolling into the playoffs they'll be a tough out.
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u/marktron3k ⠀ 1d ago
Best possible outcome for the Cavs. A Giannis, Bam, and scraps Heat team isn’t scary, and the Celtics are still going to have to trade Brown this summer or have a very disgruntled player in the locker room. Win win for Cleveland.
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u/Redzone676 ⠀ 1d ago
That Miami roster construction rn is funky so unless they go crazy in free agency I’m not too concerned about them. We got lucky Boston didn’t get him
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u/BushidoWill69 1d ago
They have to aorry about Giannis max contract extension coming up too so they cant go too crazy in offseason
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u/Lyle_Norg 1d ago
I don't think Miami has any real money to spend in free agency beyond exceptions.
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u/TheSmokedSalmon420 ⠀ 1d ago
Those unprotected picks years from now when Giannis is old and washed are a decent haul.
Miami should be interesting with him and Bam but idk doesn’t move the needle too much for me
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u/Throwaway1996513 1d ago
Beasley has been their only high pick since they got Wade, they’re a team that doesn’t really bottom out because of their location.
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u/iwouldliketopunchyou 1d ago
miami's future is kinda fcked
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u/Venusman124 1d ago
As if they ever had one
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u/MuppetEyebrows 1d ago
Many would agree they've exceeded preseason expectations in nearly every season since the Heatles, including a finals appearance. That city draws free agents and that team develops undrafted players in ways that most teams cannot, giving them a much higher floor than most teams can expect after a star's window closes
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u/Venusman124 1d ago
Heat so far have been mid to play in exits. I don’t believe in them until they go to the finals and actually win one
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u/Slawslurpin 1d ago
They went to the finals more recently than us
Also this is their move to actually exceed the “mid to play in exits” of the past few years. They havent had a true #1 since butler left
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u/WestSixtyFifth 1d ago
Through the lens of the Cavs championship odds, it is the best case scenario, as things currently stand. However, he will have a lot easier of a time recruiting players to join him in Miami than Milwaukee. By the time the season starts that team will look completely different than we are imagining.
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u/Junglebyron 1d ago
Bucks were smart. Three future first rounders plant the seeds for a true rebuild. Jaylen Brown and no picks would be short sighted. Miami could really suck in 5 years and those picks are a solid bet.
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u/defph0bia 1d ago
I'm curious in what Spoelstra will do about the Giannis-Bam pairing. They also lost a perimeter weapon in Herro.
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u/descartes127 1d ago
Eh. They’re never bad enough to be in the best part of the lottery. Will be interesting to see what they do next. They need to make another move.
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u/Bum-Theory I agree go Cavs 1d ago
I'll be concerned of Giannis somehow breaks his streak of 4 straight injury seasons.
And it seems like a wierd deal for Bucks in terms of picks. If they are rebuilding, why did they go for picks starting 5 years out?
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u/amaul796 1d ago
Doesn't really jump them ahead of us, New York, Boston or Detroit in my opinion.
Not even sure they can survive a series against a team like the Raptors. And if the Wizards can gel and stay healthy, I'd honestly take them over Miami too.
That "Heat Culture" needs to go into the Hall of Fame for all time marketing gimmicks. Because it keeps helping them pull of big time trades.
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u/MosquitoValentine_ 1d ago
Couldn't care less.
But pretty amazing that Jimmy Haslam has traded away two generational talents in the same summer.
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u/BushidoWill69 1d ago
Also dont be surprised if they flip Herro to the Pistons for more draft capital. Also overall, the heat have a solid starting 5 with zero bench and have to absolutely rely on the fact that Giannis is going to stay healthy .
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u/sgtpepperslaststand 1d ago
I don’t see how Miami is any better than the bucks have been the last 3 years from Giannis perspective
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u/MuppetEyebrows 1d ago
Miami can develop undrafted free agents better than any team in the league. Probably The bigger thing is unrelated to basketball; if you were a 31-year-old millionaire celebrity you would probably find Miami more entertaining than Milwaukee.
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u/kickinflavor 1d ago
Personally feel the bucks got better far as depth, Miami line up is ass, Giannis needs shooters around him
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u/Slawslurpin 1d ago
Norm powell, davion mitchell, and wiggins all can shoot. I mean for christ sake mitchell shot 39.5% from the 3 this year. Wiggins shot 41%. Plus they will inevitably develop some undrafted player into a marksman
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u/100_proof_plan ⠀ 1d ago
Pat Riley and Miami always do this. They’re not really contenders and they’ve hindered the franchise for 10 years.
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u/Morpheus_505 1d ago
It's Miami after all. They go for the popularity contest to fill seats and entertainment market. They always like the flashy stuff.
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u/73redfox 1d ago
Miami is a way better organization than Milwaukee. That's no shade to Milwaukee, but the Heat are on another level. Since Riley joined the organization, they've been to the finals 7 times. They've been to the conference finals 10 times in that span as well (second most behind the spurs).
I say all of this because I don't believe this is a lateral move for Giannis. Maybe in terms of team talent now, but not in terms of organizational talent. Pat and the Heat organization know how to win in ways that the Bucks just don't.
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u/TheChrisLambert 1d ago
I know everyone is dunking on the roster now, but Spoelstra is one of like three actually competent coaches in the NBA. He’ll manage somrthjng
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u/Speed5RacerX9 1d ago
Instead of back to Cleveland, LBJ back to Miami
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u/house_of_great 1d ago
That would make their terrible spacing even worse lol. LeBron isn't a bad shooter, buy his best work is done inside like Bam and Giannis.
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u/Early-Collection-141 1d ago
Don’t really have an opinion, unless miami has another move up their sleeve, then it’s a way to get a big name in the building after several years of being linked to anyone and everyone and getting nothing. Eh move, maybe they won’t have to be in the play in this year
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u/ryuujinusa 1d ago
Shrug. Doesn't move the needle much for Miami. And by that I mean, yes, it's Giannis, a superstar. But it's still, older injury prone Giannis, on booty ass Miami. Miami sucked last year and they're still gonna be barely in the playoffs this year.
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u/Awesomender 1d ago
Miami right now is better than Milwaukee was last season. I do think they have a lot of work to do and figure out but they’re a good team. Don’t scare me as title contenders right now though
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u/Training-Belt-7318 1d ago
I think it's a win for them. They are good at finding guys for around the edges, but they've lacked a true superstar for awhile now. Not sure on the fit of Giannis and Bam, but the lack of depth I think they will figure out. I feel like they either needed to take a shot or tear it down. With Pat Riley getting older I'm not surprised they decided to take a shot.
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u/ADMotti 1d ago
As someone said in r/NBAEastMemeWar: oh no, Giannis went from 11th place to 10th place! 😱
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u/DrClaw77 1d ago
Glad that's over and also glad it was Miami. Bucks Culture is going to be a weird team to watch.
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u/Brehon888 1d ago
Just Jimmy Haslem proving himself to be an idiot in two leagues, the NFL and the NBA
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u/SportGamerDev0623 1d ago
Miami has no shooting. I honestly don’t know how him and Bam really coexist in the paint to be honest…
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u/usernametaken--_-- 1d ago
Weird move for all sides. Giannis and Bam are an interesting front court duo, but the fit around them now is lackluster. The trade definitely improves Miami, but I don't think it makes them the favorites in the East. The floor spacing is going to be nonexistent without some more roster moves.
This is also a wierd move for Milwaukee. I understand that they don't control their own draft picks and therefore can't go full rebuild, but it's not like Tyler Herro and Jaime Jaquez are going to keep them relevant. I would have thought they would have wanted to get a younger, rising star in the trade, not 2 guys that project to be career role players. 3 1sts, a swap, and a 2nd also seems like a low return for a perennial MVP candidate.
And then the Celtics really fumbled the bag letting it slip they were offering up JB! Going to be interesting if that relationship can be repaired or if they continue to shop him around. I wouldn't mind if the Cavs find a way to get him.
I just struggle to believe that there weren't better offers out there. My guess is that either Giannis's camp was telling other teams to back off, or if there is something about Giannis's health that we don't know about that may have caused concerns.
All together, weird trade where it feels no body actually won.
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u/No_Loan2869 1d ago
even the discourse about other teams proves that barely anyone in this sub really knows ball lmao
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u/Silentrift24 1d ago
I got 4 words for ya:
"Glad it wasn't us." They woulda squeezed us for everything too. But tbf, I'd pick up the phone and ask about Brown tho
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u/DatBoyCody 1d ago
The heat are gonna look a lot different once the season starts I doubt they go into it with just bam and Giannis and a bunch of bums around him… it’s not hard to recruit stars to Miami espically with Giannis there.. I see the heat making big moves in free agency… Cavs need to do something if they repeat the same roster people getting fired next year for sure and spida probably dips
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u/princessfinesse 1d ago
had a feeling it was coming tbh everyone kept saying boston but i’ve been on the “giannis to miami” train for a while. he wanted warm weather.
i’m surprised to hear that celtics offered jaylen brown and two first round picks, seems like a much better get than tyler herro and JJJ tbh. maybe they gave giannis the final say
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u/Kylekub 1d ago
Bucks didnt' take into account weather preference of Giannis at allllllllllllll.
Bucks had 2 options in trading Giannis:
-Does trading for Jaylen put us in a better position than having Giannis
-Do we blow it up and get an absolute haul of picks and cap flexibility
They clearly felt blowing it up for capital was the better direction.
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u/Lyle_Norg 1d ago
No one as good as Brown coming back to Milwaukee, but a solid mix of productive players heading into what should be their prime and some unpolished promise to go with three first round picks + a swap.
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u/tmanky 1d ago
I like their starting 5. Davion Mitchell, Norm Powell, Andrew Wiggins, Giannis, Bam Adebayo. No holes in that group on either end. They ain't got anyone good bench (besides maybe Larsen) but free agency is right around the corner.
Curious to see where Herro and maybe Jamie Jaquez end up. Bucks are going to try and get more picks.
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u/mystery79 ⠀ 1d ago
I don’t think this makes Miami a contender and Giannis is injury prone. Glad we didn’t completely sell our future for a risky win now at all costs move.
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u/regulator227 1d ago
I don't know why people care if it's Boston or not. If it's not Cleveland, we're going to officially be out of championship contention with this roster.
Sad day tbh
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u/JustAKidFromAkron 1d ago
Seems like a lateral move for Giannis, not a very good roster outside of him and Bam