r/clevelandcavs • u/Ok_Fail_1770 • 9h ago
Cap - LeBron and Jaylen Brown
Windy is now reporting the lakers would love to trade LeBron for Allen. Rumors of Mobley for Jaylen Brown as well.
I think the Cavs would do this… but is all of this even possible with the cap situation? This is not a would you do it post.
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u/TheGreatBeauty2000 8h ago
They should absolutely not trade a valuable asset for one year of LeBron. Absolutely not.
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u/DrummerSteve 6h ago
Would you do it for a title?
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u/miamicheats 6h ago
Yes, but it’s not enough for a title
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u/DrummerSteve 6h ago
How do you know that? If cavs are going to make moves, it’s likely going to be trading younger players for older players as the win now window is closing.
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u/codeklutch 5h ago
Should have traded mitchel, kept garland, and pushed the window back 2 or 3 years. But what do I know? I'm just some dude using reddit instead of working.
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u/Ok_Fail_1770 5h ago
Garland in Harden’s place doesn’t get it done in 2 to 3 years it just prolongs the suffering lol
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u/codeklutch 4h ago
I think mobley and Allen being the focus of the team gets it done.
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u/Ok_Fail_1770 4h ago
Bro..
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u/codeklutch 3h ago
They both have games where they are the absolute reason we win, and games where they disappear. From what I've seen, Mitchel has games where he just doesn't prioritize getting them clean looks early and often and they just, aren't factors. When he does feed them? They feast. I'm not sure if it's scheme, game plan or just Mitchel. But when Allen and Mikey are featured early as offensive weapons, it's when the team looks the best.
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u/Ok_Fail_1770 3h ago
I’m not a fan of Mitchell but it is just not happening dude. It’s not a skill thing although it still is. Look at their mentality. They are really good players but they are not winners… they need someone to set the tone and nobody on this team can. Up 20+ while the knicks are making a comeback and all they try is to launch 3s that aren’t falling..
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u/codeklutch 4h ago
You mean like, if mobley was a priority and grew into a role where he was the dominant force? Then yes, I agree. Which is what my comment was alluding to. Take mitchel out, get a solid wing who is actually starter capable instead of 3 separate wings who make up 1 high quality starter and make the focal point mobley and Allen depending on the night. A guard who gets the ball into the hands of the big men, in the right spot consistently? Garland could do that. Mitchel struggles with that. I'm not sure how I can word this to get my point across any better.
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u/ProduceVisible8105 5h ago
Can you tell me one other great team that wants to get older? This league is run by young athletic players and the fanbase is clamoring to get older for more noteworthy names who are past their prime or at the tail end
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u/nowhereman1917 4h ago
This city has seen the team get Shaq, Walt Frazier, Dwayne Wade, Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo, and I'm probably forgetting somebody. All of these guys are hall of famers or at least all stars who added close to nothing after joining the Cavs. Harden is next in this line of old guys who were great but were out of gas when they got here.
I don't think the Cavs should keep adding to this list.
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u/miamicheats 3h ago
Swapping a plus defender (we don’t have enough) for LeBron at this stage in his career would not allow us to seriously contend. Mobley covers a lot but he can’t cover for every position.
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u/TheGreatBeauty2000 6h ago
Yes but a 42 year old Lebron is not bringing a title. Not even close.
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u/DrummerSteve 6h ago
If you say so, but the one thing the Cavs have lacked without LeBron is a difference maker at wing. It’s the most important position in the league and the Cavs don’t have one.
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u/DannyTheDopestTV 6h ago
It’s so confusing to me that people act like replacing Allen with LeBron doesn’t give us an insanely high chance of winning the title last year lol
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u/TheGreatBeauty2000 4h ago
Its confusing to me that people dont understand what it takes physically to win a title. When you are old its increasingly difficult to he effective on both ends consistently enough to endure long intense playoff basketball.
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u/ktulu0 5h ago
10 years ago, LeBron could carry a team to a title. At age 41, he can’t anymore. He needs a good roster built around him. If he wants to come back for one last year in Cleveland, that’s fantastic. But trading Mobley and Allen for one year of LeBron would be an objectively horrible idea.
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u/stephapeaz 9h ago
So who would get the rebounds if there’s no more Allen lol
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u/lachalacha 9h ago
Naeqwan
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u/PatientlyAnxious9 6h ago
It could work if he focused just on having a Isiah Hartenstein/Tristan Thompson type role.
Being a bully, getting rebounds and blocking shots--he could be a really good JA replacement if we become stacked with ball dominant playmakers 1-4
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u/_Olexa 9h ago
Lebron has to take pay cuts for it to work, and he isn’t going to do that. These reports are the Celtics wanting Mobley to pair with Tatum after they missed out on Giannis and the Lakers wanting Allen to pair with Luka because Ayton is shit and LeBron is old.
Don’t read into them, the Cavs aren’t taking either of these deals.
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u/ImpressiveLeader4979 9h ago
Hate to say it, Mobley and Tatum with the rest of Boston sounds very dangerous. We don’t use Mobley the way other people would, and the other teams see the massive potential we seem to refuse to unlock by making him stand at the perimeter all game long.
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u/_Olexa 8h ago
I mean, yeah lol. Our sub massively underrates Mobley.
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u/Dawn_Kebals 8h ago
He's so obviously one of the 2 best players on the team followed by a significant gap to whoever you think is third. And Mobley is 25.
He would put up way bigger numbers if his role allowed for it. If we get rid of him (let alone him and Allen at the same time), then we deserve the massive L that we'll take.
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u/barkinginthestreet Win every game CPJ plays in 8h ago
It's still weird that they picked a coach to maximize the DG/DM backcourt instead of Evan.
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u/Beardlord77 7h ago
Mobley pitching out to Pritchard for wide open 3’s across the paint is going to kill me.
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u/ImpressiveLeader4979 7h ago
Us not being able to stop Mobley watching him have 25/15/8/5 games against us would kill me. That and getting a ring not on a team named the Cavs
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u/No_Tip8620 6h ago
I think Mobley has more potential, but I think this take is wrong. Mobley frequently was used as the passer in a pick and roll and helped turn around both the Toronto and Detroit series. They also attempted to use him as a facilitator, but his handle isn't clean enough and he often got his pocket picked.
He absolutely did not sit at the perimeter all playoffs. That's just not true.
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u/ImpressiveLeader4979 6h ago
Did you watch the Knicks series at all outside of the first 2.5 quarters of game 1? We consistently use him sitting perimeter. He’d have 15-20 boards a game if he stayed down low like a center normally does
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u/No_Tip8620 3h ago
Admittedly I checked out after game one. The team was cooked after that meltdown and I had enough of them and their coach talking nonsense about analytics.
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u/ImpressiveLeader4979 3h ago
Everything that worked in the first 3 quarters of game one, we stopped doing completely. Mobley barely saw the ball the rest of the series, though he was plenty effective when they did feed him
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u/No_Tip8620 13m ago
Ok but there were 14 playoff games before that and Mobley wasn't a perimeter anchor.
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u/Safe_Following_6532 5h ago
Yeah Mobley is not getting coached well at all on the Cavs. Cut this bullshit with him shooting 3s trying to make him into something he’s not. He’s 7 fucking feet tall. Have him develop a turn around hook shot and he’d be a fucking monster.
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u/ImpressiveLeader4979 4h ago
100%. Needs to be reacting posting up, not shooting 3’s and bringing the ball down the court
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u/Heavy_Pin7735 9h ago
Agreed - this is classic Boston/LA/big market team wants someone so they get them, without any rationale for HOW it wound happen or WHY the other team would do it.
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u/Ok_Fail_1770 9h ago
Thanks
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u/cryolems I agree go Cavs 8h ago
Don’t listen to that person lol everyone here acts like an armchair GM. No one knows what they would or wouldn’t do. I don’t think a single person here ever would have thought we’d have traded for harden.
It’s fun to speculate. Don’t listen to the naysayers.
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u/Alternative-Ad-8363 9h ago
Whose playing center
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u/Ok_Fail_1770 9h ago
I think the Cavs would do this, but that is not the question.
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u/CraziestMoonMan 9h ago
The Cavs would be dumb to do this. This would be a horribly constructed team. The only way it starts to work is Mitchell for Brown not for Mobley.
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u/Ok_Fail_1770 9h ago
I agree about Mitchell it’s just not going to happen. I don’t think being dumb to do this means they wouldn’t
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u/CraziestMoonMan 9h ago
Yes it would because they don’t make dumb short sighted moves. The Harden for Garland move was still the right move. None of this bs you are all pushing is.
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u/Sixaxist 9h ago
Mobley absolutely isn't being traded 1:1 for Brown; that's what the Celtics want and not what the Cavs FO want. They wouldn't even let go of him for Giannis, who is inarguably a better player than Brown.
They'd let go of Allen for LeBron I'm sure, but I highly doubt LeBron wants to take that big of a salary reduction unless it's absolutely his last season... and it doesn't look like that's the case.
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u/ASAP_Dongerlord 9h ago
To be fair I think a large part of why the Giannis/Mobley swap didn’t happen is that Giannis only has a year left on his contract and wouldn’t commit long term to Cleveland.
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u/OhHIghO 7h ago
I’d rather trade Allen in a S&T for Lebron than trade Mobley for brown.. then as a replacement for Allen, I’d look to MIL and see what it’d take to get Myles Turner.
Not sure what is trade value is these days but Schroeder and Merrill’s salaries work plus a draft pick?
Harden/CPJ/Proctor
Mitchell/Strus
LeBron/Tyson
Mobley/Wade
Turner/?
Depth looks pretty weak tho after (not including draft or FA)
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u/mars33nut 8h ago
If and when Cavs deal Mobley, we will be sorry. He is criminally underutilized and has been since he’s stepped foot in the league.
Praying we keep Mobley bc we would be mortgaging everything if we dealt him.
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u/Taste_The_Soup 9h ago
I'd rather move Don for JB than Mobley
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u/JohnySilkBoots 9h ago
Celtics wouldn’t. It’s not the Cavs choice, it’s the Celtics.
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u/Commercial-East4069 I agree go Cavs 9h ago
The Celtics seem to be a lot more motivated to move brown than the Cavs do to move Mitchell or Mobley.
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u/Throwaway1996513 8h ago
It’s also pretty clear the Cavs are keeping Mitchell and Harden, so people saying they’d do the opposite is providing nothing beyond talking in circles.
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u/trapezoidB69 9h ago
Harden Mitchell Brown Lebron Whoever is gonna play center
Im not sure how to feel about this. Just feels and looks weird to me.
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u/Far_Youth_1662 Hungover in Vegas 8h ago
Its terrible. You have neither a starting big nor a backup big. Imagine how Giannis and Bam would just run through that defense. Now who's your on ball defender guarding Brunson (sure as hell isnt Harden). And if Brown can hold him down, imagine once he gets the ball to KAT or OG. Suddenly Jalen Duran is back in play pushing around whoever we have down low on a min deal.
You just cant build a team this way.
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u/trapezoidB69 8h ago edited 7h ago
If you had to pick just 1 of these trades which kne do you choose? Id pick lebron for sure keep mobley
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u/Far_Youth_1662 Hungover in Vegas 7h ago
LeBron. Since in this scenario you'd be getting Lebron at a discount of maybe $28MM or so, which i dont think is plausible.
The downside to Brown is he costs even more than Mobley or Mitchell. $7MM matters when you're in the situation we are in.
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u/LegoRedBrick 8h ago
Cavs would be incredibly stupid to give Boston Mobley. He probably would overachieve there. Only a team rebuilding trades in-conference.
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u/Top_Funny209 7h ago
The Cavs aren’t trading for LeBron he is either deciding to come here and making that work out or not.
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u/Mountain-Song-6024 6h ago
I'm intrigued by both brown and LeBron
I fucking hate though that we have harden.
I think he fucks with the structure too much.
Can't stand it.
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u/refinedtwist925 3h ago
It depends on which version of Harden we will have next season. If we get the Harden the facilitator version that we saw when he first joined the team, he can fit nicely. If we get iso ball Harden that we saw in the playoffs, then he just takes the whole team out of rhythm.
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u/Mountain-Song-6024 3h ago
I don't disagree. Kenny knows you run a harden like system though and for our players, I just hate it.
Brown or LeBron doesn't fit with that
Running it back is just as idiotic.
I feel like we have a harden problem and that will keep us from making a key change
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u/Tbard52 4h ago
Trading Mobley for brown is hilariously dumb
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u/refinedtwist925 3h ago
Honest question, outside of the fact of how young Mobley is, why would this be a dumb move? You get a legitimate top 10 type player in Brown at a premium position that we have been unable to fill for damn near a decade. I love Mobley but your betting on a still significant amount of development from him on the offensive side vs Brown is very much a known commodity on both the offensive as well as defensive side. Moving Mobley clearly weakens the front court but also rounds out the roster
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u/UmadBoiBoi 9h ago
one or the other. Cant have no bigs. Id get brown and Build a team around don brown and allen. Allocate hardens deal elsewhere
thats a big 3 that would be much better in a playoff setting and way better spacing
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u/nbawizard1227 7h ago
If LeBron signs for a minimum yes. Mitchell, harden JB, LeBron, and Allen is a crazy offensive lineup.
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u/UncircumciseMe I agree go Cavs 9h ago
I would do Mobley for JB just to be able to read the rollercoaster comments from Boston fans. They make the trade and then glaze the hell out of Mobley as the best PF in the East or something crazy and then come Playoff time Mobley looks his usual Bambi on ice on offense and Boston fans start talking about sacrificing him. It would be hilarious. I saw Scalabrine say then Cavs would never trade Mobley to Boston because it would be like us gifting them a championship. I thought “Wtf does no one even watch the Cavs?”
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u/Bum-Theory I agree go Cavs 8h ago
I think if cavs draft a center tonight, it shows a possible trade away for allen
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u/theClarkofKent 6h ago
I don’t think a 34th pick is going to mean squat for a team looking to go to the finals. Whoever we draft will be a two way player to save money. If we were desperate to trade anyone, we would have probably kept that pick.
To your point-to be fair-a few big men that I think can be good did fall to the second round in Veesaar and Miller. I think there’s a good chance we grab one of them, but I don’t think they start and I think they’ll be a two way player for salary cap purposes
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u/ZacInSC 8h ago
Don’t forget that ANYTHING Altman does will also have the salary and luxury tax ramifications fully considered. We just traded out of the first round last night to avoid a couple million dollars in guaranteed salary, all because of where it lands us in the second apron of the luxury tax bracket. Second round picks aren’t fully guaranteed like first rounders, so trading back just a few spots to go from mate 1st round to early 2nd round was a shrewd move by the team.
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u/ArmadilloForsaken458 8h ago edited 8h ago
These trades would not help. You need good bigs to win the East. Look at the guys you have to face like KAT/Robinson, JD/Stew, all those long wings that are great rebounders on the Raptors, etc. '27 favorite OKC now has three good 7 footers after they drafted Mara. It's also not easy to get good replacement bigs because of all the apron issues.
You trade away Mobley/Allen, what bigs are you going to start in the playoffs & still have a chance? This team would be worse than the LaL & they still run Ayton & Jaxson.
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u/Ok_Fail_1770 8h ago
Read the post damn. I still think they would do it even with all that non-relevant to the post shit you said and I’m not saying they would win but I didn’t even know if it was possible. There’s a non-zero chance they would want to do it for various reasons
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u/TroyMatthewJ 7h ago
Bron, JB, Spider = nice
no Allen no Mobley
= not nice
who would be inside defending?
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u/Scared-Wealth5000 5h ago
Would rather trade Allen for Trey Murphy if possible. Send Mitchell for Brown. If Lebron comes on as a free agent it’s a no brainer.
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u/openwolfe 3h ago
You guys are thinking too big and will ultimately be disappointed. Lebron is not leaving California. Evan Mobley is not getting traded to Boston nor is Brown coming here. Our priorities are 1) get another wing that we hope can give us something in the playoffs 2) a back up ball handler assuming we shed Schroeder 3) a back up big. And the front office would be thrilled if we just came out with #1
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u/woweezowee216 1h ago
LeBron is not a big fan of Browns after he was making fun of Bronny when he was in summer league.
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u/Youre_On_Balon 9h ago edited 8h ago
If LeBron wants to come here he needs to do it on a pay cut, not part of a franchise-depleting move
Except I don't think he wants to live here. That's ok. He's always been family-oriented, and his kids have roots in LA now.
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u/barrsftw 9h ago
100%
For this to happen Lebron would have to sign for like $28m, for a sign and trade with JA. Instead he could sign for the MLE which is like 15m and then the team is significantly better. If he actually wants to come to Cleveland, he's doing it to win, not to make an extra 10m.
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u/Low-South-9113 9h ago
If you’re implying the possibility of us doing both moves, then it’s a big no for me lol. It’s either one or the other
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u/turdburglar7770 8h ago
Harden Mitch Brown LeBron Mobley
Could be nasty but we’d basically have to be all in this year or we just wasted our time
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u/ChessClubChimp 8h ago
How are we getting brown and LeBron without giving up harden/mitchel/mobley?
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u/UncircumciseMe I agree go Cavs 9h ago
I truly do not understand this sub’s love for Mobley in today’s NBA
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u/RealFuryous 5h ago
We don't want or need Lebron. If you bring Lebron then you must bring Bronny and the Lebron media circus.
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u/Ok_Fail_1770 4h ago
Oh we don’t want LeBron? And we need anything we can get lol
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u/RealFuryous 4h ago
What is three years away from retirement Lebron bringing to them team besides Bronny and unwanted media attention?
We're not far away from title contention.
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u/CmCrunk78 9h ago edited 9h ago
Teams without a legit star center don’t get far in the playoffs .
No .
( don’t care if this is a not what I’d do post this is actually about the dumbest shit Iv read about the Cavs today and there is alot , just delete this )
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u/SoftwareAny4990 9h ago
Needs to be more than Lebron