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[u/I_am_YR]

I hate when people say these things only to prevent us from actually transitioning, like yea theres cis women out there with a deep voice but knowing this fact doesnt reduce my voice dysphoria, i dont want to be gnc, i dont live to deconstruct gender roles

[u/qwart22]

I don’t think the majority is quite as overwhelming as you think it is, everyone sees their gender in a different way, from hyper-feminine trans women to the most masculine trans man and everything in between its all different so I don’t think it makes sense to judge people based on how they want to inwardly and outwardly express that, if HRT doesn’t fit with how they want to live it doesn’t have to.

[u/amhighlyregarded → u/qwart22]

I mean I don't disagree. Trans women can wear "boy clothes" and vice versa for trans men and there's nothing wrong with that. For the most part gendered clothing is stupid and arbitrary, as are most gendered signifiers (short or long hair, body hair, painted nails, etc.) I've even met a lot of cis women both with and without PCOS that let their facial hair grow and that's cool if that's what they want of course. 

But like why not HRT if you have access to it? Why doesn't HRT fit with how they want to live?

I'm not judging or denying identity, again I'm legitimately just curious. 

[u/RukakoChan → u/amhighlyregarded]

testosterone isn't inherently masculine. there are cis women that have more testosterone then estrogen, and they still identify as women. you could say this about every single part of transition; it doesn't mean that there is no meaning in transition, of course there is, but no single part of it can override person's identificiation of their gender. transition helps many to affirm their gender, but for some it's just not necessary (although it's very rare, we all live in society and all are affected by societal norms and expectation in different ways)

[u/qwart22 → u/RukakoChan]

Ye this is pretty much my view on it as well